Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?

I think a lot of people's questions can be answered by simply doing the PROPER research and not just ANY research. There is a difference.

Perhaps the OP would be able to draw a much more well founded theory were he /she to be versed better in the history of nuclear weapons development and world history surrounding nuclear weapons.

There is a lot of information there and I think that should be the perfect place to start were one to ask the question "do they really exist?"

We're trying to discuss the why here, not the how or the what, that is pretty clear. Simply the why.

Shattered OUT...

Originally posted by ShatteredSkies
I think a lot of people's questions can be answered by simply doing the PROPER research and not just ANY research. There is a difference.

Perhaps the OP would be able to draw a much more well founded theory were he /she to be versed better in the history of nuclear weapons development and world history surrounding nuclear weapons.

There is a lot of information there and I think that should be the perfect place to start were one to ask the question "do they really exist?"

We're trying to discuss the why here, not the how or the what, that is pretty clear. Simply the why.

Shattered OUT...

Sha-Dooby Shattered Shattered...sorry man, I love the name. I sing that every time. Thanks

I want to try a different avenue here.

How would you prove a nuclear weapon to Helen Keller? Even if she understood what you were conveying, how would she know it was real?
Remember she is Deaf, Blind, and Mute. 3 senses are void, you got taste and touch(feeling). How do you prove it?

Peace

Ok I will tell you truthfully that no I am not aware that any of my coworkers have seen one detonate.

I just find it amazing that if they dont' exist, the unbelievable amount of deception existing. They would have had to dug huge holes all over Earth where they had detonated them, kill a cople hundred thousand Japanese in one sweeping motion, and bought off several thousand witnesses and scientists.

-Kyo

Kyo said:

"Ok I will tell you truthfully that no I am not aware that any of my coworkers have seen one detonate.

I just find it amazing that if they dont' exist, the unbelievable amount of deception existing. They would have had to dug huge holes all over Earth where they had detonated them, kill a cople hundred thousand Japanese in one sweeping motion, and bought off several thousand witnesses and scientists."

Kyo that's precisely why this topic is painful and mind-boggling. But just think about NASA and the possibility that there are scores of people aware that we didn't go to the moon. But NASA does plenty of good real things too - just look at their website.

Everybody check out this explanation (will span two posts) I was emailed this morning re:NUKE LIES:

"Jesse:

I was told about you and your "Nuke Lies" youtube video by my next-
door neighbor (we live in the same apartment building) and good friend,
who sometimes posts under the username "Halliburton Crusher" on
the "Conspiracy Central" Internet forum.
I sincerely do not want to offend you, or come across as hostile
in any way, but I do disagree with your idea that thermonuclear weapons
might be a hoax perpetrated by the "Powers That Be" to further their
agenda of global dominance. I simply don't want you to embarrass
yourself by promoting an idea that you will eventually find out to be
a 'false theory' based on your unfamiliarity with this particular
topic. That's my motivation in telling you this, my friend.
I have in my possession a couple of DVDs which are compilations of
films made by the US military and the Atomic Energy Commission that
document the various nuclear weapons tests from the late 1940s to the
1960s. The DVDs are full of information about how the nuclear testing
was done, and lots of footage of preparations for the tests, the
explosions, and their results. One video includes a very elaborate
explanation of the physics of a nuclear detonation.
Every question that you raise in your "Nuke Lies" video is
answered in the videos that I am referring to. For example:
Other than the little desert Joshua trees, there are no trees that
grow naturally at the Nevada Test Site. The full-grown trees shown in
the nuclear test films were uprooted and trucked from forests located
at least a hundred miles away. At the Nevada Test Site, the big trees
were replanted in a grid pattern. The purpose was to test the reaction
of rows of trees during a nuclear blast wave, to see if rows of trees
might be useful in protecting military bases from such blasts.
For each nuclear test, hundreds of cameras were positioned at
various places to record the results. Most of the cameras were placed
in vibration-resistant housings that were carefully designed to hold
the camera steady during the blast. The military and the scientists
wanted video footage that would provide steady, vibration-free images.
The preparations of the camera housings, the towers they were mounted
on, and other details are presented in the DVDs that I have.
The films show trees, houses, and vehicles being hit first by the
heat wave from the nuclear blast, which burns the surface of the
objects, creating smoke. Next comes the blast wave, which is followed
by an implosion wave coming from the opposite direction, and then a
second blast wave. This sequence of blast waves, including the
implosion wave coming from the opposite direction, are well-known
attributes of nuclear blasts, the physics of which have been thoroughly
studied.
The reason that the initial nuclear blast looks like the sun is
because the sun itself is a nuclear furnace, and a nuclear blast forms
a circular 'bubble' of intense heat. Within that bubble of intense
heat, matter is reduced to an ionized 'plasma', which is what causes
the 'composite' appearance which you identify in "Nuke Lies."
That 'composite' appearance at the heart of the nuclear blast is
characteristic of nuclear blasts.

