Night Vision UFO's Clear footage

Originally posted by atsbelieverno government agency would be flying their ultra top secret aircraft over a populated area you might as well give the blueprints to the Russians or Chinese.

BTW have you noticed where Vandenburg, Area 51, Edwards, Nellis, Nevada Test site, Tonopah, Los Alamos Labs and Lawrence Livermore Labs as well as the Lockheed Skunk works, Boeing Phantom works and the Navy Swamp Works are located?

Go look them up... MOST of them are near and around the heaviest populated areas in the US. Please show us just how they would get from point A to point B WITHOUT flying over populated areas at some point?

No worries about the Russians and Chinese... they are all in on it... even Buzz Aldrin is working for Gravwave LLC a company doing anti gravity research with the Chinese...

And the public? Who cares... they have their Alien cover story in case anyone spots something

reply to post by zorgon


That is excellent news. I really hope to see him/her ( ) posting in our group. Along with a few of the other members we have that are not on ATS, it would be some excellent discussion.

The minds are starting to fall in place, it would seem.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
The minds are starting to fall in place, it would seem.

I will suggest a section like Russ... I'll keep you posted. I am not sure this includes the patent info yet so I will be cautious until I am sure

Only one reply by a military pilot; who it seems was largely ignored by the many "experts" in here. I've flown with goggs, and as sje said, they are not birds in that 3rd video. If birds lit up like that, flying low level nvg would be a lot less stressful. Also, some posters have mentioned that they could see stars in amongst the lights in formation; as if this was some kind of reason to dismiss them. This however pays no attention to the fact that these "emitters of light" may have been quite large and a long way up, zooming around in some kind of formation exercise.

Further, just look at the speed the lights are traversing the sky, and the speed with which they alter formation. Once again, not birds.

The first video looked to me like the ISS. I haven't studied it, and am happy to take advice on that one.

The second video, if not cgi, is very interesting. If it was a RC acft, it was either quite large and a long way up, or a little acft flying very very fast, and in "whisper mode" so the camera operator didn't hear it.

In my years of unaided and nvg night flying, I never saw anything I couldn't explain. So I am damn jealous that this camera operator has seen over a few days what I have waited a whole career for - something quite out of the ordinary.

the second video is the most interesting as the lights seem to move in a triangular fixed position but also rotate in formation,but i cant help thinking that geese and some other large birds do fly in traingular/echelon type formations and the 1st and 3rd videos i`d say are almost certainly showing just that-provided a goose would show up on an i.r camera in the first place!?

This is a cool thread. Theres one question that I have for the OP. There are speech bubbles added to the film saying things like "Not visible to the naked eye". Is this supposed to mean that NO ONE could see those objects unaided , or are you merely suggesting that it would take a very good set of peepers indeed to spot them amongst a star feild?
The only reason I ask , is that I seem to have pretty good eyesight, and I can usualy make out the space station when it passes over.... would you say that even so I would not have been able to spot this triangular formation , even if I was looking right at it ? If so , this poses an interesting question about the NV you are using . I thought NV merely amplified existing light sources, I wasnt aware that it could make an invisible object appear bright and distinct.

reply to post by MR1159


I re-read SJE98's post and I could not tell which one of the three videos he was talking about.

Could you tell us in what conditions did you saw birds through night-vision goggles?

And don't be jealous, maybe if you were there you could explain it.

You can't see birds very well at all in any conditions; at least with the PV6's I used. If you are trying to observe a non-illuminated object, the better the ambient lighting (i.e. partial moon, or bright starlight, or moderate metropolitan lighting), the clearer the object will be.

The thing to remembers with NVG's is that they pick up visible light and near-infrared. Hence you are able to use IR lighting that is bright using NVG's, but (almost always) invisible to the naked eye. This is very useful when you are using a powerful IR searchlight.

So, the videos may have been showing:
1. UFO's with very dim visible lighting, which may be visible to the naked eye, or
2. UFO's emitting IR energy, which is not apparent to the naked eye. Therefore these objects would not be seen unaided.

reply to post by MR1159


Sorry for keep on asking you these questions, but when you saw birds though night-vision goggle, what was your situation? Were you on the ground looking up and saw the birds or were you in the air (on an aeroplane or helicopter, obviously ) looking at the birds above, at the same level or bellow you?

