chem/contrails in brisbane australia

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Thanks for the vid.


At the start the anchor mentioned the approximate location of these chemtrails and subsequent samples (poorly collected IMHO).

Southwest Arkansas.

They show the lab results, indicating that the barium level was 3 times the safe limit, which is correct.

This is where I refer you to my thread here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

After a little bit of searching and thinking along the lines of some sort of mine or factory causing the elevated results I discovered a couple of interesting things.

The most common naturally occurring minerals are the very insoluble barium sulfate, BaSO4 (barite), and barium carbonate, BaCO3 (witherite). Benitoite is a rare gem containing barium.

en.wikipedia.org...

Benitoite is the key here.

Because in Southwest Arkansas there are a number of diamond and quartz mines, in these mines you will find Benitoite!
www.airesjewelers.com...

A link to all the monitored waste sites in Arkansas:
www.eco-usa.net...

This one stood out for me:
www.epa.gov...

The principal pollutants at the Gurley Pit Superfund site include PCB (sludge and oil), barium, lead and zinc (surface water, soil and sludge). A volume of pollutants include 20,000 yd3 of sludge, which was treated, stabilized and placed in a RCRA type vault. A fence was constructed around the perimeter and the site was secured with a locked gate and posted in December 1992 and the riser pipe slot modifications and water removal were complete. Baseline air monitoring was also initiated during the same period. Construction of the RCRA with treated vault was completed in the Fall of 1994. The prior site discharges of contaminants into Fifteen-Mile Bayou, and the prior light oil which slick posed a threat to migratory waterfowl and the adjacent residents have been eliminated.

The problem has been eliminated at this particular site, but what about ones the EPA hasn't caught?


Can you see why I argue against chemtrails being full of poisonous chemicals? When with a little bit of digging I find possibly the cause for the elevated levels of chemicals in that area.

Cheers.

Double Post.

[edit on 11-12-2008 by Chadwickus]

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by BlackMumba

 

Thanks for the vid.


At the start the anchor mentioned the approximate location of these chemtrails and subsequent samples (poorly collected IMHO).

Southwest Arkansas.

They show the lab results, indicating that the barium level was 3 times the safe limit, which is correct.

This is where I refer you to my thread here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

After a little bit of searching and thinking along the lines of some sort of mine or factory causing the elevated results I discovered a couple of interesting things.

The most common naturally occurring minerals are the very insoluble barium sulfate, BaSO4 (barite), and barium carbonate, BaCO3 (witherite). Benitoite is a rare gem containing barium.

en.wikipedia.org...

Benitoite is the key here.

Because in Southwest Arkansas there are a number of diamond and quartz mines, in these mines you will find Benitoite!
www.airesjewelers.com...

A link to all the monitored waste sites in Arkansas:
www.eco-usa.net...

This one stood out for me:
www.epa.gov...

The principal pollutants at the Gurley Pit Superfund site include PCB (sludge and oil), barium, lead and zinc (surface water, soil and sludge). A volume of pollutants include 20,000 yd3 of sludge, which was treated, stabilized and placed in a RCRA type vault. A fence was constructed around the perimeter and the site was secured with a locked gate and posted in December 1992 and the riser pipe slot modifications and water removal were complete. Baseline air monitoring was also initiated during the same period. Construction of the RCRA with treated vault was completed in the Fall of 1994. The prior site discharges of contaminants into Fifteen-Mile Bayou, and the prior light oil which slick posed a threat to migratory waterfowl and the adjacent residents have been eliminated.

The problem has been eliminated at this particular site, but what about ones the EPA hasn't caught?


Can you see why I argue against chemtrails being full of poisonous chemicals? When with a little bit of digging I find possibly the cause for the elevated levels of chemicals in that area.

Cheers.

Oh I agree, I don't think all chemtrails produce these particles, and it would be logical to think that they are caused by elevated chemicals in the area.

One thing that bothers me though deeply, In Kings Lynne UK, ther have been so many chemtrails and particles falling that this particular person is very concerned. In the video below he/she shows you the amounts of particles in the night via a torch and decent camcorder.

Now to my knowledge there are no mines in that area but factories? sure there might be I don't think the user is specific enough on his/her location to enable me to search the area for these things.

I am seeing a lot of persistant chemtrails in my area too, incredible amounts. If you search on youtube for "particles chemtrails" there are so many that are exactly the same in whatever country the user is in, I can't put all those down to factories or mines.


This video concerns me due to the high levels of particles falling. (it is very unusual for the regular old joe bloggs to see this happening in the uk, it's pratically unheard of)







Now I am a logical person, I do try to be, and I don't get sucked into hype when I can help it and if I do I am quick to realize my own mistake. However chemtrails are real , they do exist and they are there to poison the public.

Do I believe all persistant contrails seen in the sky could be chemtrails? no, that's a big generalization as I said before and one which is dangerous to adhere to.

I read the above thread, and it is interesting, I think a lot of points put forward are agreeable, but like they say "In everything there should be a balance" and that's how i try to see things, albeit I fail on that sometimes.

Chemtrails, flouride, all these things are there, people are aware of them, am I worried to a state of panic? not really, I know the NWO agenda, and I have read the back of the book so I have no panic, but I do have concern.

And thank you for not being rude or impolite in your debates with me, I find it's much more fun when people disagree with a smile!

And thank you for the information you posted.

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I've seen that video before, in my opinion it is just dust reflecting the light from the high powered torch.

A good indicator of that is the chair near the end:




It is covered in dust.

If these particles were so numerous and obvious the guy who filmed it would have clear day footage.

This is the problem with most Pro-chemtrail websites I've seen. They bend the facts to suit their agenda. rense.com is a good example of that, that site has zero credibility in my opinion.

