US Psy-ops teams posting on forums

It seems that the US government were assessing the internet for psy-ops interventions as early as 1995 and the websites of conspiracy theorists get a mention lol

Groups of conspiracy theorists exchange e-mail explaining their often bizarre theories about conspiracies conducted by the U.S. government in general and DoD in particular.

Strategic Assessment: The Internet
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and
Low-Intensity Conflict
(Policy Planning)

Room 2B525, the Pentagon 703-693-5208 17 July 1995

www.fas.org...

Third party groups are being used for psy-ops

A People's Information Support Team is a Civilian Irregular Information volunteer auxiliary on-line working group collaborating on electronic media engagement of oppositional, neutral and friendly blogs, forums, discussion groups and websites. Capabilities to be developed:

Disseminate selected public information to target audiences.

Counter enemy propaganda.

YouTube Smackdown

Counter enemy Morale Operations

Cheerleader

Attack anti-military arguments

Publicize heroes

Resist infantilization, victimization, marginalization and slander of American soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines, and Coast Guardsmen

pist10.wetpaint.com...

cannoneerno4.wordpress.com...

I'm a Psy-Ops Agent. The pay is good. You guys are suckers.

reply to post by truecolours


Mmm No I never stated that china Killed 1.2 million Tibetans,

You said I assumed that, and that is normal spin and manipulation of an stance that Plato/Socrates et al used in his arguments to ridicule the opponent when he felt his case of proof was weak!

Well as this UN document shows the International Committee of Jurists does not agree with you or the PRC!

DRAFT PETITION ON BEHALF OF TIBETANS DEPRIVED OF THEIR INTERNATIONALLY PROTECTED HUMAN RIGHTS1 FOR A GRANT OF UNITED NATIONS EFFECTIVE REMEDY

I will refer you therefore and anyone interested in PRC activities on ATS and the tactics used, by them and as the OP thrust general internet and information manipulation, for example not debating, or using similar sources, as the proof put to their argument, to my first post amongst many in this thread here:

The True Face of the Dalai Lama

Njoy

Elf


[edit on 13-12-2008 by MischeviousElf]

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
reply to post by truecolours

 

Mmm No I never stated that china Killed 1.2 million Tibetans,

You said I assumed that, and that is normal spin and manipulation of an stance that Plato/Socrates et al used in his arguments to ridicule the opponent when he felt his case of proof was weak!

Well as this UN document shows the International Committee of Jurists does not agree with you or the PRC!

DRAFT PETITION ON BEHALF OF TIBETANS DEPRIVED OF THEIR INTERNATIONALLY PROTECTED HUMAN RIGHTS1 FOR A GRANT OF UNITED NATIONS EFFECTIVE REMEDY

I will refer you therefore and anyone interested in PRC activities on ATS and the tactics used, by them and as the OP thrust general internet and information manipulation, for example not debating, or using similar sources, as the proof put to their argument, to my first post amongst many in this thread here:

The True Face of the Dalai Lama

Njoy

Elf


[edit on 13-12-2008 by MischeviousElf]

Elf as I said I'd created another post to deal with that issue to avoid going off topic on this one. You deliberately posted your reply on this one to distract people from this topic and post at a distance from the evidence so that you could imply that the International Committee of Jurists (ICJ) report does not say what I claim it says.

my post debunking the genocide claim:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The ICJ report: www.tibet.com...

Your choice of words was very telling. You said: "the International Committee of Jurists does not agree with you or the PRC!" That was a psy-ops cheap trick to try and associate me with the PRC. I'm sure you saw the fully sourced peer reviewed article by a western academic Professor Barry Sautman that stated exactly what I stated that is does not claim physical genocide it claims cultural genocde (a claim that has also been debunked in sautman's article).

There is only one figure being thrown about by all the free Tibet campaign groups for genocide and that is 1.2 million. We both know that so I wasn't wrong to make the assumption that this was what you refered to. There is no evidence of genocide whatsoever. If you had some evidence you would have posted it.

The article that you have posted relies on the now debunked CIA funded (see Sautman's article) ICJ report and several other unreliable sources. You might not like the truth but I do so tough luck.

