Shamanic Initiation = UFO Abduction

Below is two quotes from Wiki on Shamanic Intiation and the UFO Abduction Phenomenon. There is a striking similarity between the experiences, but within a shamanic society the phenomenon is taken to mean the person should be trained in Shamanism. UFO abductions may have the exact same cause, only without the cultural grounding that a shamanic society would give.

A shaman may be initiated via a serious illness, by being struck by lightning and dreaming of thunder to become a Heyoka, or by a near-death experience (e.g., the shaman Black Elk), or one might follow a "calling" to become a shaman. There is usually a set of cultural imagery expected to be experienced during shamanic initiation regardless of the method of induction. According to Mircea Eliade, such imagery often includes being transported to the spirit world and interacting with beings inhabiting the distant world of spirits, meeting a spiritual guide, being devoured by some being and emerging transformed, and/or being "dismantled" and "reassembled" again, often with implanted amulets such as magical crystals. The imagery of initiation generally speaks of transformation and the granting powers to transcend death and rebirth.

Shamanic illness

Shamanic illness, also called shamanistic inititatory crisis, is a psycho-spiritual crisis, usually involuntary, or a rite of passage, observed among those becoming shaman. The episode often marks the beginning of a time-limited episode of confusion or disturbing behavior where the shamanic initiate might sing or dance in an unconventional fashion, or have an experience of being "disturbed by spirits". The symptoms are usually not considered to be signs of mental illness by interpreters in the shamanic culture; rather, they are interpreted as introductory signposts for the individual who is meant to take the office of shaman (Lukoff et.al, 1992). Similarities of some shamanic illness symptoms to the kundalini process have been often noted. The significant role of initiatory illnesses in the calling of a shaman can be found in the detailed case history of Chuonnasuan, the last master shaman among the Tungus peoples in Northeast China.

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Some UFO researchers argue that there is a broad, fairly consistent sequence and description of events which make up the typical "close encounter of the fourth kind" (a popular but unofficial designation building on Dr. J. Allen Hynek's classifying terminology). Though the features outlined below are often reported, there is some disagreement as to exactly how often they actually occur. Some researchers (especially Budd Hopkins and David Michael Jacobs) have been accused of excluding, minimising or suppressing testimony or data which do not fit a certain paradigm for the phenomenon.

Bullard argues most abduction accounts feature the following events. They generally follow the sequence noted below, though not all abductions feature all the events:

Capture. The abductee is forcibly taken from terrestrial surroundings to an apparent alien space craft.
Examination. Invasive medical or scientific procedures are performed on the abductee.
Conference. The abductors speak to the abductee.
Tour. The abductees are given a tour of their captors' vessel.
Loss of Time. Abductees rapidly forget the majority of their experience.
Return. The abductees are returned to earth. Occasionally in a different location from where they were allegedly taken or with new injuries or disheveled clothing.
Theophany. The abductee has a profound mystical experience, accompanied by a feeling of oneness with God or the universe.
Aftermath. The abductee must cope with the psychological, physical, and social effects of the experience.

Although the detail is not mentioned in this text, the examinations often include a complete rebuild of the patients body, often with implants of a technological or crystal origin.

I firmly believe this phenomenon is related to a spontaneous '___' release in the brain. This would explain why those people were chosen/forced into shamanic practices, because any human can enter trance states, but those that do spontaneously are seen to be called by the spirits. Its interesting that with the UFO experience, a feeling of oneness with the Universe is also present. Additionally, the shamanic initiation is sometimes likened to a Kundalini psychosis. Scientists who dismiss the UFO experience as completely false (taking the information literally), are doing themselves and humanity wrong. We should be able to look at the unusual states like Dreams, Visions etc. and apply them to the world-wide phenomenon that is UFO Adbudctions.

From www.shroomery.org...'___'-and-Psilocybin-Research

'___' and Psilocybin Research
From a MAPS publication about hallucinogen research.

