Alien Technology: It's time to release more, The Economy can use it

reply to post by Bob Down Under


All I'm asking for are specifics. I simply do not understand which products you are referring to and I'd like some clarification. This is not an attempt to debunk you. Rather, it is an innocent question to which I have yet to receive a satisfactory answer. You tell me that the fiber optic cables I am associating with human invention are not the correct product. Okay, then please show me what you are referring to so that we can all see what you're talking about. Surely, there are references you can cite (papers, articles, schematics, etc.). If there aren't any sources to back up the claims, then I'm sure you can understand why I might be confused. I just want to know what you're talking about as I am genuinely curious.

I'm sorry if you expected to have everyone take you at your word without further questions but that's just not the way I operate. Why should I do all the legwork when you're the one with the answers? I believe the burden of proof falls on your shoulders here since you're the one who made these claims. People aren't going to rush out to buy books on your say-so alone and I doubt my local library has such material. In this case, internet sources, provided they are from reputable organizations, will just have to do. At this point, I have no idea where you are getting your material from. Anyone can post a video on YouTube or an article on their own personal website.

[edit on 22-12-2008 by X-tal_Phusion]

reply to post by X-tal_Phusion


There is no actual knock on your door proof as they say as it is top secret and has been for many years, most of the tech has been in black ops and locked up.

Now PLEASE READ! the info Slayer and myself provided you with and do a bit of research yourself, then it wont be long before it all drops into place.

robocat.users.btopenworld.com...

www.geoffreylandis.com...

conjecturenews.com...

www.ufoconspiracy.com...

www.boblazar.com... Sojuzkarta KFA-1000 Camera

au.youtube.com...



[edit on 22-12-2008 by Bob Down Under]

I'm getting the impression that what you're calling "alien technology" is simply ordinary, human innovations that aren't anything of the sort. The spontaneous self-assembly of microstructures isn't as complex as it looks and if we invested more in public science education it would be recognized for it's elegant simplicity, rather than something exotic and "alien". Sure, it's cool but it isn't anything "out-of-this-world". Didn't you ever perform the silica garden reaction in elementary school? Did you ever buy one of those crystal-growing kits as a kid? If not, I highly recommend it. If you want to learn how to make wicked-cool animations based on molecular structures (so you can see them in action as they react), there are all sorts of free software programs out there. Here's one of my favorite places to go if you feel like experimenting on your own: jordanprotocell.nexo.com... I'm not trying to give you a hard time, really. I was just hoping to learn something new that I didn't already know. Sorry if my disappointment manifested itself as frustration towards you. I'm not the most patient person in the world.

reply to post by X-tal_Phusion


Hey thanks for your opinion.

I know it's hard to understand when someone is raised in this high tech world and assumes that whats around them has always been around.

I'm not saying your young but many who either have not lived through this era or has taken certain aspects of modern life as the mondane do not undestand how things changed dramaticaly in the past 40 years.

My friends son was told the other day to change the TV channel, he walked around for about 5 minutes and then sat down frustrated when asked why he didnt change the channel he said simply he couldnt becuase he could not find the remote.

reply to post by X-tal_Phusion



For those of you who are not aware I’ll be compiling data, sources and links and eventually will release all in one new post so any doubts you have or contrary theories I’ll include them and then answer them.
This will be updated as I pull all this together so check back daily.

Originally posted by X-tal_Phusion
I'm getting the impression that what you're calling "alien technology" is simply ordinary, human innovations that aren't anything of the sort. The spontaneous self-assembly of microstructures isn't as complex as it looks and if we invested more in public science education it would be recognized for it's elegant simplicity

NanoEngineering Supermaterials

Ok now let’s move on with more information shall we? I know it’s hard for some so try and keep up.

Who is T.T. Brown?

Source

Early and middle years
Brown was born in Zanesville, Ohio; his parents were Lewis K. and Mary Townsend Brown. In 1921, Brown discovered what was later called the Biefeld-Brown effect while experimenting with a Coolidge X-ray tube. This is a vacuum tube with two asymmetrical electrodes. Brown noticed that there was a force exerted by the tube when it was connected to a high-voltage source. This force was not caused by the X-rays, but by this new effect. Later, in 1923, he collaborated with Paul Alfred Biefeld at Denison University, Granville, Ohio. He started a military career afterwards and was involved in a number of science programs.
In 1930 he joined the U.S. Navy and conducted fundamental research in electromagnetism, radiation, field physics, spectroscopy, gravity and other topics. He later worked for Glenn L. Martin and, still later, for the National Defense Research Committee (NDRC) and the Office of Scientific Research and Development, headed at that time by Dr. Vannevar Bush. After 1944 he worked as a consultant to the Lockheed-Vega Aircraft Corporation.


