U.S. Refuses to Join U.N. Call to End Anti-Homosexuality Laws

How very sad that in this day and age that people still do not understand the major differences between homosexuality and pedophilia,and that people will stand by and let others be discriminated against just because of thier own irrational fears.

That's because there is no difference they are all sexual disfunctions. I am very glad the US is not going along with this crap.

reply to post by Christian Voice


So you agree that homosexuals should continue to be imprisoned for life,tortured and executed??

You agree that an act between 2 consenting adults should be likened to the rape and violation of children??

reply to post by Christian Voice


Your posts ignorance is only highlighted by your user name. What you believe about homosexuality is irrelevant in the larger scope of society. Religion is personal so please keep your inane ideas to yourself. They aren't welcome in an intellectual discussion. The problem with this country is that religion and law have yet to be separated, whereas governance and law are clearly secular. What we need is a better source and framework for basing our society's morality. We must abandon the Bible and adopt a new, redefined, individualistic attitude.

I don't see anything particularly wrong here.

Quite frankly, the majority of Americans are against homosexuality; its not unreasonable for American Respresentatives to therefore make a decision which reflects such a demographic.

"HomoPolitics" has a very invasive nature about it: Suspend your values and Accept us, or you're a BIGOT!

reply to post by ChronMan


It doesn't matter if you agree with or not.What matters is the injustice and violence homosexuals experience in other countries.

Would you like to be put to death for having consensual sex with another adult?

Have you ever shown anger when you've heard about a woman being stoned to death,ever said it was wrong and an outrage?

If so,why?
And would you say the same if the woman was a lesbian?

Isn't it mildly ironic that Islam and Catholicism are pissed off at the decriminalisation of homosexuality because it may lead to the "social normalization and possibly the legalization of deplorable acts" such as pedophilia and incest?

I'm surprised they aren't high-fiving each other.

I can see why Muslims are so self-righteous. I mean, it's not like they treat their women like cattle or property which they can then sell for a sizeable dowry. Nor are men allowed to marry up to three or four wives because that's not allowed right? It's not like the Quran promotes the mistreatment of women and spreads anti-semitism.

If people are still pissed at the thought of homos marrying, then please for the love of Allah, God, whatever deity you believe in, take a chill pill. Your invisible friend will smite us whenever He wants. O! the gnashing of teeth! drowning in banshee's excrement, surrounded by holy men!

Ah it's great to be in the company of the leaders of human rights like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan. Kill the queers...right on! Our own theocracy is a thriving community filled with love and tolerance on par with the Taliban!

What would Jesus do?????? I think he would behead the queers! Jesus was like that kill the sinner, hate the sin.

It doesn't matter if you agree with or not.What matters is the injustice and violence homosexuals experience in other countries.

Then they should quit being against nature as sexual deviants. And to answer a question from someone earlier yes I liken homosexual acts to pedophilia. They are both outside the norm of sexuality. The only difference is that homosexuals are supposedly all consenting and in pedophilia a good deal are not consenting. In both instances the homosexual and the pedophile, they both say they cannot control what they are attracted to. One is attracted to the same sex and the other is attracted to people much younger than he or she is. What's the difference? They are both attractions that people claim cannot be helped. I do not see the difference. Ignorant people that claim as long as it feels good how's it bad? If both consent how's it bad? What's the difference between someone having consensual sex with a 14 year old girl and consensual sex with a person of the same sex? Nothing is different. Both sexual deviant behavior.

Your posts ignorance is only highlighted by your user name. What you believe about homosexuality is irrelevant in the larger scope of society. Religion is personal so please keep your inane ideas to yourself. They aren't welcome in an intellectual discussion. The problem with this country is that religion and law have yet to be separated, whereas governance and law are clearly secular. What we need is a better source and framework for basing our society's morality. We must abandon the Bible and adopt a new, redefined, individualistic attitude.

I do not need the Bible nor Christianity to explain common sense to me. It is only logical that men and women's parts are made for the opposite sex. Homosexual sex is not natural. The studies that supposedly claim evidence of homosexual behavior in the wild are biased studies by people with a clear agenda. It is very obvious that in the animal kingdom homosexual acts are acts of aggression and dominance. I do not appreciate being called ignorant so please knock that crap off.
My screen name has nothing to do with this discussion, notice that neither of my posts did I quote the Bible nor Jesus, nor my Christian faith. I don't need that to debate the likes of you. Just not necessary. We can go there if ya'd like though.