[edit on 13-12-2008 by truecolours]

reply to post by truecolours


Hello China White how are you?, or I am sure you know him... lol

It does seem my second post on this thread Here:


was correct and astute of myself eh?

I fished in my first post and you took it hook line and sinker MR PRC man lol.


I didn't try and derail this thread, I responded as you asked in my post above with the REPLY to your post to.

You asked I did

From your Join date,

Posts and threads to date

I think the truth is apparent to all?

I suggest that you look at The Peer Reviewed Articles I Link in the threda mentioned

The True Face of the Dalai Lama where if Cultural Genocide is Ok because NUNS have Electric Batton's inserted into their sexual organs and used on them, is OK well that's your own sick and twisted view!

Or where Monks are shot, and the soldiers demand the family who are forced to watch to pay for the Bullet, is not genocide.... well I don't know about your semantic's and games, but its wrong, sick and I wont give you any more time!

I wont contribute to this thread again, but thank you for the Info on the American psy ops campaign.

I am here because I like the community and Truth not because I am paid to be here like some others

Welcome to my and many more Ignore Lists

Elf.


[edit on 13-12-2008 by MischeviousElf]

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
reply to post by truecolours

 

Hello China White how are you?, or I am sure you know him... lol

It does seem my second post on this thread Here:


was correct and astute of myself eh?

I fished in my first post and you took it hook line and sinker MR PRC man lol.


I didn't try and derail this thread, I responded as you asked in my post above with the REPLY to your post to.

You asked I did

From your Join date,

Posts and threads to date

I think the truth is apparent to all?

I suggest that you look at The Peer Reviewed Articles I Link in the threda mentioned

The True Face of the Dalai Lama where if Cultural Genocide is Ok because NUNS have Electric Batton's inserted into their sexual organs and used on them, is OK well that's your own sick and twisted view!

Or where Monks are shot, and the soldiers demand the family who are forced to watch to pay for the Bullet, is not genocide.... well I don't know about your semantic's and games, but its wrong, sick and I wont give you any more time!

I wont contribute to this thread again, but thank you for the Info on the American psy ops campaign.

I am here because I like the community and Truth not because I am paid to be here like some others

Welcome to my and many more Ignore Lists

Elf.


[edit on 13-12-2008 by MischeviousElf]

Why call me China White? Why assume I know him? You seem to have a poor grip on reality.

I only asked you to post the proof that you had that there were Chinese Psy-op agents on this thread because it is relevant to this topic. You didn’t do it because you had no proof. Almost certainly there will be Chinese psy-op agents on the internet though. You knew I’d created another thread for dealing with the genocide issue and still chose to post away from the evidence on this thread.

The claims of genocide in Tibet have been debunked in numerous peer-reviewed articles and an ever-growing number of academics are throwing their weight behind these articles. This has resulted in the Tibetan government in exile and the Dalai lama dropping their claims of physical genocide and instead falsely claiming cultural genocide despite strong academic evidence to the contrary. You produced no evidence whatsoever of physical genocide of Tibetans in your posts because there is no evidence of something that never occurred. All you did was waffle on.

Nice try at leaving behind a smoke-screen behind (another psy-op trick) of some shocking atrocities to distract people from the main issue of your losing the genocide argument. I know that China doesn’t have the best human rights record but I’d want evidence of anything that you said because obviously you can’t be trusted. Contrary to what you implied of course I strongly condemn any acts of torture by China or any country for that matter. Torture is indeed sick.

Hands up, who thinks there's a psy-operative on this thread?

reply to post by MischeviousElf


I worked in TV News for two years, at a major channel and experienced the subtlety of it first hand.

Its not that either the director or the moderator or the journalists or assistants there deliberately spread disinformation or propaganda. Instead, the investigative-laziness and desperation-for-a-new-story allowed all kinds of people to exploit TV News for their agenda.