Later years
In 1955, Brown went to England, and then France where he worked for La Société Nationale de Construction Aéronautique du Sud Ouest (SNCASO). In 1956, the aviation trade publication Interavia reported that Brown had made substantial progress in anti-gravity or electro-gravitic propulsion research. Top U.S. aerospace companies had also become involved in such research (see United States gravity control propulsion research (1955 - 1974)) which may have become a classified subject by 1957. Others contend Brown's research simply reached a dead end and lost support. Though the effect he discovered has been proven to exist by many others, Brown's work was controversial because others and even he himself believed that this effect could explain the existence and operation of unidentified flying objects (UFOs).

Brown was an early investigator of UFOs and in 1956 helped found the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena (NICAP). Though Townsend resigned not long after NICAP was founded, NICAP was an influential force in civilian UFO research through 1970. The organization's activities drew the attention of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), several high-level officers of which joined the group. Brown's research has since become something of a popular pursuit around the world, with amateur experimenters replicating his early experiments in the form of "lifters" powered by high-voltage.

Notice the gap again 1930 then advancement in 1955 also I highly recommend going back to that link and try to bring up his patents from the US Patent office yes the link is official. Hint good luck

T.T. Brown Electrogravity

AntiGravity Physics Explained

PAUL A. LaVIOLETTE, PH.D Electro gravitics & UFO propulsion : 1

PAUL A. LaVIOLETTE, PH.D Electro gravitics & UFO propulsion : 2

PAUL A. LaVIOLETTE, PH.D Electro gravitics & UFO propulsion : 3

Dr. Paul Czysz, Professor of Aeronautical Engineering : 1

Dr. Paul Czysz, Professor of Aeronautical Engineering : 2

Dr. Paul Czysz, Professor of Aeronautical Engineering : 3

Dr. Paul Czysz, Professor of Aeronautical Engineering : 4

TR-3B ?

So again check back daily I'll answer any question posted to the best of my ability, and update this thread as much as possible.





[edit on 23-12-2008 by SLAYER69]

M.A.S.E.R.

A maser is a device that produces coherent electromagnetic waves through amplification due to stimulated emission. Historically the term came from the acronym "Microwave Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation", although modern masers emit over a broad portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. This has led some to replace "microwave" with "molecular" in the acronym, as suggested by Charles H. Townes.[1] When optical coherent oscillators were first developed, they were called optical masers, but it has become more common to refer to these as lasers. See the section on terminology below for more on this.

Electrogravitics

Electrogravitics is a research subject based upon the original work of Nikola Tesla, and hypotheses advanced by Thomas Townsend Brown and Brown's subsequent extensive experimentation and demonstrations of the effect. The term was in widespread use by 1956.[1] The effects of electrogravity have been searched for extensively in countless experiments since the beginning of the 20th century; to date, other than Brown's experiments and the more recent ones reported by R. L. Talley[2], Eugene Podkletnov, and Giovanni Modanese, no conclusive evidence of electrogravitic signatures has been found. Recently, some investigation has begun in electrohydrodynamics (EHD) or sometimes electro-fluid-dynamics, a counterpart to the well-known magneto-hydrodynamics, but these do not seem a priori to be related to Brown's "electrogravitics" .

United States gravity control propulsion research (1955 - 1974)

American interest in "gravity control propulsion research" intensified during the early 1950s. Literature from that period used the terms anti-gravity, anti-gravitation, baricentric, counterbary, electrogravitics, G-projects, gravitics, gravity control, and gravity propulsion.[1][2] Their publicized goals were to develop and discover technologies and theories for the manipulation of gravity or gravity-like fields for propulsion.[3] Although general relativity theory appeared to prohibit anti-gravity propulsion, several programs were funded to develop it through gravitation research from 1955 to 1974. The names of many contributors to general relativity and those of the golden age of general relativity have appeared among documents about the institutions that had served as the theoretical research components of those programs.[4][5][6] The existence and 1950s emergence of the gravity control propulsion research had not been a subject of controversy for aerospace writers, critics, and conspiracy theory advocates. But its rationale, effectiveness, and longevity have been the objects of contested views.

