Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?

because I happen to think it's weird to think that with all the data and witnesses out there

So since you are prepared to make a second charge...prove I am in intel or co-op or whatever you want to call me

I am a 2W2...nuke specialist...plain and simple

and now I am a chef...love my job :-p

good luck in the real country making charges and telling the other side they have to prove you wrong

-Kyo

jfj Go ahead and move it to skunk works. It will only prove that you need it censored.

I smell trollish behavior...I did a while ago but I thought there was somehting here. LTRU at least has done some supporting. I really wish OldFord would return as he seemed to actually say some stuff

-Kyo

Originally posted by violenttorrent
jfj Go ahead and move it to skunk works. It will only prove that you need it censored.

Since you're refusing to provide any evidence to support your position in any way, why wouldn't this be moved to skunkworks?

If I were to say that giant, invisible, flying, purple Wombats destroyed the WTC's with their laser eye beams, wouldn't you want me to provide some type of evidence to support my hypothesis ?
It's a way to control QUALITY OF CONTENT, not censor content. There's a huge difference.

You're deciding where this thread MAY go, depending on what the ATS crew thinks of course.

UNMANNED RUSSIAN vehicle could have put those reflectors on the Moon. It is lame to have that as an argument.

All I am saying is that we should let people have their point of view, without saying that they should be banned, topic removed etc. You are HOSTILE against anyone who is attacking official science, yet you claim that this is a site to do just that.
There are NUMEROUS topics that are pure fantasy, and none of them is in the "SKUNK WORKS", but some of the best scientific analysys ends up there...and removed from ATS completely.

Somehow, I am not surprised

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by greshnik
There are thousands or totally stupid topics on ATS, talking about aliens of all kinds, super-natural events, blah, blah, blah. Nobody EVER asks for the topics to be closed or authors to be banned.

Yet, when there is a topic discusing NASA, or any other official scientific body, or accepted "science", there are a bunch of little mason servants here yelling that ATS should ban the member who posted the topic, close the topic, blah, blah, blah. And if you post a message five months later, they will jump on it next second, ready to write miles of text...just to defend official truth.

Coincidence? No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just check the topics about the fairy tale called "Moon Landing" (end to moon landing conspiracy)or about the Phoenix that landed on Mars at the speed of 20000 miles/hr, with parashute.

Well instead of complaining, why don't you prove your position.
Regarding the moon landing-IT'S been PROVEN ! I can bounce a laser off a reflector left by NASA.

It's time to either put up or shut up about this topic.
Stop complaining start proving.

[edit on 2-1-2009 by greshnik]

Originally posted by greshnik
UNMANNED RUSSIAN vehicle could have put those reflectors on the Moon. It is lame to have that as an argument.

If an unmanned vehicle "could have", a manned vehicle could have.
Regardless, the moon landing has been proven in other threads and shouldn't be rehashed here.

All I am saying is that we should let people have their point of view, without saying that they should be banned, topic removed etc. You are HOSTILE against anyone who is attacking official science, yet you claim that this is a site to do just that.

Assuming you're talking to me, all I've asked is that those people provide evidence as to what they've been saying or maybe this thread should be reclassified on ATS. Just to be clear, people saying there is no such thing as nuclear bombs, have never posted any legit evidence to support their "idea".
Here is what skunkworks is:

This forum is dedicated to the all-important highly speculative topics that may not be substantiated by many, if any facts and span the spectrum of topics discussed on ATS. Readers and users should be aware that extreme theories without corroboration are embraced in this forum. Discussion topics and follow-up responses in this forum will likely tend to lean in favor of conspiracies, scandals, and cover-ups. Members who would seek to refute such theories should be mindful of AboveTopSecret.com's tradition of focusing on conspiracy theory, cover-ups, and scandals.

And this subject falls into that category.

There are NUMEROUS topics that are pure fantasy, and none of them is in the "SKUNK WORKS",

But we're not talking in those threads, we're talking in this thread.

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by violenttorrent
Anybody who suggests that this topic is fit for a thread in skunk works is really only revealing that they have no ability to consider alternative views. Actually they do us a favor by making it obvious that they are operatives.

Well since you can't support your position in any way, that's pretty much what skunkworks is for as opposed to closing the thread.
You refuse to support your argument so what do you expect?

The possibility that nuclear bombs might not exist is a real one.