Part II:

"The nuclear blast videos were made to record the effects of the
blasts, so most of them are of very brief duration. When provided to
the public for 'educational' or propaganda purposes, lots of little
snippets of film were joined together to 'tell a story' in a way that
suited the presenters, who were initially the US military, Atomic
Energy Commission, and the news media. The sequence in which the
various snippets of film are presented is a reflection of the intent of
whoever is 'telling the story' within a particular film.
A few other things to consider:
Many thousands of people survived the Hiroshima and Nagasaki
bombings, and their descriptions of those bombings are consistant with
nuclear detonations, not with conventional bombs or incendiaries. Also,
many thousands of the survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki suffered the
results of radiation sickness for months and years afterward.
The USA conducted about 1200 nuclear bomb tests, mostly in Nevada
and the Pacific Ocean. Many thousands of US military personnel,
scientists, and media observers witnessed these tests. Could they all
be lying?
Whole companies of US Army troops were required to dig shallow
trenches within a mile or two of some of the nuclear test blasts. In
some cases, after the blast they were required to march into 'ground
zero'. In later years, Army veterans who had participated in those
tests formed groups that demanded compensation from the US government
for radiation-caused illnesses. Do you suppose that the 'atomic
veterans' were just part of a 'cover-up'?
Suppose that the USA faked the nuclear blasts at Hiroshima,
Nagasaki, and hundreds of test sites. Were the Russians also lying
about having nuclear weapons, making the arms race of the Cold War an
elaborate scam created by both sides? What about the French, Chinese,
Indian, Pakistani, and Israeli nuclear tests -- were all of them fake?
What about nuclear power plants? The accident at Chernobyl rapidly
produced intense heat and radiation that killed thousands of people,
rendered a large area of Ukraine and Belarus uninhabitable, and caused
thousands of cases of leukemia. If nuclear power plants can be that
volotile, why couldn't that volotility be made into a powerful nuclear
bomb?
Here are links to the DVDs I have about nuclear weapons. You might
also be able to view them online; that I don't know.

"Hollywood's Top Secret Film Studio"

www.amazon.com...
Studio/dp/B0000A02WS/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1230962468&sr=8-1

"America's Atomic Bomb Tests - The Collection"

www.amazon.com...
Collection/dp/B0009HLCLK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1230962844&sr=1-1

An interesting eyewitness account of the Nagasaki bombing by a
survivor:

"Barefoot Gen"

www.amazon.com...
Miyazaki/dp/6305339724/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1230963082&sr=1-2

On another topic -- are you related to the late British author
Evelyn Waugh? Just curious.
You might be interested in reading my essay "The Godfather USA."
Link:

www.oregontruthalliance.org...

Cheers, Gregory"

Originally posted by KyoZero
Ok I will tell you truthfully that no I am not aware that any of my coworkers have seen one detonate.

I just find it amazing that if they dont' exist, the unbelievable amount of deception existing. They would have had to dug huge holes all over Earth where they had detonated them, kill a cople hundred thousand Japanese in one sweeping motion, and bought off several thousand witnesses and scientists.