Ferrofluid

A ferrofluid (from the Latin ferrum, meaning iron) is a liquid which becomes strongly polarised in the presence of a magnetic field.

Ferrofluids are colloidal mixtures composed of nanoscale ferromagnetic, or ferrimagnetic, particles suspended in a carrier fluid, usually an organic solvent or water. The ferromagnetic nano-particles are coated with a surfactant to prevent their agglomeration (due to van der Waals and magnetic forces). Although the name may suggest otherwise, ferrofluids do not display ferromagnetism, since they do not retain magnetization in the absence of an externally applied field. In fact, ferrofluids display (bulk-scale) paramagnetism, and are often described as "superparamagnetic" due to their large magnetic susceptibility. Permanently magnetized fluids are difficult to create at present.[1]

The difference between ferrofluids and magnetorheological fluids (MR fluids) is the size of the particles. The particles in a ferrofluid primarily consist of nanoparticles which are suspended by Brownian motion and generally will not settle under normal conditions. MR fluid particles primarily consist of micrometre-scale particles which are too heavy for Brownian motion to keep them suspended, and thus will settle over time due to the inherent density difference between the particle and its carrier fluid. These two fluids have very different applications as a result.

subquantum kinetics

Subquantum Kinetics
(a nontechnical summary)

Subquantum kinetics is a novel microphysics paradigm that incorporates concepts developed in the fields of system theory and nonequilibrium thermodynamics. One of its distinctive features is that it begins at the subquantum level for its point of departure. By comparison, conventional physics and most alternative physics theories begin with mathematically quantified observations of physical phenomena at the quantum and macrophysical level and attempt to deduce physical theories based on those observations. Since the conventional approach must take into account numerous experimental observations, the end result is a fragmented and often contradictory set of theories which must later be sewn together with mathematical acrobatics. Such "unified field theories" more closely resemble a patchwork quilt than a contiguous fabric.

[edit on 23-12-2008 by SLAYER69]

Before we can go any further we will have to put the argument of whether Aliens and UFOs exist and if the Government knows anything and can keep a secret to rest.


People say it would be impossible in this day and age for the Government to keep secrets, generally I would agree but if you were able to bury something for such a long time and let only a select few know it becomes easier to see how over time that in other parts of the government they would most likely consider such stories as rumors and fantasy and dismiss it.

I believe President Eisenhower was trying to warn us about such things. Stop and think who had Alien Technology and who was going to gain from it’s backwards engineering? The military that’s who.
Watch this video what do you think he meant by:

The total influence Economic, political, even spiritual
Or
The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power

Yes he was talking about The US military as a possible threat to the legitimate government but did he know something we didn’t as far as technology available and being back engineered by the
“ Industrial Military Complex”?

Now that’s a scary scenario when you consider the fact that one entity in the government can keep things from the rest, talk about conspiracy and secret government within the government.

But is this just a conspiracy nuts idea of what is going on? Let’s let President Kennedy talk to you about secrets within Government.




I think they should just come clean and let the general public know what they have been hiding not just for years but decades now.

And now a few words from President Ronald Reagan


Not once but twice!


Clinton Administration anyone?


If you don’t like those sources what about some of the best and brightest

The Right Stuff.

Buzz Aldrin

Gordon Cooper

Ed Mitchell

If you don’t care for American Astronauts how about a Union of the Soviet Socialist Republic Cosmonaut?

So again check back daily I'll answer any question posted to the best of my ability, and update this thread as much as possible.

Originally posted by X-tal_Phusion
reply to post by Bob Down Under

 

All I'm asking for are specifics. I simply do not understand which products you are referring to and I'd like some clarification. This is not an attempt to debunk you. Rather, it is an innocent question to which I have yet to receive a satisfactory answer. You tell me that the fiber optic cables I am associating with human invention are not the correct product. Okay, then please show me what you are referring to so that we can all see what you're talking about. Surely, there are references you can cite (papers, articles, schematics, etc.). If there aren't any sources to back up the claims, then I'm sure you can understand why I might be confused. I just want to know what you're talking about as I am genuinely curious.

I'm sorry if you expected to have everyone take you at your word without further questions but that's just not the way I operate. Why should I do all the legwork when you're the one with the answers? I believe the burden of proof falls on your shoulders here since you're the one who made these claims. People aren't going to rush out to buy books on your say-so alone and I doubt my local library has such material. In this case, internet sources, provided they are from reputable organizations, will just have to do. At this point, I have no idea where you are getting your material from. Anyone can post a video on YouTube or an article on their own personal website.