Dr. Rick Strassman
University of New Mexico Medical School
The National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) has scored highly a grant proposal to continue the clinical research with hallucinogens we have been performing since November, 1990. In all likelihood, funding will begin either late this year or early next. The grant proposal is for three additional years of projects, and the total award is for approximately $500,000. The grant will support three '___' studies, and one psilocybin study.Two of the '___' studies involve attempts to modify '___''s biological and psychological effects by pre-treating subjects with drugs believed to have an effect on brain areas affected by '___'. '___''s effects, like those of other "classical hallucinogens" such as '___', psilocybin, and mescaline, are probably caused by an interaction with certain nerve cells contained within the brain. These cells are part of the serotonin system. Serotonin is a chemical, a neurotransmitter, which allows nerve cells to communicate with each other across tiny spaces, called "synapses." A serotonin-containing nerve cell which is stimulated beyond a certain threshold "fires," releasing serotonin into the synapse, which then attaches to specialized sites on the "receiving" nerve cell called "receptors." Serotonin attaches to its receptors, thus modifying the electrical activity of the receiving cell, which in turn either fires itself, or is prevented from firing. There are several varieties of serotonin receptors, called "subtypes," including the type "1A," "1B," "1C," "1D," "1E,""2," "3," and "4." Psychedelics are most strongly bound to the 1A, 1C, and 2 subtypes.

Drugs which block serotonin-2, -1C, and -1A subtypes have been found to block the effects of hallucinogens in lower animals. However, tests of "hallucinogenicity" in lower animals are open to criticism because of the difficulty in knowing exactly what the animal is responding to. Clearly, human studies are necessary to refute, confirm, or modify existing hypotheses generated by lower animals experiments. Thus, we are interesting in determine which serotonin receptors, in man, mediate specific effects of '___'.

Our original '___' study demonstrated that '___' raised blood levels of beta- endorphin, cortisol, adrenal stimulating hormone, and prolactin; all of these hormones' regulation is believed controlled, to some extent, by serotonin receptors in the brain. In addition, we found rises in blood pressure, heart rate, pupil diameter, and core temperature in response to '___'; these variables also are regulated to some extent by serotonin nerve cells. Finally, we have carefully mapped out the psychological effects of '___' using the Hallucinogen Rating Scale, the development of which was discussed in a previous article. Now that we have this data describing effects of '___' by itself, we can pre-treat subjects with drugs that block certain types of serotonin receptors, and see what happens to these factors. For example, if pre-treatment with a serotonin-1A blocking drug enhances visual effects, but reduces beta-endorphin stimulation, we can suggest that the serotonin-1A receptor mediates those functions. These data could have use in developing antidotes for certain problematic reactions to psychedelics, and provide insights into important brain-mind interactions. They also might provide glimpses of understanding into spontaneous "psychedelic" states, such as some naturally occurring psychotic phenomena.

We have found a likely candidate for a serotonin-1A blocking drug, our first blockade project. However, we have been unsuccessful in locating a serotonin-2 and serotonin-1C drug, the second series of studies. These two latter receptors are extremely similar, and drugs that block the "2" subtype usually block the "1C" as well. There are several "2/1C" agents at various stages of development within human and animal studies, but so far, no one has agreed to provide such a drug to us. Efforts are continuing.The last '___' study is an attempt to develop tolerance to repeated administrations of '___' at one sitting. All other psychedelics, in man, have demonstrated tolerance to repeated administration. Thus, '___' at the same dose every day for three days, prevents that originally active dose from having any effect on the fourth consecutive day. Several days drug-free are necessary to return to the previous level of sensitivity. '___', administered twice a day (10 a.m. and 3 p.m.) for five days, in the only published human study that attempted to develop tolerance, demonstrated no tolerance. Animal studies have also given inconsistent results, with one study giving it every 2 hours for 21 days and finding only limited tolerance! Some animal studies have even suggested that sensitivity is increased depending on the timing and dose schedule. Finally, humans tolerant to '___' are not tolerant to '___'. Reports "from the field" are also not consistent. If any of you reading this have experience with repeated administration of '___', I would be most interested in hearing about them.

