Canada Admits - Alien Technology Operated by the USA

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Well, I'm sure that Hellyer definitely believes in what he's saying. Of course, he held the position in the 60's. In '67, he inaugurated a UFO landing pad. He's done some other strange things since then.

Just as a quick aside, that landing pad was regarded as a joke at the time, as I remember it. There was a lot of federal money going around to help celebrate the centennial of Confederation, and these guys applied using a whole lot of whimsy and rhetoric about peace on earth, togetherness, etc. Stuff that could easily be applied to international relations as well as English/French.

This was by no means to be considered as a real, live government sponsored space dock.

Originally posted by killartofu
what does this guy have to gain by making this up?

Exactly! He knows he will be ridiculed either way so he might as well speak the truth and use his stature to add a few more ounces of credibility to the disclosure movement.

Great question!

[edit on 23-12-2008 by EarthCitizen07]

Originally posted by damagedoor

Originally posted by bluestreak53
I didn't say it added to his credibility. I only stated that is what he said and it was printed in the Ottawa Journal in July 1967. Check out your local archives to read the microfilm archives of the Ottawa Journal. If your local library doesn't have them, you can probably order through the library.

That is the primary source. Wikipedia is not a primary source and is edited by anyone with an opinion. It is only slightly more reliable that ATS as a source for information.

Excellent. But this is misleading, since your quote in the post before, and the link in this one, are from potentially biased secondary sources: specifically, UFO websites that simply claim Hellyer was reported as saying something in the Ottawa Journal. They don't quote the primary source, as far as I can see. Have you read it? Or are you taking their word for it? Speaking generally, I don't understand why they wouldn't quote him directly if he said something interesting.

The original quotes contained in the referenced entries are quotations from the newspaper article. The article was presumeably prepared by a journalist who had listened to Hellyer and took notes. It is not unusual that the story did not quote the source and merely transcribed what was said. This is still done everyday in newspapers, radio and TV news broadcasts.
However, as I wish to erase doubts you have cast on the veracity of the story based on your feeling that UFO researchers are biased and are therefore perhaps making up this story, I will be making further efforts to try to obtain full transcripts of the original news stories. (Note: I have since read that this was also reported in the Winnipeg Free Press, so it is quite possibly written up in many newspapers across Canada.) I will report back on this thread or open a new thread when I obtain confirmation. This will likely be sometime in January.

Originally posted by damagedoor
However, let's take their word for it. He did say there was a UFO landing strip.

Which means that, in the 1960s, Hellyer admitted to a (mere) 13-year-old military operation involving aliens. At the opening of a similar tourist attraction. Without, thus far, being "disappeared" in any way.

Actually, it was not a "landing strip" but a designated area where they would be allowed to land without threatening interception by the RCAF. It was obviously the government's intention that if such a landing did occur, it would be in an area under military control, out of public view and away from public access. My understanding the "landing zone" was the full area or a large part of the Suffield Research Station which is about 1000 square miles of open grassland.

Although Hellyer's revelation was quite possibly an unplanned disclosure, there is no evidence the military or anyone else in Canada has "disappeared" government ministers (or anyone else) due to breaking of classified information on government involvement with UFOs.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Exactly! He knows he will be ridiculed either way so he might as well speak the truth and use his stature to add a few more ounces of credibility to the disclosure movement.

But what ridicule has he recieved? So far, it has been fawning praise from those who are hearing what they want to hear.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Well, I'm sure that Hellyer definitely believes in what he's saying. Of course, he held the position in the 60's. In '67, he inaugurated a UFO landing pad. He's done some other strange things since then.

Just as a quick aside, that landing pad was regarded as a joke at the time, as I remember it. There was a lot of federal money going around to help celebrate the centennial of Confederation, and these guys applied using a whole lot of whimsy and rhetoric about peace on earth, togetherness, etc. Stuff that could easily be applied to international relations as well as English/French.

This was by no means to be considered as a real, live government sponsored space dock.

If you have been reading through this thread, Johnny Canuck, you would discover that no one has said that St. Paul's "UFO Landing Pad" was anything but a rather whimsical project to attract tourists and was St. Paul's 1967 "Confederation Project".

The real story was it was here at the opening of the "UFO Landing Pad" that Canadian Defense Minister Paul Hellyer disclosed that the Canadian government had designated a "UFO landing area" at the Suffield Research Station and military base in southern Alberta in 1954. There is no evidence this was a joke on the aliens or the military.

I hope you are not deliberately trying to confuse readers on this thread about the significance of Hellyer's disclosure about the UFO landing zone in Suffield which had been kept secret from the Canadian public for 13 years from 1954 to 1967.