[edit on 22-12-2008 by X-tal_Phusion]

I will answer soon and I wish yourself and everyone on ATS a happy xmas and good will for the world.

reply to post by Bob Down Under


thanks Bob enjoy yor holiday.

I'll also take a few days off and enjoy family I'll be back soon after to add to the mix.

Hi all,
Suppose I could go back to the days of Adamski. I certainly have not as yet, come to any kind of conclusions myself but do speculate nuclear ambitions of earth species is serious on their mind. So we may have been infiltrated to the higher levels of Gov which controls such weapons.

reply to post by Decoy


thanks decoy we will be back after the new years
I have some other data I'm working on


If anybody has anything to contribute please by all means do so.
I'll be updating on the 2nd

Originally posted by Bob Down Under


Now PLEASE READ! the info Slayer and myself provided you with and do a bit of research yourself, then it wont be long before it all drops into place.

robocat.users.btopenworld.com...

www.geoffreylandis.com...

conjecturenews.com...

www.ufoconspiracy.com...

www.boblazar.com... Sojuzkarta KFA-1000 Camera

au.youtube.com...

i found this video regarding lighcraft

Originally posted by X-tal_Phusion
Why are we expecting aliens to save our hides? Why don't we just give our scientists the support they need to conduct their research? They spend more time chasing dwindling grants than engaging in creative endeavors that spur important technological innovation! Don't get me started on all the foreign students coming in because we don't give enough future American scientists the academic support they need as they drift through our failing public school system! We've lost our competitive edge and it's only a matter of time before we find ourselves unable to purchase it cheaply from the rest of the world. Change the way science is taught in our schools and do away with grants (switch to a stipend system) if the US is serious about technological progress. Let's save ourselves!

The USA is the envy of the world. We have all the great technology.
Where do all the 45 nanometer CPUs come from?
Intel / AMD
Microsoft / Apple provide the OS.
We have the best schools here in the USA. Harvard / MIT / Stanford /
Princeton
The USA is magic because we have a financially strong middle class.
Our future has never been brighter.
We have a MOUNTAIN of even better technology that we are just
sitting on. The advanced technology will allow us to go to Mars
and the asteroid belt in about 20 minutes.
We should have this technology thrown at us around December 21, 2012.

Originally posted by X-tal_Phusion
I'm getting the impression that what you're calling "alien technology" is simply ordinary, human innovations that aren't anything of the sort. The spontaneous self-assembly of microstructures isn't as complex as it looks and if we invested more in public science education it would be recognized for it's elegant simplicity, rather than something exotic and "alien". Sure, it's cool but it isn't anything "out-of-this-world". Didn't you ever perform the silica garden reaction in elementary school? Did you ever buy one of those crystal-growing kits as a kid? If not, I highly recommend it. If you want to learn how to make wicked-cool animations based on molecular structures (so you can see them in action as they react), there are all sorts of free software programs out there. Here's one of my favorite places to go if you feel like experimenting on your own: jordanprotocell.nexo.com... I'm not trying to give you a hard time, really. I was just hoping to learn something new that I didn't already know. Sorry if my disappointment manifested itself as frustration towards you. I'm not the most patient person in the world.

I'll just say it. Advanced alien civilizations have reached the planet
Earth in numbers and diversity. The Grays are just one race.
Earth is going to be a very exciting place January 2013.

For your info

www.geocities.com...




[edit on 7-1-2009 by Bob Down Under]

reply to post by Bob Down Under


Awesome! I'm checking it out now.

thanks for the update
Stay tuned everyone this will be pulled together into a new post some time soon with all the compiled data

reply to post by Divinorumus


I really have to disagree with you on the issue more technology makes things worse. 100 years ago visit any major city in the world and you frequently have repeated outbreaks of infectious disease. As we develope new technology in energy production for example, it can be cleaner and after initial cost more affordable. Greater access to advanced technology helps increase the standard of living for many people all over the world. Between you and me, I like having indoor toilets that flush, central heat, and modern medicine. Many people who never lived where there is no access to modern technology often romantisize the situation. Thats one reason people are falling all over themselves in China to move from the boonies to cities. Despite crushing crouds and terrible air, its a lot better then most then using charcol to cook food which is still the main way its done in some parts of China.