-Kyo

First, thank you for your honesty, I know that could put you in a bad position regarding this topic. Please know, that you admitting that, doesn't make anyone perpetuating the question of "do they exist" right over you, at least in my eyes. It humbles me that you would be honest and not say that someone had seen it just to prove something. You are willing to be truthful and have gained my respect wither they exist or not...thank you.

This is kinda long, but bear with me as it might not seem to fit at first.

Kyo, in 1997 I went with my father ,who is a vet, back to Vietnam. We traveled from Ho Chi Min City (Saigon) to Hue (DMZ) by bus over the course of two weeks. We went into the fields where he fought, even found the place where his best friend was shot, so that he(my dad) could put an end to holding on to that pain. He was shot on point right in front of my father who had been taken off point. It was supposed to be my dad. I've watched him struggle with that all my life...it was a super big event and closure...we cried on that trail together and my dad let it go after 30 plus years. He stopped blaming himself and thinking it should of been him. It was like watching my dad be born, and changed me in ways I still don't understand.

First, I had only the stories of my father to picture Vietnam with and the people. We went at the same time of year my father went... in MAY...the Hottest time of year. My dad made sure that we went in the same time of year because he wanted me to experience the same heat he felt. We landed in Saigon on a tarmac still using the U.S. Army Hangers.

Before I stepped out of the plane, I had set in my mind to try and imagine what was going through my 17 year old fathers head the first time he had to step out of the doors of a plane into a strange world where he had already lost friends, when he was at home. The second the humid heat hit me (i'm not to good in humidity, I sweat really heavy...it sucks), I almost broke down and I was drenched after about a minute of being off the plane.

It was so Hot and Humid, your clothes were soaked immediately. I've never experienced anything like that in my life. It was miserable. By the time we got to the cab, I was in tears thinking of the fear that must of been running through my dad's head along with feeling like I would die if I had to be in that heat another second. I had heard his stories so many times, but the real experience of the heat was different then anything I had heard from him ever, because at that moment, the heat became real to me. The uncomfortably became real. It was no longer an explanation, it was an experience. I had heard of it more times then I wish to think of but it wasn't real to me till that moment.

So, now the heat is real. Changed the picture a little for me in understanding what he went through, but that was just the first thing. I got to crawl the Chu Chi Tunnels, see the Citidel where tet was held and that monk who burned himself live. I went to Que Shan where 300 marines were stranded fighting of a division of NVA for months where live grenades and rounds were still on the ground. I got to meet these people, the most beautiful people in the world who have NOTHING, but would give you anything they had. I thought these people were "charlie" the "VC", the "NVA" not to mention a string of bad names. The average Vietnamese soldier was between 10 to 15 years old. You know how many Vietnamese were killed in the Vietnam war? Our wall of 50+ thousand, wouldn't even put a dent in the amount of people they lost, mostly being just children. The previous war with the French, that we took over, killed most of the men. You should see just one of their many walls of names. You'd get sick to your stomach. One memorial we stopped at had over 200,000 names on it...ONE memorial.

Here is an estimate of total loses of the American Phase of the Indonesian Conflict (Vietnam).
Vietnam War (1965-73): 1 700 000 Vietnamese Killed in the American Phase, but well over 3,000,000 in totality with the French occupation followed by American Occupation.

The reason I say all of this, is one, the experience changed my life making a subject I had only "visualized" become a reality or the closest thing to it (i didn't have guns firing at me), but second is this.

The bomb craters left all over the countryside from the B-52's using conventional weapons were big enough to drive trucks into, on average of about 12 to 20 feet deep with a diameter of about 30 feet. I had no idea, having never seen a bomb crater, that a conventional weapon was capable of this kind of crater. I remember thinking, "man I would hate to see what a nuke could do".

All that said, would they have to run around dropping nukes to get giant craters?

Would they have to buy off thousands of witnesses from over 3 Generations of people past, most being dead due to old age?

Would they need to tell the soldiers who had the test performed in proximity of them while being told to turn away and cover their eyes what had actually exploded in the air?