Example: Newsfeeds by the news agencies (Reuters, AP, etc.) were received without questioning, without editing, without critical thinking and without discernment and simply broadcast - because "deadlines must be met quickly".

reply to post by Maxmars


Hullo:
Obviously Pentagon is indeed aligned against freedom of information via the Internet. The following is currently occurring now, and is a hidden
battle occurring at Maxwell AFB, AL. The Air University is there, and an
author, writer of published aerospacehistory who E-Mails a Professor there, encountered severe censor of his mail to the Professor. These whoevers, additionally, actually removed a number of non-sensitive and
long declassified images in the Professor's E-Mail to the author, of some
orbital space project from the late 1950s, and early 1960s. The Professor didn't believe it was occurring so he xmitted all of the images singly in a
separate E-Mail. Each time he transmitted, a message was sent to him that
the material was removed by sensorship due to security issues. The images were NOT security issues, were long declassified and was simply
military fascist activity.

The author's E-Mails to the Professor were also sensored, but since there
was nothing senstive in them, it was simply a power play, just begging to
be made publid. It turns out that there is a group at Maxwell...call them
whatever you wish, who are messing with Constitutional rights to free
speech and writing! This group is battling with the personnel based at
Maxwell, and consequently, it is an internal USAF war against controlling
incoming-outgoing E-Mails. Remember, military personnel take an oath
at induction or enlistment to defend the Constitution of the USA, so this
activity constitutes treason, and fascist activity against the civilian and
even military population...those working on the Maxwedll Reservation.

Human psychopathic insanity knows absoloutely no bounds!

Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by MischeviousElf

 

Example: Newsfeeds by the news agencies (Reuters, AP, etc.) were received without questioning, without editing, without critical thinking and without discernment and simply broadcast - because "deadlines must be met quickly".

Very true.

reply to post by Skyfloating


That must have been really interesting SkyFloating, when younger especially when I was very political and "active" as such in my beliefs I always had a dream of becoming an Investigative Journalist.

I know what you mean the pressures of the Commercial World, the need within the industry to be first and "Break" that story, or even to follow others so that you gain the same interest as the competition.

However is not the reason you and I are drawn to sites such as this as we seek the truth, and not the manipulation and spin of the MSM. The recent NLP Fox thread shows it all, and having worked in the industry you know the Power and reporting on certain stories and their chosen angles that News Corporations like News International has.

I always have been a great fan of the BBC but I do think there is something to the editorial content. I really don't understand for example why not one MSM outlet or journalist has mentioned in the recent economic situation the truth we know of the Private Ownership of the Fed and such like, and the power of certain Banking Cartels in the world. Why oh Why has Jeremy Paxman normally who will go straight to the Line on subjects, with his massive intellect not brought it up?

So I am a bit dubious of the Backround running, or more specifically the controls on what can be said or reported on in regard to major truths in our world, that effect us all massively. Not blaming the workers there as such, but I do believe that Geoballs taught the modern Politicians and media more than they ever admit!

On a day to day working basis i agree with you, and thanks for your insight into this... but as said I feel a guiding and blocking hand in much of thr Media!

Anyhow I thought yourself if you have not seen this before yet SkyFloating, and others in regard to this topic might find the analysis by a member on Ickes forum of the BBC Pic Of The Day , surely the best way to subconsciously imprint and guide peoples subconscious mind, with Pictures, for others besides Sky look into Sigil's & Visualisation's, and generally, the history of power of images, on our beliefs and behaviour and values, in Magic, Religion, Propaganda etc.

I found it interesting indeed here:

Folks, there's so many news that has to be "DECODED" that it looks a good time to start a thread that "TRANSLATES" the news.

if you look at the link he break's down the seemingly Innocent Pic of The Day on the BBC news Site with current event's The News Behind The News - David Icke Forum Contribution

I would be really interested and honoured if you share your thoughts on this SkyFloating and all others too.

Kind Regards,

Elf
edit for spelling lol.

[edit on 14-12-2008 by MischeviousElf]

reply to post by MischeviousElf


This is again the question "To what extent is it happening"?

Its a question that concerns all conspiracy-theorists.

For a conspiracy to work well, as few people as possible must be involved.

For it to work even better, most involved shouldnt even be aware of what they are doing.

Editors deliberately planting certain messages into film reels? Probably not. But those film reels being provided by pentagon-contractors, pre-packaged to fit the agenda? Sometimes.