The importance of developing (or not developing) tolerance to '___' derives from at least two perspectives. One is the fact that the inability to generate tolerance to '___' in humans is one of '___''s strongest characteristics suggesting its role in spontaneous psychotic states. Recall that the discovery of '___' in human body fluids set off a flurry of investigations assessing whether it was involved in psychoses. If '___' does have a role in spontaneous hallucinations, and it were possible to develop tolerance to its effects with repeated and/or continuous exposure, then people would only hallucinate when tolerance was no longer in effect. However, that is contrary to clinical experience, inasmuch as people with psychotic illness often hallucinate continuously. Therefore, if we cannot develop tolerance, a role for '___' in mental illness would be supported. Secondly, the "tolerant state" is of great interest in the field of psychopharmacology. Why drugs "no longer work" when they used to is of practical importance in treatment of mental illness, understanding how psychoactive drugs (including alcohol, nicotine, coc aine, '___', and others) work. Particularly with respect to hallucinogens, how a previously psychedelic dose of '___' could have no effect in someone with repeated exposure to the drug is a fascinating question for mind-brain researchers.

Say its true and everything you wrote about is correct an influx of '___' can open a gateway into the universal conciousness that allows communication between ourselves and other beings then what? I am not being rude I am just asking because so many threads are written about '___',E.T e.t.c but then what? where do we go from here? the entities that we converse with do nothing to help us, they offer us crytpic messages and whilst we are on the subject of E.T what do they do to help us?

If there is a global conciousness, a Godhead if you like, then it must be emminating from the body in exactly the same form regardless of whose body. I dont belive in E.T.s at all, so your question isn't really valid.

I believe if, whilst in the experience, you are presented with 'greys' or animal-human 'hybrids', then the experience must have something to do with our conciousness and/or DNA.

Originally posted by Trojan_libido
If there is a global conciousness, a Godhead if you like, then it must be emminating from the body in exactly the same form regardless of whose body. I dont belive in E.T.s at all, so your question isn't really valid.

I believe if, whilst in the experience, you are presented with 'greys' or animal-human 'hybrids', then the experience must have something to do with our conciousness and/or DNA.

We are all human beings therefore, any point anyone makes is valid, not necessary to other people but to themselves. Now in regards to E.T thats entirely up to you but for me the more I stick my head down the hole and look the more I see just how small we are and how very little we really know.

Don't get me wrong I am 100% certain that the pineal is the gateway to the soul and that '___' is used to subdue and to counterbalance us after we have been dreaming or have been in a higher state of awareness. I mean just imagine what life would be like if '___' was legal? (lets not get on that topic)

I lucid dream EVERYNIGHT I have had many insights into a higher state of awareness without drugs (whether or not its a part of our brain that we don't access I can't tell), IMHO our makers gave us '___' for many reasons however the two that stand out IMO are to keep us grounded after sleep state and to access a higher state of humaness/conciousness when we ready. But and its a big but.....Then what? what do we do with the knowledge (If we are right that is) ok so we tell others who tell other who tell others then what?

We try to convince people that UFO'S are real? we try to convince people that live after death is a reality, we try to convince people that the government is corrupt and conspiring against the human race, so what? what can we do about it? ET are abducting people everyday on this planet they are doing what they want when they want and nothing can stop them. Yet people choose to settle down in their boxes and bury their heads in the sand. Up until recently I was outraged at this but in truth I can now relate to them. Its not always a good idea to look outside of the box without knowing exactly what your looking for.





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There will be a remarkable difference between the way the endogenous '___' is administered by the body and subsequently felt, and how forced '___' is administered and felt. Clearly the forced experience will not be an exact mirror of the natural method. What can be extrapolated though, is the experience of '___' and the experience of 'concious' entities, has a lot to do with naturally occurring mystical states (Angel visitations, NBE, NDEs etc.)