Not until you can prove your statement. Please do so.

It is a crucial topic which is rarely - almost never - covered by anyone in the 'truth movement.'

Because nobody has provided any evidence to suggest this topic needs to be covered. If you so strongly believe in it, provide evidence to support it.

I found out about AboveTopSecret two years ago by doing a google search for "nuclear bombs don't exist." I was led to a thread here which asked the same question. The guy was attacked even harder in that thread.

Well let me guess...he had no evidence either?

Far from being a subject worthy of being cast aside into skunk works, this subject seems to be important enough to garner the attention of ATS' biggest CoIntelPro guns.

Prove the statement. Oh wait, you're making more baseless claims

If this topic is so unbelievable, then why do you care so much about it?

Because passing along false information does a disservice to everyone here. People come to ATS to learn new things and when someone posts false information, some may actually believe it, which reduces the institute of learning as a whole.

Unless you can actually provide any legit evidence that what you are saying is real,

I VOTE THIS BE MOVED TO SKUNKWORKS. Anyone else agree?

How is an opinion false information? How many times have I said, IT IS MY OPINION due to the lack of physical evidence?

Perhaps you are a scientologist. If that is the case, then I fully understand why you would need to support nuclear bombs. Xenu commands you.

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand


Of course you have the right to your opinion. If I were to say that my opinion is that giant green monkeys at the lincoln memorial, would you find that to be a reasonable opinion that should be shared as fact?

I guess where my mistake happened is because you didn't mention you had a completely uneducated, scientifically lacking opinion, without any legitimate merit or credibility in any reasonable sense of reality. Had you mentioned that, I may not have been so confused. So my mistake, I apologize for not understanding where your "opinion" was coming from.

Just curious but why do you keep accusing me of being part of different organizations? Do you have any evidence to support this?
For the record, scientology is a huge joke.

I'm glad we cleared that up
Have a wonderful day !

[edit on 2-1-2009 by jfj123]

Originally posted by KyoZero
because I happen to think it's weird to think that with all the data and witnesses out there

So since you are prepared to make a second charge...prove I am in intel or co-op or whatever you want to call me

I am a 2W2...nuke specialist...plain and simple

and now I am a chef...love my job :-p

good luck in the real country making charges and telling the other side they have to prove you wrong

-Kyo

I thought we were all on the same side, but perhaps we must all be rounded up who don't believe that nukes have been used, sent to an island in the pacific and have the proof presented to us. I'd be happy, plus I'd be turned into energy the moment the nuke went right?

What I suggest, is follow the yellow brick road of Gold, look out for flying monkeys, don't spend to long in the poppie fields of afganistan, find the emerald city, keep glenda the good witch of the west (the one with the nuclear star staff) on your side, make sure not to loose the ruby red slippers of blood (you won't be able to get home), and find out that there is just a little old man hungry for power behind the curtain...

Oh yeah, give toto a kiss for me while you see the rains down in africa.

It's the only real way "my pretties"....or take a breath, realize this is all conversation, stop the "Banning" language as this is not Stalinist Russia, and realize "free" men are entitled to their opinion.

And for anyone who doesn't like this thread, it's the same as a T.V., you can always change the channel or thread in this case.

Peace

Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

 

Where my mistake happened is because you didn't mention you had a completely uneducated, scientifically lacking opinion, without any legitimate merit in any reasonable circle of learning. So my mistake, I apologize for not understanding where your "opinion" was coming from.

I'm glad we cleared that up

Have a wonderful day !

You are just strait up rude. I've made no judgments like that against you. I hope you feel better.

Peace

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand

Originally posted by KyoZero
because I happen to think it's weird to think that with all the data and witnesses out there

So since you are prepared to make a second charge...prove I am in intel or co-op or whatever you want to call me

I am a 2W2...nuke specialist...plain and simple

and now I am a chef...love my job :-p

good luck in the real country making charges and telling the other side they have to prove you wrong

-Kyo

I thought we were all on the same side, but perhaps we must all be rounded up who don't believe that nukes have been used, sent to an island in the pacific and have the proof presented to us. I'd be happy, plus I'd be turned into energy the moment the nuke went right?

What I suggest, is follow the yellow brick road of Gold, look out for flying monkeys, don't spend to long in the poppie fields of afganistan, find the emerald city, keep glenda the good witch of the west (the one with the nuclear star staff) on your side, make sure not to loose the ruby red slippers of blood (you won't be able to get home), and find out that there is just a little old man hungry for power behind the curtain...