The "conspiracy" in terms of media, seems more to be an issue of low awareness and low energy (not enough energy to question things and research or to stand up to the status quo) than a newsroom full of wicked goblins.

Of course, there could be one or two individuals in key positions making sure certain info never sees the light of day...

Well well,
We were wondering how prominent this may be in regards, for example my theorising that there may be a large amount of government sponsored people creating and manipulating the Net.

In the case of Chinese internal internet discussions this is actually very open by all accounts, and therefore would feed through to the rest of the Net in regards to the view of China, if we access Chinese Blogs and discussion sites.

Now we can see their shared information, however as many are aware there is a Chinese Firewall as such, that would not allow for example the site ATS to be viewed within China itself, and certainly not one of the posts I have put on this thread. We can though as a wider WWW community be "Spun" by this following activity which certainly is done openly and not in any Bunkers as such lol:

China's internet 'spin doctors'

China is using an increasing number of paid "internet commentators" in a sophisticated attempt to control public opinion.

These commentators are used by government departments to scour the internet for bad news - and then negate it.

They post comments on websites and forums that spin bad news into good in an attempt to shape public opinion.

Comments, rumours and opinions can be quickly spread between internet groups in a way that makes it hard for the government to censor.

So instead of just trying to prevent people from having their say, the government is also attempting to change they way they think.

To do this, they use specially trained - and ideologically sound - internet commentators.

They have been dubbed the "50-cent party" because of how much they are reputed to be paid for each positive posting (50 Chinese cents; $0.07; £0.05).

And further and this is the very interesting part from our point of veiw, and is often seen on ATS and other such sites:

A document released by the public security bureau in the city of Jiaozuo in Henan province boasts of the success of this approach.

It retells the story of one disgruntled citizen who posted an unfavourable comment about the police on a website after being punished for a traffic offence.

One of the bureau's internet commentators reported this posting to the authorities within 10 minutes of it going up.

The bureau then began to spin, using more than 120 people to post their own comments that neatly shifted the debate.

"Twenty minutes later, most postings supported the police - in fact many internet users began to condemn the original commentator," said the report.

BBC 16th Dec 08


It seems then from the OP source and this, that in fact we have to be very careful, not to gain our views and opinions from the global consensus, even if we are drawing the information from Like Minded people on some forum's.

Test all that you read and believe as it was gold before you bought it.

To take an anology that the Buddha used.

Kind Regards,

Elf

[edit on 17-12-2008 by MischeviousElf]

Ok....
*Lights one, last ciggarett and prepares to type*

I JUST got done reading EVERY post currenty in this thread. I have a couple of things to say. (I hope somone doesnt post while I am typing this...xD Make me a liar...)

US Psy-ops teams posting on message boards is very very probable.
If you ask me, they've already infected this place when it came up on radar. Simply put.

That being said, we need a definet way to sort out the danger, and even, destroy them with counter tactics. (These can be discussed later.) I can recomend my own thread "Code/Crypt". Its a good start. One of the only ways I see to communicate, truely, without worries for pourposes of this site.

I suggest this. Anti-propoganda. Or should I say, Counter...propoganda...
I recommed weeding out bots and spies on this website any many others. How about... All the humans would post a single lined message at the start of their posts. Code...
xD Of course, now we can't use THAT particular way... I've already posted it, where it can be cracked and used against our cause... Something to that affect, however...
I say we start posting subliminal messaging of our own....Everywhere... Without pattern, or reason. Every HUMAN can already think of hundreds of ways to quietly advertise and do our job.
Everyone who is on the side knows it. And will do their best to help.
Peace and love.

