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Originally posted by ipsedixit Gun control is an obvious one. Gun control has nothing to do with crime and everything to do with getting guns out of the hands of responsible citizens.

There's no gun "control" in Canada. There is gun registration (for those who choose to register), but no real control. All they frown on are those guns that are not used for hunting purposes. But then if you choose to have a man-killer, of course you're going to be looked at funny-like.

You can get crossbows and all sorts of interesting things just down the street from where I live. (Central Vancouver). And it's all perfectly legal.

And as a martial artist, I am allowed more leeway for certain 'training' tools..

Originally posted by juniperberry

Originally posted by ipsedixit Gun control is an obvious one. Gun control has nothing to do with crime and everything to do with getting guns out of the hands of responsible citizens.

There's no gun "control" in Canada. There is gun registration (for those who choose to register), but no real control. All they frown on are those guns that are not used for hunting purposes. But then if you choose to have a man-killer, of course you're going to be looked at funny-like.

You can get crossbows and all sorts of interesting things just down the street from where I live. (Central Vancouver). And it's all perfectly legal.

And as a martial artist, I am allowed more leeway for certain 'training' tools..

No gun control in Canada?

Any device to muffle a firearm is banned. All automatic firearms are banned. All long guns that are modified to a length under 660mm or barrel under 457 mm are banned. All firearms that are not used for sport or hunting or are antiques are banned. Large capacity cartridges must have seperate registration. Of rifles, pistols, and shotguns not described above, there are approximately 100 different brands or types that are banned.

stason.org...

There is PLENTY of firearm control in Canada.

Furthermore weapons that are not firearms but are banned include:
crossbows with

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Crossbows with stalks less than 400 mm
nunchaks
shuriken (throwing stars)
belts with blades
manrikigusari
rings with blades
push daggers
spiked wristbands
brass knuckles
blowguns
Kiyoga Baton (steel cobras)
morning stars (ball with spikes)
devices that dispense immobilizing gas (tear gas, mace, etc)

That's it.

I'm buying guns for Christmas.

That was the plan, wasn't it?

reply to post by king9072


hey,we got the same three tall posts erected next to loheed hyway in Mission B.C. no signage either

Sorry I haven't written in a while, I was out but I will read all the comments and post replies if necessary...

reply to post by systemic.aberration


Thank you soo much for finding that document! I was looking for it and couldn't find it. I'm reading it right now.

And yes, the SPP was met with many "conspiracy theories" as they even mentioned in a previous document I post on here, it makes sense that they would change it into something less questionable and stop having the three countries meet all together.

To all those who say this is BS just because there is no military visible in Canada, what makes you think they would be so forth-right about an increase in military? Especially after the PM has suspended Parliament, don't you think these two things happening one after another would give birth to some "conspiracy theories"? And even if there is no military increase isn't the PM suspending Parliament so that he can pass a budget, or whatever he's trying to do without their consent, enough to be worried about? That part of the thread is definitely not BS.

Originally posted by TwiTcHomatic
reply to post by Kashodi

 

See it sounds scary, but as you say... your not seeing any military presence, so part of it is wrong already.

When we see confirmed troop movements into urban locations then we will know.. of course it will prob be too late by then.

Ha!! You're damn right it'll be too late, but it wont be for us!! If ever they do roll in ass you say, that'll give many, many people on here that last piece of corroborrating(spelling??) evidence..that one final link in the puzzle...that last "click" needed to fight this nwo thing with a purely justified soul. no more will there be "well i could be wrong about this", or "the info isn't clear enough", or even "it all just seems so crazy". No, I think that if that ever happened, then at that moment they rolled in, it would be too late for them.

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How do we even know this was solely the PM's idea to begin with? He probably has the consent to do whatever he wants from whoever gives that consent. That's just speculation, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least. It's like President Bush giving himself dictatorial powers and passing all these laws behind congress's back. At least he wasn't so obvious about being corrupt.

Originally posted by bronco73
Continued from above:

Crossbows with stalks less than 400 mm
nunchaks
shuriken (throwing stars)
belts with blades
manrikigusari
rings with blades
push daggers
spiked wristbands
brass knuckles
blowguns
Kiyoga Baton (steel cobras)
morning stars (ball with spikes)
devices that dispense immobilizing gas (tear gas, mace, etc)

It's true that you're not allowed to IMPORT any of this stuff, and besides, these aren't GUNS. And anyone with a friend with a metal shop can either make these, or you can find equivalents at your local Canadian Tire (you'd be surprised with what you can do with a length of chain and some Stanley locks). Or even a drug store for hairspray.

However, if you're looking for the rest of the firearm stuff you had mentioned earlier, I'd be suspicious of your intent if it's not for hunting.

So okay, maybe we DO have gun control. But they're not saying you can't have ANY guns, just the overkillers...

reply to post by juniperberry

Recently they had a guns for digital cameras exchange going on between the police and gun owners in Toronto. One of the papers had a photo of a grannie turning in a WW1 Luger (!!!!!) to some cop. I almost fried my nervous system with a combination of envy, outrage. The Luger had to be worth about ten digital cameras. It ain't right to swindle an old lady like that.