Would anyone question them especially soldiers under their command?

Would large amounts of nuclear material (I don't know the amount supposed to be in them) be necessary to place in a bomb casing for a Geiger counter to detect it, or would it still detect just trace amounts so that one might see "it is nuclear"?

Think of the fear "Nuclear Bomb" brings on average people. If it was a secret that the "bomb" didn't exist and that got found/figured out by the general public, let alone another country, do you think it would be a matter of "national security"?

If it was true that the "bomb" wasn't a reality,would they need to keep it a secret seeing our position on the Global Stage?

I've never seen a Geiger counter, other then in movies. How do they work? Do they tell you "how much" nuclear material is present or only the radiation being put off and does that give an idea of the amount of nuclear material or just it's potency?

Thanks for your patience and answers.

Always, peace

I think for someone like yourself who obviously finds it hard to have faith in fellow humans, you must ask yourself, what are the odds? Consider the amount of people that might share your question verses the amount of people that do not. Consider the likelihood that out of all those people, you hold the correct answer. Consider the likelihood that somewhere in the world, there exists a definitive means of convincing you they exist... and then consider the likelihood that someone in your particular situation would have the chance of finding that means.

The nature of the subject in question is such that you may never find a definitive answer, for or against. But odds are -- they do exist. If the odds don't satisfy you, learn to have more faith in your fellow humans -- or -- try and defy the odds by finding that means of definitive proof. But just know that your not going to find the answer here, and I think deep down you know that.

[edit on 3/1/09 by Navieko]

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand

Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by jfj123

 

I'm not being rude, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from. I'm also stating my opinion

You attack and accuse us without any evidence, what do you expect?

What are you expecting from this thread ? Seriously? Are you just here to cause problems? Because that's how it seems !

Finally some truth from this man. He has stated his OPINION.

Here's another attack. You just said that up to this point, I've been lying.

Show me the attacks and the accusations.

See above.

How could I be looking to start trouble in a thread I support? I side with the op, you don't, I don't feel that makes you uneducated, just not willing to accept reality....

Now you're calling me delusional. Here's another attack.

you've never seen a nuclear weapon used...(first hand).

So you are saying that the only way to prove anything is to witness it first hand.
So since you cannot see electricity, are you saying it doesn't exist?
Are you saying since you can't see radiation, it doesn't exist?
Are you saying since you can't see atoms, they don't exist?

This means, you're also saying that every criminal without a direct eyewitness to the crime, should be released. Does this also sound reasonable? Remember photos and video don't count according to you !

[edit on 3-1-2009 by jfj123]

Ok so you wanted me to scrutinize the video?
Fine, here we go !

First, the narrator claims that during the mid 20th century, television prodcast images of atomic tests and NOW we FINALLY have the technology to rewind a video tape or re-scan through a video on their computer whereas they, in the mid 20th century, did not.

Well, is that true? Let's see, shall we?

Ampex introduced the Ampex VRX-1000, the first commercially successful videotape recorder, in 1956.
The Sony model CV-2000, first marketed in 1965, was intended for home use.
It was not until the late 1970s, when European and Japanese companies developed more technically advanced machines with more accurate electronic timers and greater tape duration, that the VCR started to become a mass market consumer product.

Now my parents had a VCR when I was 9 which put it in 1978.

The home market for VCR's started in 1965 and the average middle class person could afford them by the mid 70's.

So let's take 1978 as an example, that means we've had 30 years of rewinding and pausing and frame by framing and nobody until NOW has come up with this info?

Now let's look at computers. I'll make this part even more basic.
Since someone on this thread requires us to eyewitness everything, I personally owned an ACER 75 MHz pc in 1994 which could very easily play video clips. As a matter of fact, that was one of it's big selling points. I specifically remember the ACER OOBE. The Acer Out Of Box Experience. You plugged in a few wires and a video comes on the screen and tells you all the cools things you can do with the computer. So the average middle class person had computer video capabililties since no later then 1994 which gives us at least 14 years to digitally enhance and review videos. And in all that time, nobody but the narrator has figured it out?