I ask this because I have seen seagulls flying at night, and they are very bright when seen with visible light (I have no night-vision camera, the one I use only uses a light enhancing system that reduces the frame rate).

reply to post by ArMaP


I don't mind the questions.

The answer is that I was in many different contexts, but from the airborne vantage point; mainly in helicopters.

I see where you are coming from with regards to observing birds at night. I can recall on many occasions seeing seagulls flying along a beach-front at night, front-lit by promenade lighting against a dark night sky. They stood out like airborne beacons. However, as soon as you put a distance between any object (bird or whatever), the amount of reflectance is diminished.

Most times when seeing (or not quite seeing) birds while flying on goggles, I was outside urban areas, in natural ambient lighting from moon and/or stars. This means that any object in the sky is back-lit, and therefore in silhouette; so it will not stand out at all.

To effectively observe an object at night (aided or unaided) you require:
1. Adequate reflected light from the object,
2. Light (visible or IR) emission from the object, or
3. The (dark) object to pass in front of an illuminated background.

THIS is no damn bird...

img296.imageshack.us...

reply to post by atsbeliever


As far as I remember (and I am not going to re-read the whole thread), the only person that keeps on talking about birds in that video is you, so I don't understand why you keep on talking about it.

The second video of the fast speeding Freemont-triangle from the 5th of December 2008 is now mentioned at www.ufocasebook.com... first page ("Breaking UFO News Reports") as "01-30-09-Video: Triangle UFO in Night Vision": www.ufocasebook.com...

Their source:
www.metacafe.com...

it is a flock of geese you morons _javascript:icon('')

So is this a radio controlled (RC) model plane or what? I visited www.youtube.com... for updates but there are none.

In my opinion it could be hoaxed with a RC.

I envy you guys, you have plenty mysterious places and ufo sighting daily. Here in belgium, we got nothin. Exept the wave in 1989 but i still was a baby that time, damn me! Im going to buy an infrared camera but its not easy to find. Someone can tell me where to buy a good one? Links?

Those videos are no hoax.

I saw the EXACT same thing a while back, with a naked eye.

See this thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I just made the connection when I saw this thread today. Video three shows what I saw, from about 32 seconds to 47 seconds on the video.

The formation I watched did not break up, it maintained it's structure until it drifted from my sight.

What in the world could it be???

reply to post by interestedalways


The fact that you saw something like that does not mean that the videos are not hoaxes, but I don't think the third video is a hoax, I think it's just a group of large birds, I don't know about other birds, but seagulls are appear very bright in a night sky.

Thats complete bull, theres NO WAY they would risk the public seeing these highly top secret craft just for the 'conveiniance' of transporting them from A to B and in all likely hood, they would keep such a thing at one location preferably the most top secret, least likely to be seen location such as groom lake where they have thousands of miles of empty desert to test these things. They would NOT be flying them around from base to base. F18s sure, top secret anti gravity craft with propulsion that could instantly end all oil & pollution crisis..? NO.


Testing of such craft would most likely take place deeper inside the base arena. Like someone said, theres no way in hell they would even risk speculation of such craft belonging to the US by flying it ANYWHERE NEAR it could be seen, not technology of THIS magnitude. This is a quantitative leap
from anything Stealth was over conventional jets back in the day..to go from even Stealth to Anti Gravity systems which these triangles/Ufos appear to be is on the order of thousands of years advancements over what we currently understand and know..and you think they would fly that over downtown Las Vegas..gimme a BREAK..

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by atsbelieverno government agency would be flying their ultra top secret aircraft over a populated area you might as well give the blueprints to the Russians or Chinese.

BTW have you noticed where Vandenburg, Area 51, Edwards, Nellis, Nevada Test site, Tonopah, Los Alamos Labs and Lawrence Livermore Labs as well as the Lockheed Skunk works, Boeing Phantom works and the Navy Swamp Works are located?

Go look them up... MOST of them are near and around the heaviest populated areas in the US. Please show us just how they would get from point A to point B WITHOUT flying over populated areas at some point?

No worries about the Russians and Chinese... they are all in on it... even Buzz Aldrin is working for Gravwave LLC a company doing anti gravity research with the Chinese...

And the public? Who cares... they have their Alien cover story in case anyone spots something

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