Such as?...Posting relevant ideas and suggestions, good quality reading with a positive message behind it.

of course they are here all over the place

but we have very little to worry about, because the truth is beating the crap out of the lies right now

all we need to do to win this, is be able to think for ourselves

think critically and ALWAYS question what someone says

question question question!

questions unravel lies and deception
and bring forth the truth

it works 100% of the time on all dubious claims
just question them and your brain will do the rest

Originally posted by s0ndernet


List of members who replied with irrelevant or off topic responses in this thread:
Rob37n
Flyersfan
muzzleflash
thefreepatriot
dangelb3rry
amfirst
watchZEITGEISTnow
OzWeatherman
doomsauce
aylyan
Iblis


[edit on 12-12-2008 by s0ndernet]

seriously my reply was on topic, so why are you saying i was offtopic?

go back to page 2 and read my post, its TOTALLY RELEVANT to this topic of "paid online liars"

wow you know im paranoid of disinfo too but i personally think your going Way to far with this huge list here , seirously

Originally posted by truecolours


I'm sure you saw the fully sourced peer reviewed article by a western academic Professor Barry Sautman

[edit on 13-12-2008 by truecolours]

Im starting to be very suspicious of this poster as well.

He has referred to people as "western" a bunch of times now, and i am telling you we westerners dont refer to ourselves as westerners

so obviously your a easterner eh?

add this with strong protection of PRC and staunch defense of tibet operations

look im not saying your psyops (paid) but it appears to me you do have an agenda here

i find it hilarious you brought the topic up as well, and then suspicions fall heavily on you for the exact same thing your condemning


IF you are a paid disinfo agent (not saying you are BUT IF you are)
i need to give you two quick tips (just in case you are hehe)
This should aid you in your future attempts (hypothetically)

ok, lets add a new rule to the PRC psy ops book

#1)Dont refer to westerners as "western" when your trying to pretend to be one of them

#2) Dont defend PRC so staunchly and so blatently in 75% + of your posts...

just some helpful HYPOTHETICAL tips



to clear these suspicions, perhaps you should say where you are from, and why you support the PRC blindly ?

I apoligize if im wrong but I think your consistant use of the term "western" was a subconcious mistake, and you probably didnt realize you were committing it until it was too late

[edit on 8-1-2009 by muzzleflash]

reply to post by truecolours


Not sure if it was mentioned already, they should also check out online gambling sites and mmog chatter. There's just sooo many options out there when it comes to how to take advantage of the net.

Ok...lots to read and soak up...

Ok I need to assure I have this straight.

If an individual posts that 9/11 is false or government designed and I disagree despite what they think is proof, I am a psy-op?

Then I noticed on page 5 that we need to sit and weed out bots and spies out.

So who exactly decides who the spies and psy-ops are? That sounds like a controlled dictatorship or better yet a witch hunt.

One day I decide to post on 9/11. I say, despite the clear proof they claim, that I still disagree. Now is the tradition or Salem, MA, someone says I am a psy-op. Group think takes over and despite the fact that I am indeed not a psy-op I am now blamed and then abnned.

You want to talk about paranoia? I am far more paranoid of a committee to hunt the psy-ops than the possibility of one being here.

Look, if their is a psyop it's quite simple, ignore them.

If you truly think they are psy-op then blow off their words, form your educated opinion and move on. That ignore key is always down then. I will say however if you start branding anyone who disagrees with your 'proof' on any matter, then you'ge gonna have a lonely and paranoid experience here.

Just my thoughts

-Kyo

Originally posted by MischeviousElf

Low and behold to reply in a latter post the next day I searched YouTube etc with the exact same key words i.e torture marines Iraq children etc and
found a nearly tripling of the videos held than the day before....

And with graphic headlines for the videos such as "US Marines Torture Kids in Iraq" etc... however upon watching 3/4 of them they were all smiley GI Marines giving biscuits etc and toys to the children or civilians!

This is nothing new, has been going on for years disinformation but they were quick and I was surprised at the amount of extra vids in 24 hours after just a post on ATS.

Maybe it was linked elsewhere or emailed a Lot that is the Vids as I dug them out...

I promise that when I first searched those terms on Scroogle, and you tube 90% of them were real, 24 hours later well try it yourself now and see.



[edit on 11-12-2008 by MischeviousElf]

You are aware that Youtube removes a lot of videos right, and not the US military or "psy-ops"(which is actually PSYOP if you want to be accurate).
Secondly, are you saying that soldiers and marines aren't giving food and toys to children, and that it's just some elaborate disinformation campaign?