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Why do you people have to continuously bring Christianity into things. Noone here said crap about their religious beliefs. We don't have to, it's a no-brainer.

reply to post by Christian Voice

Then they should quit being against nature as sexual deviants.

Its laughable that you call yourself Christian Voice.
You think that such treatment is acceptable because it goes against your faith.Well i think such treatment is offensive to my ingrained morals,ethics and basic human decency.What a sad state of affairs Christianity is in when a non-believer has more empathy than a believer.

What's the difference between someone having consensual sex with a 14 year old girl and consensual sex with a person of the same sex? Nothing is different. Both sexual deviant behavior.

Amazing how people with such an attitude mention sex with teenagers in their arguments,and all the while ignoring the fact that most pedophiles rape and violate prepubescent children.Can you grasp that fact? Or are you to scared to look into the dark heart of pedophilia?

And explain to me how there is no difference with sex between to consenting adults and a man who rapes a 5 month old baby.www.thepittsburghchannel.com... The excuse of 'they cannot help themselves' is no excuse at all when you take into account one act is rape and the other isn't.

Also,bear in mind,that there is more to homosexuality than the act of sex.Holding hands,cuddling,kissing or falling in love is not behaviour comparable with pedophilia or incest.

I do not need the Bible nor Christianity to explain common sense to me.

So executing homosexuals is common sense?

The studies that supposedly claim evidence of homosexual behavior in the wild are biased studies by people with a clear agenda. It is very obvious that in the animal kingdom homosexual acts are acts of aggression and dominance.

And the studies that are unbiased and conducted without an agenda,what about them? Studies on homosexual lifestyles are biased,why are they to be believed? Because you agree with their views?

My screen name has nothing to do with this discussion, notice that neither of my posts did I quote the Bible nor Jesus, nor my Christian faith.

Of course it does,it tells people where you're coming from.As does the picture with it.


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reply to post by Christian Voice


Stop - You are embarrassing yourself. There are numerous valid studies that demonstrate homosexuality does in fact take place in nature and it is not always about agression and dominace as you say. Just look at the story of the two gay penguins:

dir.salon.com...

Furthermore, I am gay and I am also a Christian, in the sense that I believe in the one true God of the Bible and I have faith in Jesus Christ and his promise of eternal salvation. Your screen name has everything to do with this discussion, you call yourself "christian voice" but you are NOT my voice, speak for yourself! No true Christian and follower of a loving and benevolent God would support any measure taken by our government that supports torture and persecution of any group of people.

Regarding your comparison of homosexuals to pedophiles...Again, stop. In our country (USA), there is no such thing as consensual sex with a minor, your statement is an oxymoron. The difference is that homosexual adults have adult consensual sex thus it is not deviant in any way. This is simply not possible between an adult and a minor. The fact that the child is a minor, by definition, precludes any possibility of it being consensual and is thus deviant! I do not know how to make that any more clear.

Ignorant |ˈignərənt|
adjective
lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated


If you do not want to be called ignorant then prove yourself otherwise...

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A 17 year old girl or boy, and even 14, or 15 years old can honestly give consent about what they wish to have done to their bodies, don't tell me they cannot. As far as the continuous use of slanders towards me such as ignorant, I believe that it is ignorant to believe that same sex sexual relationships are the most ignorant ideas ever. The parts do not fit, neither do the feelings. Men and women are made completely different for a reason. We compliment each other.
Oh, and let's not be so dang dramatic about things. How often do you really believe that people are executed because they are homosexual? Rarely. Even in third world nations and Islamic nations. It is wrong, but does not justify death. How often do you believe that people lose jobs or are discriminated against for a job because of their sexual orientation? Give me a break. Again, my screen name has nothing to do with anything on this thread, again I have not quoted the Bible, I have not rambled about sins. I would be more than pleased to do so if you would prefer. I am certainly not afraid to go up against Godless heathans on here or anywhere else. So, bring da noise !