Oh yeah, give toto a kiss for me while you see the rains down in africa.

It's the only real way "my pretties"....or take a breath, realize this is all conversation, stop the "Banning" language as this is not Stalinist Russia, and realize "free" men are entitled to their opinion.

And for anyone who doesn't like this thread, it's the same as a T.V., you can always change the channel or thread in this case.

Peace

OK this is just getting absurd. Any mods want to set some troll bait? PLEASE??

reply to post by jfj123


I'm not being rude, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from. I'm also stating my opinion

You attack and accuse us without any evidence, what do you expect?

What are you expecting from this thread ? Seriously? Are you just here to cause problems? Because that's how it seems !

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand

You are just strait up rude. I've made no judgments like that against you. I hope you feel better.

Peace

You've made unsubstantiated allegations that I am part of VARIOUS, nefarious organizations which I consider to be an insult. So yes, you have made judgments against me.

[edit on 2-1-2009 by jfj123]

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand

You are just strait up rude. I've made no judgments like that against you. I hope you feel better.

Peace

You've made unsubstantiated allegations that I am part of VARIOUS, nefarious organizations which I consider to be an insult. So yes, you have made judgments against me.

[edit on 2-1-2009 by jfj123]

I've made no allegations toward your character and made NO claims that you are part of any group. I said, "perhaps you are a Scientologist". There are no allegations in that sentence, only quandary, as so stated by the word "perhaps", but then again I'm "uneducated". Still, doesn't change the fact that you are rude and that guy, is an allegation and a Judgment based off of Facts strewn though out this thread.

Definition of Perhaps:
possibly: by chance; "perhaps she will call tomorrow"; "we may possibly run into them at the concert"; "it may peradventure be thought that there ...

Even though I've alleged you are rude, I still love you. May blessings befall you like a Nuclear Winter.

Peace

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by violenttorrent
jfj Go ahead and move it to skunk works. It will only prove that you need it censored.

Since you're refusing to provide any evidence to support your position in any way, why wouldn't this be moved to skunkworks?

If I were to say that giant, invisible, flying, purple Wombats destroyed the WTC's with their laser eye beams, wouldn't you want me to provide some type of evidence to support my hypothesis ?
It's a way to control QUALITY OF CONTENT, not censor content. There's a huge difference.

You're deciding where this thread MAY go, depending on what the ATS crew thinks of course.

Did you miss the Movie that he took his time to put together? The only facts you would be able to supply is nothing short of what he supplied, which you have not done. Seriously, I'm going to go back over the thread and find the evidence you've posted.

You see, you don't just say the burden of proof is on him, because he has already done HIS homework and presented his work to the class. To counter something, you must show why it doesn't work, not just say, "what about the thousands of witnesses". Ok. what about them, where are they? Why can you not produce a witness? Nor do statements like, "well I'd like to see you tell that to the sub and naval workers" help you out at all. It's just a statement, not proof.

Why is witnessing a detonation of such a devise important? Because it gives credibility to it's existence to the public who pays for the devices. I don't personally like my hard earned money going to things I can't verify. Is that not my right as a tax payer? I don't like when we do x trillions in bail outs when that means my wage is going to suffer because a bunch of bankers practiced bad practices. Same thing with nukes that I have never seen.

Kyo for instance. Kyo admitted never seeing a device that he has worked on personally detonated. He presented information on the Geiger readings of the device, though he had never seen one detonated. Will I sit here and tell Kyo he is a liar? NO He worked on one for god's sake. Will I tell him nuclear power doesn't exist? NO He worked on one (many?) for gods sake. Can he tell me he has seen a detonation. NO, but you know what, HE IS HONEST. I trust him, because of that fact, because he can tell me they exist, but that He has not seen one detonated and when he speaks he is being truthful.

As I had stated in a previous post. Handling something, and seeing what that something can do, are two completely separate occurrences. This is why a "Need to know" bases is set up in command. Kyo needed to know how to work on a bomb, but he did not need to know "the explosive power" witnessed. Someone above him, deemed him "need to know" for the work on the bomb, not to see it explode. How does a technician not witness there own workings? Because he is on a "need to know" bases. Does he have the luxury to ask an officer, "hey are these real?". It is Yes Sir, No Sir, not answer my questions. Kyo please comment if I am wrong.