Then the narrator complains about the trees. How the line of trees look TOO STRAIGHT so they must be fake. Did he ever consider maybe that just how they were planted?
Here's an example of tree farms.
www.gly.uga.edu...
photo.net...
oregonwild.blogspot.com...

So the narrator incorrectly makes the assumption that the trees must be fake because they're in a straight line. He never thought that maybe they were simply planted that way. Did he even look into it? If he did, what did he find because he didn't put that info in the video now did he ? Wouldn't a decent, responsible investigation look into those basic things?

TO BE CONTINUED

Now the narrator gets even more absurd by trying to GUESS what the nuclear explosion really is. He offers no evidence to his OPINION, just wild GUESSES.

At this point, he thinks all these nuclear explosions are...
get this....
THE SUN !
Again, what evidence does he have to support his conclusion?
NONE !
Because he thinks it looks like the sun, it must be the sun? Nice scientific conclusion ! Well I've seen clouds that look like bunnies so those clouds must really be giant bunnies Same logic so if he's right, there are giant sky bunnies flying around

Now he's claiming the military witnesses are really satan worshipers. Surely he's going to provide evidence to support this incredible conclusion?
Again NOPE. Just another baseless OPINION.

Now we're up to Hiroshima
At this point, he's claiming the entire city has been carpet bombed. Well maybe he's going to tell us that he's served in the air force and has seen carpet bombing or has any experience with carpet bombing. Now I would think if he had any knowledge of what carpet bombing looked like, he would put that in the video to help legitimize the video he has worked oh so hard on?
Well no, he mentions nothing, he just moves on

Now he's claiming an explosion is just high volume dynamite. Excellent so now he's going to explain how he knows this right?
Uh once again NO.

At this point we're looking at a massive wind blowing over military vehicles and houses being blown apart. What does the narrator have to say? He suspects it's fake because the massive wind doesn't even shake the camera. Does he know how far away the camera was? Does he know if the camera was in a hardened structure able to withstand such blasts? Does he even look into the possibility? No, instead he now infers that we're looking at a model.

Now we're on to a bus and car that are "being blown up" and once again, he says it's not moving the camera. Again, did he research to see where the camera was located? Was it in a hardened structure?

Now we're on to the part where a rocket is lifting off with 2 people watching from inside a bunker with protective glass. There is a camera shot coming from outside the bunker taking a picture of the 2 men inside the bunker and he's wondering how the camera man outside didn't get toasted by the rocket fuel. Did he check to see if the camera was a remote controlled camera? whether or not the camera was set up and simply turned on? Maybe installed inside a portable shelter so they could get some good shots?
NOPE !

Now this is the best part.
He actually says, after all this mess, "I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything"

Then he continues explaining that next time you hear a politician justifying the invasion of a country because they have weapons of mass destruction, they maybe both lying that the country has WMD or that WMD's exist at all.
So the narrator has decided the nukes are the only WMD's in the world

Ok so what is a WMD?

A weapon of mass destruction (WMD) is a weapon that can kill large numbers of humans and/or cause great damage to man-made structures (e.g. buildings), natural structures (e.g. mountains), or the biosphere in general.

The term is often used to cover several weapon types, including nuclear, biological, chemical (NBC), and radiological weapons.

en.wikipedia.org...

Where did I find this info?
I did a quick search on WIKI that the narrator could have done but apparently didn't have 10 seconds to do even an iota of research for his video.

The narrator presented an opinion based on NOTHING.
He did not list any expertise in any field he spoke about.
He didn't provide ANY evidence to support his opinions.
Really what was the point? Was this a junior high film project?


I don't think the video should be banned but it along with this thread, should be moved over into the highly speculative section of ATS where it belongs.

In conclusion, I would like 7 minutes and 8 seconds of my life back

and I would like to quote a line from Billy Madison:

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand

Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by jfj123

 

I'm not being rude, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from. I'm also stating my opinion

You attack and accuse us without any evidence, what do you expect?

