Livni sparks Arab 'transfer' row

Originally posted by ufoorbhunter
reply to post by masonwatcher

 

Take a step backwards in defence if you want Masonwatcher. It was you who tried to define Israel as a nation of European immigrants in the usual manner of the anti Israel brigade and dropped to the ethno level in your theories! Israel is majority Jewish not Ashkenazi, it is non European, but that doesn't fit in with your ethno agenda does it? Israel 10% Sephardi lol? Where do you get this (typical) propaganda from?

I see you have latched on to that titbit, after all you need a fig leaf. I think the elected leader of Israel, Livni, broached the 'ethno agenda'. Regardless, the Ashkenazi make up 90% of the Jewish population but I note that you are trying to wedge in the Sephardim in the conversation because they are Europeans as well. I did not refute it and did not exclude them from their immigrant status. But in the end I really don't care so how about letting the Palestinians go free?

Double entry.

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reply to post by Jb0311NY


Right on brother. You might like to know that Israel demanded the US tax payer's money be paid to them in Euros because. Israel has no confidence in US dollars.

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reply to post by masonwatcher


Sephardi in general immigrated from North Africa, Mizrahi in general from the ME. Why do you not understand such simple geography? The propaganda out there that you (may) have been educated by will say Israel is a European colony when it is clearly not.

Originally posted by ufoorbhunter
reply to post by masonwatcher

 

Sephardi in general immigrated from North Africa, Mizrahi in general from the ME. Why do you not understand such simple geography? The propaganda out there that you (may) have been educated by will say Israel is a European colony when it is clearly not.

Again like I said, I don't care how you arrange your furniture. Why are you flogging that dead horse? How can one keep up with zionist geography, it's always changing.

reply to post by masonwatcher

10% Sephardi lol! beaten down by the Ashkenazi lol! You really ought to start watching Al Jazera instead of that Jihadi propaganda stuff.

Originally posted by ufoorbhunter
reply to post by masonwatcher

 

10% Sephardi lol! beaten down by the Ashkenazi lol! You really ought to start watching Al Jazera instead of that Jihadi propaganda stuff.

So you are an Ashkenazi? Well If you want declare victory go a head. You need a feeling of supremacy because it's in your nature. One of the 'Chosen' aren't you and the rest of us stupid Goyim and Shvartzer are not as clever as you, huh?

reply to post by masonwatcher

Me an Ashkenazi? Lol you are funny, last time you labelled me as a working class white male living on a UK council estate, fine now I'm an Askenazi! You really do like to stick a label on people and put them in a box by their colour, class and religion!

Originally posted by ufoorbhunter
reply to post by masonwatcher

 

Me an Ashkenazi? Lol you are funny, last time you labelled me as a working class white male living on a UK council estate, fine now I'm an Askenazi! You really do like to stick a label on people and put them in a box by their colour, class and religion!

...beaten down by the Ashkenazi lol!

You said that. Either you forget your own gibberish or you are trying to provoke an exchange. I do recall that I wiped you on the floor in our last conversation so I understand why you are all over the place now. You want round two.

You really do like to stick a label on people and put them in a box by their colour, class and religion!

That debate was about a wholly separate matter involving working class Muslims in the UK. Of course you being a zionist means that you have effectively declared war on 2 billion Muslims where ever they may be. Unfortunately your kind hides in the background and pits other peoples such as the Americans and the disadvantaged whites in the Uk against Muslims. In fact zionists are joining the BNP and other neonazi groups to stampede the world into a conflagration never mind the US govt. So excuse me if I accidentally confuse zionism with neonazism; after all it is easier to put a camel through the eye of a needle than distinguish between the two forms of fascism.

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reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


1. saudi arabia wasnt created on someone elses Land, unless for the last 50+ years they have been expanding and taking on land that i dont know about?

granted their religous laws lack moral
then again saudi isnt 100% muslim.

then you go bahrin which doesnt recognise Israel but has Jewish ambasidor to their country. but thats a diffrent story.



2. I call Israelis the new Nazis Of the 21st century.

Unless you can tell me the following is Untrue

1. Isreal expands and still expanding in Land which is internationaly Palestine and illegally occupied which israel disputes.

2. Israeli Jews and Jews from europe still are getting land and property back which was stolen from them by Nazis.

3. Far right Jews and Jews who adovocate building in Palestinian land use their words god gave them the land, just like Nazis used the Term they were superier Race to others.

