Two million year old find!

Originally posted by serbsta
More and more of these finds keep coming up. Im also intrigued as to how they actually concluded the age of 2,000,000 when C14-dating is supposed to be limited to 45,000 (my science teacher, correct if im wrong). I wonder what conclusions theyll draw up from these finds, surely it puts to bed a lot of what we already believe about our past.

Although you're right about the limits of C14 dating, they didn't use it. A number of us said they probably used potassium-argon dating.

Its only a MATTER OF TIME until a fossilised dinosaur is found with a humanoid inside its belly!

Perhaps a faked one, but in real time they missed each other by about 45 million years. Some of the smaller ones ate our early mammalian ancestors... and vice-versa. 60 million years ago, our ancestors were four-legged egg thieves.

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Perhaps a faked one, but in real time they missed each other by about 45 million years. Some of the smaller ones ate our early mammalian ancestors... and vice-versa. 60 million years ago, our ancestors were four-legged egg thieves.

Says who? You sound like the discovery channel

Human footprints next to dinosaur footprints

We all should realize that all things past are theories nothing can be proven as fact. Even more so of they happened "millions of years" ago

Sometimes I don't understand how people can just accept stuff that scientists spew at the public as the truth. They all are just human beings, with their own views on reality. And they all have a lot at stake. Few scientists do the stuff that they do for science, more for money and fame. If you people worked with them you should understand that.


Those tools found in the cave, the only thing we know about it is that it is dead. All other "facts" are fiction and theories

Originally posted by captiva
Read somewhere, probably in here, that part of the big picture plan is for there to be some artifact that dissproves everything we believe to be true about our origins and especially religion. NWO conspiracy stuff....lets wait to see whats found. If its 2 million years old I guess that in itself debunks a lot of what we already believe to be true !

respects

I think there's some sort of misunderstanding fostered by the article. These are stone tools, but they weren't made by "homo sapiens" humans. It's one of the human ancestors (homo erectus, I think.)

Scientists know that humans (ancestors of h. sapeins) have been around for nearly 5 million years. Earlier human ancestors walked on all fours and looked ape-like (Procounsul.)

The article that was linked was from a magazine and is very nice and explains things well. Here's the link again, if you missed it:
www.questsciencemagazine.co.za...

Originally posted by Saidar
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Sorry no distant supernovas don't 'reset' radioactive materials

Maybe is said it wrong, not reset but the decaying process can be tampered with, and even more so when the nuclei of atoms are excited by bombardment of solar particles, that are provided by distant super novas. That is a fact. All radioactive dating methods are rendered useless by the fact that the decaying process are not the same through the years.

Do you have any info on that statement?
I've never heard of anything interfering with decay rates.
Sorry to go off topic, it will just be brief.

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Do you have any info on that statement? I've never heard of anything interfering with decay rates. Sorry to go off topic, it will just be brief.

One of my chemistry professors once brought up the issue... I'm on vacation atm so can't give you any valid scientific book reference, but here are some articles where the decay process was changed by simply lowering the temperature and other stuff that I didn't read!

Control decay

Control decay

Originally posted by Saidar
Says who? You sound like the discovery channel

Human footprints next to dinosaur footprints

Those aren't human footprints -- in fact, even most of the creationist sites dismiss those.

As for "says who", well, I have worked in a museum paleontology lab for the past 3 years. I work on dinosaurs. I'm no paleontologist but I've worked to make molds of footprints and I've seen more bones and footprints than most folks.

It's easy to fool folks if they've never seen any of the material before. I think my favorite one is the "fossilized cowboy boot" that supposedly has a leg in it. To many, it's a convincing thing. But if you've studied comparative vertebrate anatomy (I have), then it's instantly obvious that what's sticking out of the boot is the lower leg of a cow and that the whole unit isn't a fossil.

Few scientists do the stuff that they do for science, more for money and fame. If you people worked with them you should understand that.

I have worked with scientists -- a very fine epidemiologist, a research physician, two paleontologists, one of the top forensic investigators in the country, and a pack of biologists and information science scientists. I have gone on archaeological digs and talked to many archaeologists. I have no idea where you are getting your information from, but my experience doesn't jive with your claims.

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Scientists know that humans (ancestors of h. sapeins) have been around for nearly 5 million years. Earlier human ancestors walked on all fours and looked ape-like (Procounsul.) The article that was linked was from a magazine and is very nice and explains things well. Here's the link again, if you missed it:

There's that word again, KNOW. They don't know anything it all comes down to what your word views and perspectives are. All the "ape creatures" have been proven unreliable or fake or a scam, go do your own research. So scientifically speaking they don't know anything except that it is dead.

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Those are human footprints. At least that is what my eyes are telling me, so I must be a half blind. Maybe I am I don't know

I'm grateful for you that you have had wonderful experiences with scientists. I did not say all of them are greedy fame seeking people.