But what ridicule has he recieved? So far, it has been fawning praise from those who are hearing what they want to hear.

i feel that its political suicide to come out and say something like that. he has to feel very strong about this subject or be VERY STUPID to say this stuff in public without having any poof.



when a random person see a Ufo the first thing that happen is people doubt them, the people in power have done such a good job a hiding the story that when ligit people do come forward everyone is still doubting them. if this guy is making all this up why would people show up to hear him (grant you will always get fanatics and that sort of thing) but if you go up in front of people and clam to be part of the canadian government, he has to know people are going to check this. like i said you would have to be VERY STUPID to call a press conference claim all this and not think people are gonna do a background check.

[edit on 23-12-2008 by killartofu]

Originally posted by bluestreak53
I hope you are not deliberately trying to confuse readers on this thread about the significance of Hellyer's disclosure about the UFO landing zone in Suffield which had been kept secret from the Canadian public for 13 years from 1954 to 1967.

If you'll note the line I quoted, you'll see exactly what I was addressing. You'll also note that I said..."as an aside". Finally, I have heard Mr. Hellyer speak in person, so no need to lecture me on the subject.

But thanks very much for your interest, just the same.

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Well, you have a computer correct...? see those black squares ... well thats hard plastic epoxy type materal... now get a microscope really strong one ok... this is a computer chip... ok - now get a old TV set vacuum tube ... what do these have in common except the output...
on really expensive prototype chips you can sort of build structures that contains circuity ... follow me so far ... let me ask you a question ... why are chips mounted on circuit boards? ok, circuit boards allow you to wire the components together to perform different functions of sight, sound and interfaces if you have been following the progression of computer technology you see it has progressed 10million fold in just 40 short years. we reach a point and we stall for a few years and then another break through and we re-engineer this thing called a computer. I envision once we have this interface with a human to thought and recall feedback much like these interfaces ... www.clipser.com...
I belive some of this technology is being used to make people tired -forgetful - dependant - helpless - depressed and many more societle ill's are a resent phenomena ... I mean they are giving kids drugs to be better students OK...
anyway -- this is an ATS exclusive release "We Are Screwed if This is True" and it has an air of being so...

We do not have a Prime Minister of defense. Our Prime Minister is the equivalent to your President.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by bluestreak53
I hope you are not deliberately trying to confuse readers on this thread about the significance of Hellyer's disclosure about the UFO landing zone in Suffield which had been kept secret from the Canadian public for 13 years from 1954 to 1967.

If you'll note the line I quoted, you'll see exactly what I was addressing. You'll also note that I said..."as an aside". Finally, I have heard Mr. Hellyer speak in person, so no need to lecture me on the subject.

But thanks very much for your interest, just the same.

I'm not sure what point you are making when you say that you have heard Hellyer speak in person - other than to suggest that this might make you an authority on him. I don't know, because you don't say how this is relevant to the other points you were making.

No offense intended, and I wasn't intending to lecture to you. I was merely pointing out a big "Who cares about the stupid UFO Landing Pad in St. Paul? Its not the issue!".

If you aren't interested in the Canadian government's involvement in UFO history then why are you bothering to even read the thread? I don't think Hellyer's current opinions make a huge difference but his role as Canadian Minister of Defense in the late 1960's is relevant to the study of UFOs. And as I pointed out, the significance of the St. Paul event was that he used the opening of a tourist attraction to point out that Canada had designated a UFO landing zone in Suffield Experimental Station in 1954 and had kept it secret for 13 years.



[edit on 24-12-2008 by bluestreak53]

Originally posted by bluestreak53
The original quotes contained in the referenced entries are quotations from the newspaper article. The article was presumeably prepared by a journalist who had listened to Hellyer and took notes. It is not unusual that the story did not quote the source and merely transcribed what was said. This is still done everyday in newspapers, radio and TV news broadcasts.
However, as I wish to erase doubts you have cast on the veracity of the story based on your feeling that UFO researchers are biased and are therefore perhaps making up this story, I will be making further efforts to try to obtain full transcripts of the original news stories. (Note: I have since read that this was also reported in the Winnipeg Free Press, so it is quite possibly written up in many newspapers across Canada.) I will report back on this thread or open a new thread when I obtain confirmation. This will likely be sometime in January.

It would be interesting to see. I'm not accusing those sites of making the story up, by the way: it's just that you mentioned Wiki as being potentially unreliable, then linked to an article that could, in itself, have been written by anyone. As I said, it'd be interesting to see exactly how it was reported, though I suspect it's one of those "men stare at goats, goats do nothing"-type military follies.

Although Hellyer's revelation was quite possibly an unplanned disclosure, there is no evidence the military or anyone else in Canada has "disappeared" government ministers (or anyone else) due to breaking of classified information on government involvement with UFOs.

I don't imagine there is. I simply meant that, if there was anything of real import to the landing area revelation - rather than just a "we did it; it was stupid" throwaway line - then Hellyer disclosed something very important a mere decade after it happened. Which makes a lot of the current "he has to talk in code because it's all so dangerous" theories seem a little out-of-place.