This is why, when researching the contrail/chemtrail phenomena I prefer articles that don't have an agenda, it's a good way to find the truth.

Originally posted by BlackMumba

Here are some of mine from the UK

Picture 1

It appears you were under direct line of these trails. I too captured trails over my home many times.

We get a lot of these over our house too sometimes very very low .....flying around for up to an hour

Picture 8

Picture 9

The copter in these two looks almost exactly like the one that flew directly overhead. Only it wasn't at home. I was waiting inside the Benz of the parking lot of a medical building at the time.

So I'm leaning to 'chemtrails' because of the strange appearances of these anamolous formations. But then again, there is no evidence to show these incidences are merely 'contrails' in origin.

Originally posted by pikypiky

Originally posted by BlackMumba

Here are some of mine from the UK

Picture 1

It appears you were under direct line of these trails. I too captured trails over my home many times.

We get a lot of these over our house too sometimes very very low .....flying around for up to an hour

Picture 8

Picture 9

The copter in these two looks almost exactly like the one that flew directly overhead. Only it wasn't at home. I was waiting inside the Benz of the parking lot of a medical building at the time.

So I'm leaning to 'chemtrails' because of the strange appearances of these anamolous formations. But then again, there is no evidence to show these incidences are merely 'contrails' in origin.

Aye I am leaning towards chemtrails in my own pictures and the ones of the OP (thread starter)

The PDG helicopters I see are so low over my house it's incredible, I tried to grab a picture of them just hovering but they started to fly away as soon as they saw me with my camera.

I get a lot of black helicopters too flying about, now when I phone the police (non UK emergency number) They are able to tell me if they have choppers out, and why they are out (to some degree /confidentiality etc) so if there happen to be choppers about and I phone the police and there is no recorded activity on their end, I know something is amiss.

however I don't worry about them to be honest, I am actually thinking of placing a nice huge notice on my roof one of these days, They like greetings right?

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It took me a minute to find out that the yellow/black helicopter (G-NTWK) is owned by PLM Dollar Group LTD. Here is a closer picture:



It's a survey aircraft for National Rail. It flies down the tracks using its camera to survey the track for damage/needed repairs.

Nothing suspicious in the slightest.

The database located here is a great place to research any strange aircraft operating in the UK. Simply enter the registration number (which for UK aircraft starts with a G) in the box, click "Search", and Bob's your uncle.

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They look 100% like normal contrails. There is nothing to suggest they are anything other. You'll need to get some actual hard evidence to suggest otherwise for rational people to believe you.

And as I pointed out in the other thread, those helicopters are nothing suspicious in the slightest. All the gear on the bottom (the camera, spotlight, and microwave uplink antenna) are for surveying railway lines. That's all.

Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by BlackMumba

 

It took me a minute to find out that the yellow/black helicopter (G-NTWK) is owned by PLM Dollar Group LTD. Here is a closer picture:



It's a survey aircraft for National Rail. It flies down the tracks using its camera to survey the track for damage/needed repairs.

Nothing suspicious in the slightest.

The database located here is a great place to research any strange aircraft operating in the UK. Simply enter the registration number (which for UK aircraft starts with a G) in the box, click "Search", and Bob's your uncle.

Haha that would explain everything then. I live right NEXT to the rail line

And thanks for the database!



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Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by pikypiky

 

They look 100% like normal contrails. There is nothing to suggest they are anything other. You'll need to get some actual hard evidence to suggest otherwise for rational people to believe you.

And as I pointed out in the other thread, those helicopters are nothing suspicious in the slightest. All the gear on the bottom (the camera, spotlight, and microwave uplink antenna) are for surveying railway lines. That's all.

The helicopters are not suspicious no, but I believe those are not contrails, they are chemtrails, the evidence for these is all over the internet even in official documents.


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I hate to break it to you, but there is no evidence for chemtrails in our skies. There is evidence for airplane-released spraying, but not at that altitude, and not for the purposes of targeting any specific area of the ground. Releasing chemicals from that height is never, ever going to be accurate within hundreds, possibly thousands, of miles. There are FAR more accurate ways to get desired chemicals into the air in a specific region. Chemtrailers have connected the dots to some dots that are guesses, and come up with this theatrical, ineffectual, obvious, paranoia-tinged explanation. It's not logical to do so, however heinous the alleged crime is. We can't stop these people doing it, if they are doing it, without being able to scientifically demonstrate it as being the case.

The claim that documents on the internet mean some contrails are chemtrails is like me pointing to documents describing false-flag operations means all, or even just some, current military operations are false-flag. You can see that while it might be true, it doesn't mean that it is true. In my example, it would be necessary to find direct evidence of a military operation being false-flag in nature to show that it is going on. The possibility of something doesn't mean it's definitely happening. Chemtrail believers need to take a direct sample of a contrail, and find unexpected chemicals in it, before anyone can rationally accept that it is definitely happening. That's the scientific method, and that's what makes the world tick. Without that, there is nothing anyone can do, as it's distinctly unproven.

You might want to read this PDF to learn of some of the weird things contrails can do, how they are formed, why some last longer than others, and why some look like they are shining.

You might be on to something, but there needs to be direct evidence before anyone can be expected to believe, and belief among the public is the only thing that can stop it, if it's happening. I've extensively read the chemtrail "evidence" online, and so far no-one has taken the necessary direct sample. It's all "A plane flew over then later on some stuff was in the air which I took a sample from" - that is not evidence, as there is no way to link the aircraft's presence with whatever's in the sample (it might be from a near-by factory, mine, mexican restaurant, you name it).

I'm sure you mean well, but you really should understand that your best weapon is the scientific method. Make a concrete case of this, and you'll be the most famous person on the planet. If you shun the scientific method, prepare to be sidelined and ridiculed. It's not pleasant, but it's the only way humanity can learn.