Seeing a lot of bones like you have, doesn't make you the all knowing being, with all respect said, and neither am I. If you get a bone with a date stamped on it please let me know for I have never seen one.

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Dinosaurs are said to be 165 million years old. If we can find their bones in the sand dont you think we would have found some *advanced* civilization by now that went missing millions of years ago?????

I've seen pictures of 250 million year old trilobite fossiles with human booted footprints on them. Could it be a man? no? So was it an alien? A time traveler?

Theres also the Ica stones which show human and dinosaur coexisting.

Then theres all these myths of men slaying dragons. whats a dragon if not a dinosaur.

also dinosaurs exist into modern times. Alligators and these things

Originally posted by guyopitz
I've seen pictures of 250 million year old trilobite fossiles with human booted footprints on them. Could it be a man? no? So was it an alien? A time traveler?

Theres also the Ica stones which show human and dinosaur coexisting.

Then theres all these myths of men slaying dragons. whats a dragon if not a dinosaur.

also dinosaurs exist into modern times. Alligators and these things

i agree that it is greatly possible MOST of human life was made extinct when the dinosaurs became extinct, but how come we can not find 70 million year old cities under ours? i just cant believe that there was no advancement in technology in MILLIONS of years. and we go from no computers in the 60s to high definition super fast souped up computers 40 years later.

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I understand carbon 14 dating is accurate to some 5,000 some years. The rest is guesswork, wishful thinking, gloryseeking and grant money.

Originally posted by guyopitz
I've seen pictures of 250 million year old trilobite fossiles with human booted footprints on them. Could it be a man? no? So was it an alien? A time traveler?

Theres also the Ica stones which show human and dinosaur coexisting.

Then theres all these myths of men slaying dragons. whats a dragon if not a dinosaur.

also dinosaurs exist into modern times. Alligators and these things

the first image on that site is a fake...the rest however are very interesting..thanks for that...

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"we went from sumeria being the birthplace of civilization 6000 years old, to 2 million year old artifacts in a cave."

I hope you aren't trying to compare the two: We certainly have other evidence of Homo Sapien Sapiens living side by side with Neandertals, dating back at least 40,000, and evidence from a cave in what is now known as "Israel" dating back 100,000 years of Homo Sapien Sapien remains.

"I'm thinking Homonoids, not Homosapiens. I don't think we ran around for almost 2 million years without thinking of building a city."

You're incorrect.

Originally posted by Swatman

Originally posted by guyopitz
I've seen pictures of 250 million year old trilobite fossiles with human booted footprints on them. Could it be a man? no? So was it an alien? A time traveler?

Theres also the Ica stones which show human and dinosaur coexisting.

Then theres all these myths of men slaying dragons. whats a dragon if not a dinosaur.

also dinosaurs exist into modern times. Alligators and these things

i agree that it is greatly possible MOST of human life was made extinct when the dinosaurs became extinct, but how come we can not find 70 million year old cities under ours? i just cant believe that there was no advancement in technology in MILLIONS of years. and we go from no computers in the 60s to high definition super fast souped up computers 40 years later.

Precisely

I believe that the wrong questions are asked. The real questions are:

-Is the earth as old as "scientists" say it is
-Did humans live with dinosaurs?
-Are dinosaurs(smaller versions) still alive today in unexplored areas like the amazon and Africa. but not shown as fact on TV?

Hundreds of painting on pottery and in caves shows dinosaurs with humans. I'd rather believe those people than today's "scientists"

In 1938 a fish was caught in the ocean, thought to be the ancestors of dinosaurs. Yes you heard right ancestor of the dinosaurs! Well now everyone thought, "what a miracle, the species survived for 360 million years!!" But it didn't cross their minds that maybe the specie is not that old.

Dinosaur fish

Unbelievable how brain washed and stupid people are today.

Sooner or later the truth will be revealed, and findings like those in the cave will be the source

Originally posted by JoeBarna
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It is not the maker of the stones, which have been estimated to be at least 6000 years old. It is the size of the largest. They are in the neighborhood of 2000 tons. I could deal with hundreds of slaves moving pyramid stones in Egypt weighing on the average of 20-30 tons, some as large as 70 tons. But stones weighing almost 2000 tons? Can you explain that? I can't. That is what shattered my belief system.

Many of our assumptions about how ancient peoples did things is just that - assumptions. Nobody really knows.

Archeologists, and to a great extent the general public, believe that ancient peoples were basically backward. Running around killing animals with arrows and spears and doing all the manual work with mass slave labour and lots of rope! I think that is insulting to our ancestors and an indication of our own ignorant arrogance. A hefty dose of latent racism is also part and parcel of our analysis, a very modern and very obvious example being "Columbus discovered America" hmmm I suspect the Indians might have been there first!

Ancient peoples were clearly far more inventive and capable than we given them credit for so far.

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Dinosaurs weren't around 2 million yrs. ago.

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They didn't have cities 2 million yrs. ago.

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