Originally posted by bluestreak53
I hope you are not deliberately trying to confuse readers on this thread ...

If you aren't interested in the Canadian government's involvement in UFO history then why are you bothering to even read the thread?

Please, no intuitive leaps as to my intentions.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by bluestreak53
I hope you are not deliberately trying to confuse readers on this thread ...

If you aren't interested in the Canadian government's involvement in UFO history then why are you bothering to even read the thread?

Please, no intuitive leaps as to my intentions.

There seems to be a lot of this going on in this thread. Telling people who disagree or who are questioning Hellyer to leave or accusing them of trolling.

Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by bluestreak53
I hope you are not deliberately trying to confuse readers on this thread ...

If you aren't interested in the Canadian government's involvement in UFO history then why are you bothering to even read the thread?

Please, no intuitive leaps as to my intentions.

There seems to be a lot of this going on in this thread. Telling people who disagree or who are questioning Hellyer to leave or accusing them of trolling.

Pardon me, but I asked a very relevant question. I didn't make "intuitive leaps", I asked a question. If he had been bothering to read through the posts he would have noted that no one ever stated that the UFO landing pad at St. Paul was anything but a silly tourist attraction, so what was the point is saying so other than to deflect attention away from WHAT HELLYER SAID when he opened the bloody thing.

I didn't accuse him of trolling and I did not ask him to leave and I have never told anyone like that. I was making a point that was relevant to the thread.

As I stated, I have no personal interest in what Hellyer has had to say recently but he was the Canadian Minister of Defense in the 1960s, so what he said in the time period he served as Minister of Defense is certainly at least as important as anything he says now as an orinary member of the public.

Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Exactly! He knows he will be ridiculed either way so he might as well speak the truth and use his stature to add a few more ounces of credibility to the disclosure movement.

But what ridicule has he recieved? So far, it has been fawning praise from those who are hearing what they want to hear.

Actually, you are 100% wrong there. He has been widely criticized in the UFO community for many of the points that many people on this thread have made. He has also been given "fawning" praise (a very loaded word there "fawning", that serves no useful purpose but to ridicule anyone who thinks Hellyer may be making some relevant points). Your language itself reduces your point to a veiled personal attack.

Originally posted by bluestreak53 If he had been bothering to read through the posts he would have noted that no one ever stated that the UFO landing pad at St. Paul was anything but a silly tourist attraction, so what was the point is saying so other than to deflect attention away from WHAT HELLYER SAID when he opened the bloody thing.

Are you having difficulty with the words "Just as an aside..."? In sports it's called colour commentary. It is providing a bit of context to the issue. If it had already been mentioned that the saucer pad was not to be taken seriously, it must have been during that part of the thread where the continual re-stating of counter-opinions was starting to cause my vision to blur.

I'm going to suggest that you do not make assumptions as to my true intentions, especially after have already been asked not to. I welcome you to ATS, but don't go seeing a conspiracy whenever you don't like what you see.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by bluestreak53 If he had been bothering to read through the posts he would have noted that no one ever stated that the UFO landing pad at St. Paul was anything but a silly tourist attraction, so what was the point is saying so other than to deflect attention away from WHAT HELLYER SAID when he opened the bloody thing.

Are you having difficulty with the words "Just as an aside..."? In sports it's called colour commentary. It is providing a bit of context to the issue. If it had already been mentioned that the saucer pad was not to be taken seriously, it must have been during that part of the thread where the continual re-stating of counter-opinions was starting to cause my vision to blur.

I'm going to suggest that you do not make assumptions as to my true intentions, especially after have already been asked not to. I welcome you to ATS, but don't go seeing a conspiracy whenever you don't like what you see.

Well fair, enough. I didn't see your comment as a conspiracy but it did appear as if you were trying to change the subject. I accept that you were not trying to do this and had merely decided to make a point about St. Paul's tourist attraction. It was as much the placement and timing of your post in the thread than its content that may have suggested to me that you were possibly trying to divert attention away from what might be more relevant material.

I'm sorry if my comments hurt you or bothered you in any way.

In any case, I hardly see any point to continue posting to this thread as it has once again devolved into discussions about discussions, not about the thread topic.

I may post to another thread if I get to the library in the next month to locate the original news stories about Hellyer's disclosure that the Canadian government had established a landing zone for UFOs in 1954 at the Suffield Research Station.

[edit on 24-12-2008 by bluestreak53]

[edit on 24-12-2008 by bluestreak53]

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Hear hear. I agree

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Werd. It would be the Canadian Prime Minister, or the Canadian Minister of Defense.... There is not a Prime Minister of Defense in my country. That little misrepresented piece of info kinda turns me off from this vid...