I believe there are no UFO's of alien origin.

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Fair enough, thats your opinion and your entitled to it.

On a side note have you heard the accounts of the participants of the study that was conducted on 100 people who they gave '___' a whopping majority of people witnessed the same thing its fascinating.

But my point is still valid, so what? so what if the majority of these participants witnessed talking to non terrestrial creatures?so what if these creatures tried in vain to make them understand about the higher planes of life so what? what now? where do we go with this knowledge? what can we possibly do?

Yeah I read about Strassmans experiments, and participated in one of my own. I think its really important to pscyhologists and the religious zealots alike to understand whats happening with this substance.

I don't really want to throw my own far reaching conclusions out there on this thread, but IF we are communicating with entities in this hallucinatory space, then the communication is entirely internal. Everyone on this planet has a lot of shared experiences, and everyone has almost identical biology. Therefore the experience must be eminating from the biology, and since its often animal-human hybrids, or generic humanoids, then I believe its possible we're communicating directly with the 'spirit' within DNA. Its here that it gets metaphysical for me, and something I don't want to get in to on this thread for fear of 'the baby being chucked out with the bath water'.

But my point is still valid, so what?

Thats what people said about many many theories until they were developed into technologies. The spirit of curiousity should be enough!

But a real answer is actually within the text... If '___' is responsible for psychotic episodes, spontaneous religious and UFO experiences and shamanic initiation, then we may be able to find a blocking agent for it.

This could mean better anti-psychotic drugs, or even a cure for mental disorders. Does that answer your question?

They already have an anti blocking device its called H2O water calcifies the pineal gland therefore minimises the secretion of '___' in to our brains.

What if its not all biological and that our bodies are just vessels housing the souls? what if the experiences of meeting other entities is not physical,mental but spiritual?

What if '___' was put here on earth to be used as a gateway to a living library? so many what ifs.

As regards to blocking '___' I can see where your coming from that would be good to stop mental illness that would be good to pacify the over active brain but I believe it would have more of a detramental effect than a positive one.

What is the MAXIMUM sentence you can expect to receive if caught with '___'? 35 YEARS? why is that?

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Have Strassman et. al. experimented with abductees? If not, how can they say their subjects are reporting the same things as abductees? Even if on the surface it appears true, only an abductee can say for certain, "Yep. That's exactly the same thing."

@Franspeakfree: I have no idea why hallucinogens are placed in the highest category of control (social and personal damage), when there is little to no addiction potential and I don't think theres a ND50, which is the lethal dose. Basically, its put there from fear from the politicians, and fear from the ignorant public which is then used as votes in elections. Its BS. Plus, how can they justify making illegal a chemical in animal conciousness?

@Jeremy_Vaeni: Strassman only tested volunteers as scientifically as possible, with a few back stories of volunteers who agreed to highlight some of their mindsets before and after the experience.

The correlation between UFO abductions and Shamanic experiences is detailed in a book called 'Supernatural', but I have experiences myself that brought me to the book in the first place.

I guess you need to have insight into some pseudo hallucinogens before you can even comprehend the power of '___' and its true hallucinations. Because this is endogenous in the body, and because of its effects, it should be more thoroughly investigated by a wider range of scientists. Unfortunately, because of fear and politics experiments with these substances are few and far between.

I'd love to hear about actual abductions, especially involving implants, but this is not really the environment for people posting anonymous truth.

We each communicate with our own symbol sets. And those symbol sets differ based on our upbringing through our families, peers, society, culture, experiences, education, and knowledge. For instance, most people born and raised in America associate the color black with death, but the Chinese associate death with the color white. I believe we are basically experiencing/communicating the same general things, we're just saying them differently. And without understanding the symbol set of the other you are bound to think, "What the hell is he/she/it talking about?!".