I don't personally own a gun but I have a bunch of them that I would like to own, a hammerless Smith for one (there's one on the cover of one of Len Deighton's spy novels) and a 1911 Colt .45.

There is everything control in Canada, including gun control. Everyone is afraid that Al Quaida is going to pull the plug and drain the Great Lakes.


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reply to post by Total Reality


He will still need the oppositions consent to pass the budget, this will have to be the mother of all budgets, it seems to me that Harper is up to something, he is continually pissing everyone off, first with denying political party funding, now he is appointing 18 Con senators, Harper seems to be forcing an election down our throats and hoping for a majority, that's when we should start to be worried, I would be worried if any party at this point in time got a majority.

Originally posted by juniperberry

Originally posted by bronco73
Continued from above:

Crossbows with stalks less than 400 mm
nunchaks
shuriken (throwing stars)
belts with blades
manrikigusari
rings with blades
push daggers
spiked wristbands
brass knuckles
blowguns
Kiyoga Baton (steel cobras)
morning stars (ball with spikes)
devices that dispense immobilizing gas (tear gas, mace, etc)

It's true that you're not allowed to IMPORT any of this stuff, and besides, these aren't GUNS. And anyone with a friend with a metal shop can either make these, or you can find equivalents at your local Canadian Tire (you'd be surprised with what you can do with a length of chain and some Stanley locks). Or even a drug store for hairspray.

However, if you're looking for the rest of the firearm stuff you had mentioned earlier, I'd be suspicious of your intent if it's not for hunting.

So okay, maybe we DO have gun control. But they're not saying you can't have ANY guns, just the overkillers...

Actually, if you had read the supplied link, you would see that those items are banned in Canada. Meaning, it is illegal to own them or make them, period.

Originally posted by QuadroClip
reply to post by Total Reality

 

He will still need the oppositions consent to pass the budget, this will have to be the mother of all budgets, it seems to me that Harper is up to something, he is continually pissing everyone off, first with denying political party funding, now he is appointing 18 Con senators, Harper seems to be forcing an election down our throats and hoping for a majority, that's when we should start to be worried, I would be worried if any party at this point in time got a majority.

Oh come on, you are posting pure B.S. here and you know it. The political party funding is new, instated by Chretien just before he retired. WE shouldn't be paying the political parties! They should be earning their own funds through fundraisers, getting money from the people that actually support them. Harper is up to something? It was that abortion they called a coalition that forced his hand. I don't want separatists taking part in governing my country, Harper doesn't, and neither should you. They want to split up the country, and you think they should be governing it???? Do you have a complaint about Chretien or Martin appointing senators? That's how it's been done throughout Canada's history. IT"S HOW WE DO IT. He has every right to appoint senators to seats that are unoccupied. Canadians didn't want elected senators so he has to fill them. GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE! Forcing an election down our throats??? He porogued parliament to avoid an election! The abortion wants to seize power without an election, and Harper wants to avoid one so early after the last one.

I don't think I have ever seen a post with so many intentional lies before in my life. You should be banned for breaking the forum rules on posting things that you know to be not factual.

Originally posted by Total Reality
To all those who say this is BS just because there is no military visible in Canada, what makes you think they would be so forth-right about an increase in military? Especially after the PM has suspended Parliament, don't you think these two things happening one after another would give birth to some "conspiracy theories"? And even if there is no military increase isn't the PM suspending Parliament so that he can pass a budget, or whatever he's trying to do without their consent, enough to be worried about? That part of the thread is definitely not BS.

He suspended parliament to avoid the abortion from seizing power without an election. It was actually up to the Governor General what to do. She could have allowed the abortion to seize power against the will of the people, porogued parliament, or had an election 8 weeks after the last one. She chose the lesser of three evils, porogueing parliament. And, the budget doesn't come down until the end of January, AFTER parliament resumes, so he isn't trying to ram one down our throats like you seem to think. So, that part of the thread was definately BS.

Originally posted by bronco73
WE shouldn't be paying the political parties! They should be earning their own funds through fundraisers, getting money from the people that actually support them.

I think we should be paying them as we do now, for every vote they get, they get a 'buck 95' they democratically earned it.
Getting money from the people who actually support them; well you can easily replace people with corporations and the other influence peddlars.
Why would a right wing government like a donation type fundraising, hmmm, I wonder.

Besides how does a party 'earn' anything through donations?
Seems to me a $1.95 given according to every vote received by the Canadian people is very much earned.

In short, we don't want a government by the corporations, that's why the $1.95 system is in place. One of the wisest government decisions ever made. One only has to look south to see why it is wise.

PS, I think Stephen Harper is sneaky, I could see him creating a problem to achieve his goals.

Originally posted by Toadmund

Originally posted by bronco73
WE shouldn't be paying the political parties! They should be earning their own funds through fundraisers, getting money from the people that actually support them.