Remove the current level of technology by driving every one back 100 years technologicly, and you would have a lot more starving, miserable people then you do now. Technology must be used wisely, but to say its all bad because some people misuse it is nieve. As for the release of ET technology to the general public don't hold your breath. Much of the current power structure would loose out, at least at first. Then keep in mind just how much governments kling to a technology they feel will give them some strategic advantage. Also introduction of radicly advanced technology into society would change how business and society opperates. The only thing governments fear more then overt aggression is change. The status quo is a knowable entity. As for Corso's book I have a few comments on that I'll make later, its late and I'm tired...

Originally posted by arbiture
Also introduction of radicly advanced technology into society would change how business and society opperates. The only thing governments fear more then overt aggression is change.

Thanks for your reply
I agree with much of it but as far as releasing I feel they have but it has taken this long to play catch up and only say in the past 20 years or sohas it realy picked up.

We still have not decipherd how those chips realy worked ours are but childish copies as far as the fibre optic it may look the same but theirs are still way ahead of what has been developed.

reply to post by X-tal_Phusion


Firstly I would like to say AWSOME tread and only found it because I was going to start something similar.

I know its hard to believe, but the reason it takes so long to come out with this new tech, is for the pure fact of reverse engenering, there is complete understandings of this suposed new tech because, there are people who have spent years working with it to break it down and see what and how they can use it.
If you find a bright glowing orange device on the side of the road and have no idea what it is would you put it in you mouth and start pushing buttons, no i dont think so.
The government has spent 60 years and more than likely billions of dollars, trying to understand what they have found.
The reason for the big tech advances through the years is because they have discovered what one button on the orange device does and how to use it in many different ways, so you have a boom of several different products that do this, in different ways.

THAT IS WHAT REVERSE ENGINERING IS FOR AND HOW IT WORKS.

Sorry but I have read the entire thread and as far as i can see nobody has explaned this to anyone.

Now dont go pushing any buttons now, unless you know what it does.

Proof of tech advancement. I am 30 and when I was born there were NO and I mean NO mobile phones, or Internet, and in 30 years I can now sit at my local beach and talk to someone on the other side of the planet.
I know us, as the great man kind we are, have enough knowledge to come up with this ourselves, but you cant tell me that we didn't get a little help from someone, somewhere......

I agree with the topic headline... the Earth is suffering in a big way, surly there has to be some kind of hidden tech that could help us out... and if were stupid enough to kill everone with it, were only speeding up the process of what were doing now............


Thanks

Originally posted by Vandervord
Proof of tech advancement. I am 30 and when I was born there were NO and I mean NO mobile phones, or Internet, and in 30 years I can now sit at my local beach and talk to someone on the other side of the planet.
I know us, as the great man kind we are, have enough knowledge to come up with this ourselves, but you cant tell me that we didn't get a little help from someone, somewhere.....

This is the type of comments that sicken me. How can all of you supporting the OPs claims be comfortable with insulting the human race? No cell phones in... 1980? Just because you did not have one, doesn't mean they didn't exist. The original cell phone patent came out in 1908. I also linked one from 1969 which is a bit more modern. There are dozens of patents between these showing a gradual improvement in technology - and predates Roswell significantly.

* U.S. Patent Number 887,357 (1908)
* US Patent Number 3,449,750(1969)

No internet in 1980? Try 1965 for preliminary work. Tons of small improvements over time, each designer building off the work of previous ones. However, that example doesn't make the point I am trying to do.

Fiber optic technology was used in the 1840s, as the Wikipedia link stated. However, what Wikipedia doesn't show is the gradual improvement of the technology over years and years of work. Or more precisely, it wasn't quote above - and is missing a ton of references. The fiber optic cable we use today for telephone service is the same fiber developed 60 years ago. Some times when technology works, we don't have a need to improve upon it (I will note that the equipment attached to said fiber has increased - gradually - over the years).

The next thing you know, you are going to say velcro is an alien invention. (It's not people!). An invention requires inspiration. Inspiration is triggered by need. These comments are discredits to all of us, yet a lot of people don't seem to realize it.

I would also like to point out that wikipedia is not the best source of information. Their policy is not about truth, but rather verifiability. The problem is a lot of their editors do not like hard copy books when added as references and the next thing you know, you are involved in an AFD.

The human bashing has got ot stop... seriously. We are an intelligent species but the garbage people can get away with publishing not to mention post online is only lowering the average IQ of people unwilling to do the research themselves.

All I have seen so far in this thread is confirmation that The Day After Roswell was written by a quack, reaffermimation that people believe that Wikipedia has everything on a subject, and that I need to start seriously worrying about today's youth if they believe the stuff people get away with posting online.