Communication is not only a logical process, it's an intuitive one as well. Ever wondered why you chose specific words/wording to convey what you're thinking? Connotation is a very powerful component of communication, and should not be ignored. The problem is in the subjective interpretation of communication, which is a realm most logically minded people don't like to venture in. It's too messy, so to speak. But they usually don't realize they are doing it themselves, (this intuitive codifying). Even scrupulously written textbooks connote more than what is explicitly said, (ghost messages from the authors).

So, abductions from aliens, shamanic rites of passage/initiations, '___'/hallucinogen studies, etc, must all pass through the filter that is our OWN personal symbol sets in which connotation plays a critical role, (metaphors anyone??).

As for the cause and effect of '___' and "spiritual" experiences, we still don't know. But let's not fall for a false dichotomy or false cause, though. Do extraordinary experiences cause the release of natural '___'? Maybe they're both side effects of something else we haven't discovered/put together yet. Maybe we ARE communicating with more knowledgable beings, we're just using different symbol sets. We shouldn't discount the possibility that there are many other variables at work here, (which I've found is far more often the case).

The question is, what do you think is more plausible, Alien Abduction, or misinterpreted shamanic initiation experience?

Originally posted by Trojan_libido
The correlation between UFO abductions and Shamanic experiences is detailed in a book called 'Supernatural', but I have experiences myself that brought me to the book in the first place.

I guess you need to have insight into some pseudo hallucinogens before you can even comprehend the power of '___' and its true hallucinations. Because this is endogenous in the body, and because of its effects, it should be more thoroughly investigated by a wider range of scientists. Unfortunately, because of fear and politics experiments with these substances are few and far between.

I'd love to hear about actual abductions, especially involving implants, but this is not really the environment for people posting anonymous truth.

I've read Strassman's book and (most of) 'Supernatural.' Graham Hancock isn't an abductee so he can't really compare the experiences except to say his trip played out similarly to what he's read about in abduction lit.

I didn't know if Strassman has, since his initial study, tested abductees. I know a couple of abductees who have taken '___' or similar hallucinogens and they say it isn't the same. For one, they know they're tripping when they are tripping. There is that self-awareness through the experience. For another, it's not as powerful, vivid and real as the real thing.

I dunno...the idea of '___' as a gateway to other dimensions or a radio tuning them in really appealed to me until I started thinking about the importance of set and setting. If you need to be in a certain space both physically and mentally, thinking happy thoughts, to have a "good trip" then that, to my mind, means it really is a hallucination. Why should one's emotional state impact a glimpse of another objective reality to the extent that it controls it?

A friend recently told me the things I'd have to take off my walls to make sure we had a good trip if I were to ever take a hallucinogen in my house. "Oh, that mask would have to come down, because it will come alive and scare us."

Well then it's not a reality we're tapping into. It's a brain chemistry we're disordering.

Which is more plausible? It depends on who you are.

To critics, misinterpretation of shamanic initiation experiences is just as implausible as alien abductions or the tooth fairy or Santa Claus. It's all the product of a fantasy prone personality, and actually begs the question "is shamanism real?" But to the abductee/contactee, their experience(s) make it far more plausible than just a hallucination or "shamanic rights of passage".

I agree, there is definitely a link between shamanism and abductions, I believe shamans visit other dimensions and aliens are actually from other dimensions so this theory makes a lot of sense to me.

Originally posted by mwall614
I agree, there is definitely a link between shamanism and abductions, I believe shamans visit other dimensions and aliens are actually from other dimensions so this theory makes a lot of sense to me.

Now thats layman terms, and that makes alot of sense.

I remember once reading a book about a man a skeptic man by the name of either Graham Hancock or Robert Bauval that tried an experiment with the yucka extract. He experienced whilst in an altered state other entities aswell as snakes and psychedelic colours. The experience changed his outlook on life. If only everyone in the world could experience the same thing maybe the world would change forever.

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I would say the critics problem there is that the '___' and 4-phosphoryloxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine and 4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine experiences are available to non-pathological personalities.

It's open and there for every person.