What are you expecting from this thread ? Seriously? Are you just here to cause problems? Because that's how it seems !

Finally some truth from this man. He has stated his OPINION.

Here's another attack. You just said that up to this point, I've been lying.

Show me the attacks and the accusations.

See above.

How could I be looking to start trouble in a thread I support? I side with the op, you don't, I don't feel that makes you uneducated, just not willing to accept reality....

Now you're calling me delusional. Here's another attack.

you've never seen a nuclear weapon used...(first hand).

So you are saying that the only way to prove anything is to witness it first hand.
So since you cannot see electricity, are you saying it doesn't exist?
Are you saying since you can't see radiation, it doesn't exist?
Are you saying since you can't see atoms, they don't exist?

This means, you're also saying that every criminal without a direct eyewitness to the crime, should be released. Does this also sound reasonable? Remember photos and video don't count according to you !

[edit on 3-1-2009 by jfj123]

I said you were telling the truth, but this is an attack in your eyes?
I don't know what to say to that...uh OK? Are you alright? I didn't ruff you up to bad did I? Never knew I had it in me to be such a brute.

Then, why are you calling yourself delusional? Did I miss something?

Electricity can be seen, check.
Radiation can be verified, it's called a sunburn. check.
Atoms don't exist. Check

Atom means "uncuttable" and was founded in philosophy, not science. It was an Idea of the smallest unit that could be broken down no further. It was also used as a time measurement. Science adopted the name as the smallest unit of charges gathered by electromagnetic force consisting of Protons, Electrons, and Neutrons.

Should every prisoner be released that didn't have a witness who saw them commit a crime? Let's think about this by putting the shoe on your foot.

You have just been arrested for murder and will receive Life in prison or the death penalty when tried, only when you go to trial the jury doesn't see what the importance of an actual witness is so, they will just take someone's word who has seen a murder committed on a t.v. show as an expert, but not only that, the jury had it in there mind to convict you before you were even tried. The guy who saw the t.v. murder was all they needed to be convinced of what a horrible criminal you are. (you are not a horrible criminal, just for the scenario)

Does that sound logical to you? Would you like to be convicted with no witnesses and sent to the death chamber or life in prison? You know how many of those people are out there, simply because they had the wrong colored skin and were in the wrong place at the wrong time?

If you had to go, i'd come visit you, i'd even work to get you cleared if I knew you weren't the perp. I don't like injustice for you or for anyone. That's all I'm trying to say here friend.

The public pays for these bombs, you and me. Don't you think we have the right to know "for sure" they are real?

I can't beat my head against yours anymore. Half of this thread is "he said, she said". Please stop. I apologize if I've offended you with anything I said, but this is nothing more then a waist of both of our time and everyone else's.
I humble myself to you. Please accept my truce, No last digs, no hate, just truce...if nukes did ever go off, we are in the same boat...let's make it a peaceful ride.

Sincerely your friend, Ltru

[edit on 3-1-2009 by letthereaderunderstand]

reply to post by jfj123


"Hello Swaaannnn", can we agree on that much?

You had me at Billy Madison.

Peace

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand

I said you were telling the truth, but this is an attack in your eyes?

That's not what you said. Apparently you need to re-read what you wrote so you understand the context of your own post.

Then, why are you calling yourself delusional? Did I miss something?

Again, re-read your own post. You called me delusional.

Electricity can be seen, check.

Let me clarify-Electrons can't be directly seen.

Radiation can be verified, it's called a sunburn. check.

Radiation cannot be directly seen and that is a requirement for you. Remember, since I haven't directly seen a nuclear explosion, I can't prove they exist? So based on your logic, radiation doesn't exist and you therefore cannot get a sunburn from it.