I think we should be paying them as we do now, for every vote they get, they get a 'buck 95' they democratically earned it.
Getting money from the people who actually support them; well you can easily replace people with corporations and the other influence peddlars.
Why would a right wing government like a donation type fundraising, hmmm, I wonder.

Besides how does a party 'earn' anything through donations?
Seems to me a $1.95 given according to every vote received by the Canadian people is very much earned.

In short, we don't want a government by the corporations, that's why the $1.95 system is in place. One of the wisest government decisions ever made. One only has to look south to see why it is wise.

PS, I think Stephen Harper is sneaky, I could see him creating a problem to achieve his goals.

My God, you haven't a clue how the political system in Canada works. You are posting so many factual errors, and it is really disappointing. It gives people outside of Canada a skewed view of how things work, and makes us look far less democratic than we really are. It would sure be nice if you would avoid posting about politics in Canada as it is painfully apparent that you are completely lost.

Throughout Canada's history, the federal political parties have never received taxpayer funding, that is until the retirement of Jean Chretien. What he did was remove the ability for corporations to donate mega dollars to parties, and in it's place enacted the buck ninety five from taxpayer dollars. He didn't do it because it's more democratic, he did it because he couldn't stand Paul Martin. He knew that the Liberals earned a majority of their money through corporate donations so he did what he did to see Paul Martin squirm. They do not democratically earn the right to my taxpayer bucks. Are you really OK with the Bloc Quebecois getting 4 million dollars of taxpayer dollars from the country that they want to secede from?

The political parties earn MOST of their funding through public donations. How do you think the Conservatives have so much money? The grassroots of the party and supporters donate their money to them.

If you don't want a government run by corporations, it is the Liberals you should be against. Most of their donations before the buck ninety five law came from corporations. It is the Conservatives that are funded majorily by grassroots everyday people. As a matter of fact, it has been shown that corporations donate to the political left at a rate of 14.5 to 1 as compared to the political right.
www.humanevents.com...

So, if you don't want a government run by corporations, it is the political left in Canada that you should not want. You are so back @sswards concerning which part of the political spectrum in Canada you don't trust.

PS: You didn't need to add your PS, it was apparent that you hate our Prime Minister. I can't wait to see your excuse for exactly what it is that he has done to make him so untrustworthy and make you hate him.

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Originally posted by bronco73

My God, you haven't a clue how the political system in Canada works. You are posting so many factual errors, and it is really disappointing.

Funny coincidence there, I thought the same thing of you!

However, I still think the Buck 95 thing is the more honest way to go, one of the best ways I know of to keep the corporate cronyism out of government influence.

If Chretien did this to spite Martin, which seems likely knowing Chretien, it would seems that sometime good things happen by default.

Your right I am not 'up there' in Canadian politics like I used to be, but I am not a total ignoramous either.
I know enough to know who not to vote for, and that who, is Stephen Harper

Originally posted by Toadmund

Originally posted by bronco73

My God, you haven't a clue how the political system in Canada works. You are posting so many factual errors, and it is really disappointing.

Funny coincidence there, I thought the same thing of you!

However, I still think the Buck 95 thing is the more honest way to go, one of the best ways I know of to keep the corporate cronyism out of government influence.

If Chretien did this to spite Martin, which seems likely knowing Chretien, it would seems that sometime good things happen by default.

Your right I am not 'up there' in Canadian politics like I used to be, but I am not a total ignoramous either.
I know enough to know who not to vote for, and that who, is Stephen Harper

OK, my anger got the best of me. I apologize for the rude personal comments, they were uncalled for.

The taxpayer money to politcial parties is akin to paying somebody to apply for a job at your company. Doesn't make sense. While I agree that corporations should be severely limited in their ability to donate to political parties, we shouldn't make up for that loss of corporate dollars with taxpayer dollars. It's like that old saying two wrongs don't make a right.

I'm still waiting for whatever it is that Harper has done to make him untrustworthy to you.
He wants elected senators not appointed ones
He wants elected justices not appointed ones
He wants us to have the freedom to own firearms
He wants smaller government
He wants less government intrusion on our lives
He wants less taxes not more

That's why I keep saying that Canadians are unique in the world. Probably the only country on the planet that want less democracy and more government intrusion on our lives. To me it's both frustrating and infuriating. I honestly cannot see Canada making it as a country too much longer. IF there is going to be a NAU, that is how it will happen. The divisiveness in Canada will tear her apart. The west is all Conservative, and tired of being pushed to the side while the east is all Liberal and reaping the benefits. Central Canada is quickly becoming the sinkhole where all of the wealth in Canada must be drained to. Either Quebec or the west will secede causing a breakup of the nation, republics in the west, monarchy's in the east, and I wouldn't doubt seeing at least some provinces becoming part of the USA in some way or form were that to happen. Canadians either left or right are fiercely proud of their country, yet cannot find the will to come together on any issues. We are doomed.