Peace

Oh I'll be happy to comment...

but first

It's the only real way "my pretties"....or take a breath, realize this is all conversation, stop the "Banning" language as this is not Stalinist Russia, and realize "free" men are entitled to their opinion.

I want you to point out and quote where I said anything about banning you or anyone.

Now then...the need to know has nothing to do with the job. The need to know is about my clearance. I have worked on, built, and fixed hundreds and seen none tested. NOT because I don't have the right but because the US hasn't tested since 1992.

But please, I would be delighted for you to show me where I said ban.

-Kyo

Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by jfj123

 

I'm not being rude, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from. I'm also stating my opinion

You attack and accuse us without any evidence, what do you expect?

What are you expecting from this thread ? Seriously? Are you just here to cause problems? Because that's how it seems !

Finally some truth from this man. He has stated his OPINION.

Show me the attacks and the accusations.

See, when ever you point a finger, just remember 3 are pointing back at you. Only the thumb is undecided and that leaves you with one pointy finger.

How could I be looking to start trouble in a thread I support? I side with the op, you don't, I don't feel that makes you uneducated, just not willing to accept reality....you've never seen a nuclear weapon used...(first hand).

Really, what more need be said?

Originally posted by KyoZero
Oh I'll be happy to comment...

but first

It's the only real way "my pretties"....or take a breath, realize this is all conversation, stop the "Banning" language as this is not Stalinist Russia, and realize "free" men are entitled to their opinion.

I want you to point out and quote where I said anything about banning you or anyone.

Now then...the need to know has nothing to do with the job. The need to know is about my clearance. I have worked on, built, and fixed hundreds and seen none tested. NOT because I don't have the right but because the US hasn't tested since 1992.

But please, I would be delighted for you to show me where I said ban.

-Kyo

Sorry Kyo, That wasn't directed at you. You had not said that, but I had seen others that would suggest banning....BANNING for talking about their opinions. I didn't mean to offend you and apologize if I did.

Did you work with others who had witnessed a detonation, if I may ask? Perhaps, you were able to glean some insight from others about a blast. I'd be interested to know, all that you could tell us.

Thanks, again sorry for the confusion.

Peace

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by violenttorrent
jfj Go ahead and move it to skunk works. It will only prove that you need it censored.

Since you're refusing to provide any evidence to support your position in any way, why wouldn't this be moved to skunkworks?

If I were to say that giant, invisible, flying, purple Wombats destroyed the WTC's with their laser eye beams, wouldn't you want me to provide some type of evidence to support my hypothesis ?
It's a way to control QUALITY OF CONTENT, not censor content. There's a huge difference.

You're deciding where this thread MAY go, depending on what the ATS crew thinks of course.

You keep at it with this "no evidence", but I fail to understand how the movie the OP presented is "no evidence". I don't mean to be rude, but are you blind? I could understand then why you had not watched the movie, otherwise I would have to say you probably didn't watch it (being close minded), in which case, what points are you bringing to the table to try to make a legitimate argument against his evidence, since it's the only evidence up for review here?

He provided his evidence, so I'm lost as to what you need. Perhaps, review his evidence, see what points he makes, find counter points, then post your results...it would make for a healthy debate.

Don't you decide the quality of content you want to view? Did someone force you here? Do you not have free will? Are you in some sort of prison system or military complex where you are not allowed to make your own choices? Do you need the A-team?

Originally posted by OurFord
Why hasnt a nuclear weapon, missile, ever been activated and sent by accident? A computer, randomly going off? That alone would start an escalating, devastating nuclear war - whatever nation the nuclear warhead is heading toward will have but one reasponse: retaliatory action, 'we might be doomed, but in the 6 minutes we have left, we'll launch our own nukes'.

And this has never happened? Now if we apply Occam's Razor what is more likely.. them having never gone off, accidentally or by a rogue,.. the fact that ET/other presence on the earth keeps them from flying, or that they Never in fact existed at all?

Think about it

They have never gone off accidentally because of fail safe systems.

Regarding ET presence, look up Dr. Robert Jacobs. He was an Air Force officer that claims he witnesses an ICBM test flight get disrupted by a UFO.
It's a fact UFOs have disabled nuclear weapons, but I don't think they're the reason none have been used in war since 1945.