Furthermore, I am gay and I am also a Christian, in the sense that I believe in the one true God of the Bible and I have faith in Jesus Christ and his promise of eternal salvation

reply to post by archetype_one


How can you possibly be a Christian and actively gay? You cannot. That's the same as saying I'm a serial killer and a Christian. The Bible says homosexuality is wrong just as it says murder is wrong. Now if you were gay and then became Christian and mended your sinful ways then yes you would be a Christian, but not one while maintaining an active sinful lifestyle. Check with the Southern Baptist convention, the Presbytarians, the Methodists, Church of Christ, Church of God, Lutherans, Catholics, they would all agree that you are not a Christian. 2 Billion Christians worldwide say you are not. Who are you to argue with them?
You can be Christian, you can accept Jesus, but not engage in active sin that is contrary to God's design.

reply to post by Christian Voice


It doesn't matter. Your ideals are obviously deeply rooted in the moral crusade that is the Bible. Sorry but rejecting this global declaration runs completely contrary to the natural liberties of men clearly defined in the Bill of Rights of the United States of America. That document is a clear, malleable guideline for the positive development of any Liberal Democracy. Homosexuality is not a deviance just because you are incapable of wrapping your mind around its apparent logical fallacies. You seem to be forgetting that as humans we are more than just the sum of our biology.

Originally posted by Christian Voice
You can be Christian, you can accept Jesus, but not engage in active sin that is contrary to God's design.

I think you have read a little too much Genesis, and much too little of the real Bible. If you want to be a Jew, so be it.

reply to post by Christian Voice


Here is a list showing US age of consensual sex by state:

www.livestrong.com...

The youngest is 16, not 14 or 15 as you say. and as long as they are a minor it would not be considered consensual even if they were the one who initiated the contact.

As far as gay parts not fitting and feelings not fitting - For some one who is not gay you sure think you know a lot about the dynamics of gay relationships. Going so far as to say the feelings do not fit, what do you know about the feelings not fitting if you have never been in a gay relationship?!

Your statement on Islamic nations is also wrong - Read this article, it clearly states that homosexuals in Iran can be sentenced to death:

www.foxnews.com...

I do not know how often homosexuals have been executed for being gay but here is a link to a story about an eighth grader who was murdered by another eighth grader simply because he gave him a gay valentine!

www.theflavorofloves.comandwww.tmz.com...

Now why would a 15 year-old think it was necessary to kill another person just because he was gay? It is purely conjecture on my part but perhaps he had been taught that gays are no different than pedophiles and murderers and they deserve to die...and I will be as dramatic as I like considering it is my rights that are being trampled on! I should be rioting in the streets Harvey Milk style but I would like to think we have evolved a bit since 1978!

And last but certainly not least - I am forced to infer from your statement that you MUST be entirely sinless then! If you say I cannot be a Christian because being gay is a sinful lifestyle - you must be perfect - strange, because last I checked there has only been one human in all Christendom that could be called blameless and I'm pretty sure it wasn't you!

This church accepts gays:
www.wwrn.org...

So does this one:
www.gaychristianonline.org...

Here is an article about an openly gay Catholic Priest! Although, he is celibate...Still gay.
www.boston.com...

It's not hard to do a search on LGBT friendly churches across the world man - You have a lot of nerve putting words in the mouths of over 2 billion Christians!

Only Christ knows the heart of a man, you are excluded from the right to judge whether I am Christian or not - on account of the fact that you are NOT Christ!

Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by MacDonagh

 

Why do you people have to continuously bring Christianity into things. Noone here said crap about their religious beliefs. We don't have to, it's a no-brainer.

If you read the source, the Vatican gave it's opinion on homosexuality. Whilst they frown, shake their heads and wring their hands at the brutal persecution of gays in other countries where homosexuality is illegal, they are more "concerned" about the validity of their religious ceremony. So yeah, they shouldn't be exempt from criticism at all, because they had something to say on the matter.

And if you're offended by the way I write things, so bloody what? I find it more offensive that Christians can't pull the finger out and lobby their Muslim brothers about the way they treat women and gay people in case some feelings get hurt and they get offended.

Originally posted by Christian Voice
The Bible says homosexuality is wrong just as it says murder is wrong.

Well you see one of the 10 commandments say “thou shall not kill” ...... if Homosexuality was as bad as murder, or such an evil sin, it would of also been made a commandment. It wasn’t.

Obviously God thought there were more important issues at hand.

Mikey

reply to post by Christian Voice


I would encourage you to read over this site:

www.religioustolerance.org...

It might help you see that your particular "brand" of Christianity is not the only way to see the world. There are many Christians who interpret the Bible in different ways. Sadly we may never know who has it right (at least not in this life) but that is why we are saved by grace and not by works and we are called to love one another and not judge others.

There are many gays who have given homosexuality a bad name and there are many Christians who have given Christians a bad name...Let us not perpetuate the cycle. I apologize for calling you ignorant...You are entitled to your opinion, although I hope you will change your perspective on homosexuals, I cannot expect it to happen overnight.

~Peace