4. Palestinians will never have the chance to return to their homes or get their land back which was taken from them like the Jewish families and decendents have done from germany and other european countries.

5. Jews have the right to return based on their faith (even Neo nazis got in thanks to that, anti jews) even if they werent born in Israel.
which palestinians dont have the luxuary of even if they owned the land.

there are other points.

can you tell me those assesments arent true?

As long as Israel does what it does and the way it does it.
they are no Better then the Nazis

insted of trying to push the subject on to the Arabs lets stick with the Israeli issue
and leave it to a Topic dedicated to them and their lack of freedoms.



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reply to post by bodrul


1 -. You are correct. If of course 50 (or 60) years are the scale.
2 -: If when you say internationally recognized you mean 1948 partition plan, then indeed Israel is holding a lot of land that was supposed to be Palestinian. Only it takes two for a tango. 1948 partition plan was not recognized then by other side. So now it is not recognized by both. And yet one is a Nazi.
But ok, it is valid as far as i stand. So Israel occupies lands that are not theirs. I will emit further excuses - that i actually think are very important and show the situation in a little different light, but even without those it will be enough.
2- : Jews that lost assets in the WW2 receive money from Germany. Not property - unless it is proven in court of law. And definitely not land. I do not get how it makes Israel nazis???
3-: Settler movement in majority indeed uses religious motives, but it is in minority in Israel.Two parties that are representing them (and not only them but to get the point lets assume all voters are the same) are 1/6th of Knesset. 16 %. Correct me if i am wrong but in nazi Germany it was government policy. I always said that there are Jewish racists and Jewish supremacists.However using simple logic it does not mean that all Jews are racists/supremacists. This comparison is not valid.
4-: True. What is being discussed is money compensation but there will be a lot of people who would not like it, naturally. So here to occupant we add forceful eviction.
5 - :Also true. Lets add discrimination.
So - Israel is discriminating evicting occupant - being utterly black/white without any "shades of gray" stuff. Not nice picture.
But... If you judge Israel to be nazi state because of those parameters - add China. Add France. Add Turkey. Add Russian federation... Add pretty large chunk of the globe. Or is it different approach to all?
And Nazism ideology is not synonym to bad. It is something defined.
How would you fit anti-parliamentarian? Or collectivism?Or eugenics?
Or opposition to liberalism? Or anti-capitalism? Or a lot of other stuff that you simply cannot find in Israel no matter how many points you will bring. This is why i say that comparison to nazism is just to smear. Israeli actions in 1948 were cruel and brutal. As those of their opponents. Still does not make any of them nazis.

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


firstly
could you tell me what makes Israels actions justified and simmiler to the rest of the world and china?

you always bring it in, atleast when i compare Israeli to nazis i give clear examples.

i would like to see you give me clear examples of other countries evicting other people from their land in this day and age, as in take over that country and claim it as their own,

bomb their cuvilian infrontstructure on purpose and got away with it.



on your number 4

what happend after that? they rioted, attacked palestinian cuvilians
if it was vice versa the palestinians would have been Long dead from israeli bullet wounds or lying in a hostpital half dead.

there we have a prime example from your example.

on number 2
Decendents have had assets returned to them (some have had property, read a report in bbc news while ago, will look for it) others have opted for money. courts ruled the sales of land from Nazis to be iligal and none binding.


Israels actions make it a Nazi State, as much as you try to suger coat your country.

you ask why I say Israel is the new Nazi state
just for for refrence what i said in my first post and reply.
those are my reasons.

almost all the Things Nazi Germany has done
israel has done to palestine.

feel free again to point to other countries that are doing the same as israel to try and justify your self.

reply to post by bodrul

I see. So Israel is nazi because you say that it is nazi. Twice. That is not good enough. It is not magical chanting. You can call logic sugarcoating or whatever, but it does not change the fact that emotional finger pointing and declaring grey is black is not going to make it black. Unless you do it very often as someone suggested long ago.
Obviously settlers damaging Palestinian property and shooting and wounding people is very wrong. But it is not enough to claim that political system is X or Y or Z.