Atoms don't exist. Check

OK this is obviously where you get off the reality wagon. Prove atoms don't exist. Please, I'd love to see the evidence

The atom is a basic unit of matter consisting of a dense, central nucleus surrounded by a cloud of negatively charged electrons. The atomic nucleus contains a mix of positively charged protons and electrically neutral neutrons (except in the case of Hydrogen-1, which is the only stable isotope with no neutron). The electrons of an atom are bound to the nucleus by the electromagnetic force. Likewise, a group of atoms can remain bound to each other, forming a molecule. An atom containing an equal number of protons and electrons is electrically neutral, otherwise it has a positive or negative charge and is an ion. An atom is classified according to the number of protons and neutrons in its nucleus: the number of protons determines the chemical element, and the number of neutrons determine the isotope of the element.

en.wikipedia.org...

Should every prisoner be released that didn't have a witness who saw them commit a crime? Let's think about this by putting the shoe on your foot.

You have just been arrested for murder and will receive Life in prison or the death penalty when tried, only when you go to trial the jury doesn't see what the importance of an actual witness is so, they will just take someone's word who has seen a murder committed on a t.v. show as an expert, but not only that, the jury had it in there mind to convict you before you were even tried. The guy who saw the t.v. murder was all they needed to be convinced of what a horrible criminal you are. (you are not a horrible criminal, just for the scenario)

Does that sound logical to you? Would you like to be convicted with no witnesses and sent to the death chamber or life in prison? You know how many of those people are out there, simply because they had the wrong colored skin and were in the wrong place at the wrong time?

What are you talking about?

I'm saying that,
would you release any criminal
who was convicted without and eye witness to their crime?
There could be tons of evidence to support their guilt including maybe a non-coerced confession.

The public pays for these bombs, you and me. Don't you think we have the right to know "for sure" they are real?

Everyone with a grasp on reality knows they're real

I can't beat my head against yours anymore. Half of this thread is "he said, she said". Please stop. I apologize if I've offended you with anything I said, but this is nothing more then a waist of both of our time and everyone else's.

Here's a thought, why not simply supply evidence to support your "idea". Please don't tell me the video supplies evidence because we both know it doesn't.

reply to post by Navieko


Would I dare question the "norm", if I didn't care for humanity?

Does God exist seams to be safer then this question?

What is funny, is I can Prove God exists, just not one of his weapons.

I could even tell you what a nuke represents to the players who have them, what it emulates for their beliefs, what they were trying to do in the Manhattan project that had everything to do with energy and nothing to do with a bomb, but people believe the show, not the truth, so those points will never even be heard but by a few. People already have their minds made up for them, not by them.

I used to believe that nuclear weapons had been used. I know nuclear power exists, my great grandfather was vice-president of So.Cal. Edison Power and Electric and is one of the original 12 settlers of Orange County, my grandfather also was a district manager for Edison for over 30 years and has a seat on every Water board commission in California. My uncle is a Nuclear Power Station Manager and has managed plants from San Onifry To Vacaville, but people "know" so much, they will not listen past what they are saying.

I love my fellow man, that's why I hate seeing these lies spread in fear, but alas...I know what I know, so really it's all good, I would just like to help some out of the dark, that want out. Anyway, sorry if you were talking to someone else, I just thought I'd answer as I'm one of the Naysayers.

Peace

You know those nuclear power plants well I worked at Fermi II, and
saw them sneaking coal in back door. This whole nuclear thing is hoax, as are we this hole thing is hoax, we are not really here.
I only work at Fermi one day, they found out my P.H.D. in nuclear fiction was a fake, like most the others.

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Originally posted by googolplex
You know those nuclear power plants well I worked at Fermi II, and
saw them sneaking coal in back door. This whole nuclear thing is hoax, as are we this hole thing is hoax, we are not really here.
I only work at Fermi one day, they found out my P.H.D. in nuclear fiction was a fake, like most the others.

You have a P.H.D. in Nuclear Fiction?

What is Nuclear Fiction? Oh wait, it's the Bomb.

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You can see lots of electrons, one amp a coulomb contains about 6.28 billion electrons. You can see a lot of electrons together but to see one alone would be hard. A lightning strike would be a bunch of electrons to see, not up close and personal.
We have also been able to track a single electron as it moves along a wire. It moves very slow, down the wire for the fact billions are coming out end of wire every second.



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