What is your precise (not cases for x or for y, nazism is complete political/economical system) definition of nazism?
Example (trying to help you out):
Nazism is about:
a) Racial supremacy.
b) Aggresiveness.
c) Discriminating to minority.
d) Forcefully removes original inhabitants.
e) Occupies other territories.
....
y) Israel is always considered nazi state.
z) If Israel does not fit into majority of cathegories check (y).
That kind of stuff.
Then i will be free to show you how many countries in 20th century did things that (exept y and z of course) fit into the same cathegories.

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


mmh nice way of strehing things,
for one israel is a Nazi state in my View, in your View its a Saint.

how about you rephrase your reply
and answer the question orginaly directed at you from the previous reply
when you compare Israel to others. only then will i answer to your A-Z

i am a curious person and would like to know, modern countries (older and younger then Israel that do what you say in this day and age)

im sure you expect a reply from in kind insted of just bullet points
vice versa

you shall get a nice reply from me tommorow after uni.
if you properly address the question

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reply to post by bodrul

Bodrul. Ever been to Isreal?

reply to post by bodrul


All right, i understand that you need time to make a list that would fit only to Israel and nazi Germany. It will take a lot of time and thought though with recent history.
By the way, about "nice way of stretching things" - i never ever said that Israel is saint.There is no need to put words in my mouth. I like my country but i am not blind and can see its problems. At least some.

As for your questions -

could you tell me what makes Israels actions justified and simmiler to the rest of the world and china?

Justified - i never said. Another "stretching it" thingy. Similar - i said and will prove.
Since from your points i concluded that nazi is occupying, discriminating and evicting by force:
China - occupied Tibet, discriminates Tibetans and their religious authority, a lot of Tibetans were forced to leave the country and even more fled. 1959 - to remind you.
France - occupied Algeria (and other places too) , forcefully relocated people in the war against FLN, discrimination was less severe though. 1954-1958. Or Indochina war...
Turkey - occupied part of Cyprus, displaced thousands, discrimination.
1974.
Russian empire/USSR/Russian federation - occupied Chechnya, forcefully evicted Chechen, discrimination.
Is it enough?
As for taking over somebodies country (not land, country) - again "stretching" ha? When there was Palestinian independent entity in the last 500 years? Or Arab independent entity in Palestine? It was BRITISH mandate of Palestine that was being cut into three parts.
And about infrastructure bombing - it is what happens in conflicts. Everywhere. I am sure that in last war - Georgian/Russian - both sides did not bomb infrastructures... Yeah right!
Settlers rioting - ok, agree. I said that there is discrimination.Plus - those settlers that did it, criminals as they are, are still Israeli citizens. Palestinians in Hebron are not. IDF is Israeli army. You would not question if Palestinian security forces would act different to rioting Palestinians and Israelis.
As for land - i have not heard (and did not find in short net search) about land taken from owners in Germany (Poland, USSR... Syria) and returned to Jews that it was taken from.
And as for "almost all did by nazi Germany was done by Israel to Palestinians" is a little general. Lets take Poland. Germany declared war on Poland (not Poland on Germany, as Arab coalition on Israel). It captured it together with USSR. Then Poland was divided into several districts and in some of them Polish population was thrown out by force AFTER THE WAR ENDED - year or so after , and replaced with German one. Not during open hostilities. Polish were OFFICIALLY declared lesser level of humans and workforce for their masters. I see more differences then similarities. And i am not even talking about Jewish/Roma's final solution things. With all that Polish population shrunk while being occupied, Palestinian population after initial heavy decline following 1948 grew faster then Jewish one.

Funny how zionists flock into any discussion involving the latest horror by Israel and degrade the discussion with tangential rubbish.

This posting is about the prime minister of Israel suggesting that people living in their homes be forcibly removed from Israel. The idea itself is corrupt, defies the basic precepts of human rights and is without a doubt, nazi like.

There is no possibility of beautifying this grotesque suggestion, so zionists will try and detour the debate by asking dumb questions like, "Have you been to Israel?" as if this is some qualifying requirement to have a sense of reasoning.

The debasement of the Palestinian people and their suffering by these creatures is an indictment against the world for our collective inaction. People power brought down Apartheid South Africa and I would suggest the same process be applied to Apartheid Israel even if states and companies are threatened by zionists.

reply to post by masonwatcher


Funny how one calls entire nation "creatures" and then considers somebody else nazi. Goebbels will be proud of you.Keep on the good job.
Watch!!!!