Victor Returns Alien Interview Follow up 2008 ** Video **

I still don't understand Victors motivations for going to these guys to sell the videos. He claims his goal is to get the info out. So why not post on ATS as anonymous? Everyone knows about this site. There are even counter-intel guys here.

Someone else brought up the question about the second film. What did we gain from it? It seems the only goal was to promote the first video? Or?

If this guy is dying, why not get with say....Linda Moulton Howe and get the real story out? Someone who will ask pertinent and informed questions?

The way this thing has been handled, it's no wonder the video made no real impact on the community other than the 'wow factor'.

I truly believe the the Greys understand that our country is NOT run by the people for the people. I think they understand that there is a shadow group here. Therefore, we should not fear repercussions. Shadow guys maybe, but not us. I believe they are on the spiritual path. They would rather sacrifice their host body instead of risking harm to another entity in an escape or rescue attempt. They are fully conscious that their bodies are merely shells for their consciousness. What we have heard about their cloning techniques only adds to this assumption.

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I have just watched Robert Dean's third video. Does he still want us to believe his first claims now he is in with the Nibiru crowd? I do not believe anything he has to state after that one. Nibiru has been debunked time and time again, and yet people still believe that a star is orbiting around the sun so we cannot see it. Some other thoughts:

1. The person who calls himself Victor in the latest video is probably not Robert Dean.

2. It is a very real possibility that Robert Dean and Victor were the same person in the 1990s videos. There are many similarities in the face, beard and ponytail. There is also the room that they are interviewed in that looks the same. Is this proof they are the same? No, but it can be argued that they were one in the same.

3. The latest video of Victor seems to be made to sell DVDs. With all the curious and true believers, they can sell at least 250,000 units at a profit of $10 a disk. This would easily pay for the original investment of the video if it is faked. (Didn't they sell that one when it first came out?0

4. We are asked to disprove the video, and we are also chastised for asking for proof. I have seen the video, and do know that computer effects were quite good back then. (Jurassic Park anyone?) It is a very interesting video, but we have been burned before with the autopsy film. Many were proclaiming that one to be the real deal, and it made the UFO community look very bad. The point here is it is easy to make a fake film or video since the late 1980s.

5. There are many cases out there that I believe to be the real deal. The Hill case, the Papau New Guinea case and many others. They have very reliable witnesses and physical evidence in the Hill case to back them up. I am stating this to show I do believe we are being visited. I just would like to see all the claims made backed up, or investigated vigorously to find out the truth.

As I have stated in the past, too many people want to believe what is stated. The goal should be the truth, even if it means answers we may not like or want to hear.

do like the fact that whitley strieber commented on the way it 'moved' and that whoever did the 'puppeting' knew how they moved.

im no technical expert therefore i tend to lean towards body language and vocal tones in ufo films. i dont know the body language of a grey but it did look interesting to me to say the least.

Originally posted by watchd0g
I will go back tonight and watch the video again, I do not recall seeing the alien blink, but to be honest i was watching football at the same time and was doing a lot of pausing of the vid.

Hehe fair enough, I know football can be really distracting.

Anyway the alien doesn't blink, it sort of winks. As in it squeezes its left eye somewhat (right for viewer). The link I provided shows this first at normal speed and then slow motion. I could swear I saw it clearly but then again maybe I'm starting to see things.

Again might I add this has been a great thread. Very civil for the most part which is quite refreshing to see.

Indeed we all don't have to agree but atleast we can be civil so it seems.

[edit on 15/12/08 by Fastwalker81]

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ok , well _ went back and watched it again - and missed again - but I rember on page 2 of the thread someone posted the new Victor interiew in 2 parts and found this while watching part 1.

slow motion oops I see Fastwalker posted this as well

I do see what you mean now about the 'wink', and is it me, or are the shoulders more visable in this one?

Somehow watching it again, just the parts of the alien, without listening to all the other experts, it almost seemed a bit more real today.

Am I to assume they paid Victor again for this second interview ?

The captions say special bonus - was this second interview done for the dvd I have heard mentioned ?

Anyways - this has been out for 11 years and is still not debunked that I know of.

[edit on 15-12-2008 by watchd0g]

[edit on 15-12-2008 by watchd0g]

Originally posted by kidflash2008
1. The person who calls himself Victor in the latest video is probably not Robert Dean.

I agree.

2. It is a very real possibility that Robert Dean and Victor were the same person in the 1990s videos. There are many similarities in the face, beard and ponytail. There is also the room that they are interviewed in that looks the same. Is this proof they are the same? No, but it can be argued that they were one in the same.

Well in my opinion they are just not the same person. The thing that stood out for me were the voice comparisons. Now that is by no means proof or anything but the difference between voices seems to be quite big.

video.google.com...
Thanks to free_spirit for providing the vid.

3. The latest video of Victor seems to be made to sell DVDs. With all the curious and true believers, they can sell at least 250,000 units at a profit of $10 a disk. This would easily pay for the original investment of the video if it is faked. (Didn't they sell that one when it first came out?0

Yes this last DVD seems to be created to milk some more money out of all of this. And yes they sold basicly the same one 11 years ago. This one is digitally remastered and includes all the material, such as the Coast to Coast interview with Victor. I would like to see the high quality version though.. If they faked it I assume you mean the film studio? Aspie posted something like that a few pages back. Could be, but it
would be extremely sad if they did that. I'm not from America but isn't that a form of fraud and thus illegal?

4. We are asked to disprove the video, and we are also chastised for asking for proof. I have seen the video, and do know that computer effects were quite good back then. (Jurassic Park anyone?) It is a very interesting video, but we have been burned before with the autopsy film. Many were proclaiming that one to be the real deal, and it made the UFO community look very bad. The point here is it is easy to make a fake film or video since the late 1980s.

Well Jurassic Park is from 1993. The first good CGI in my opinion came with Terminator II in 1991. From how I understand it CGI was extremely expensive back then. But then again if one is willing to fork out the cash..
Maybe we can ask Philipe Kling David. He is a member here and creator of "the captive gray" CGI. I personally think if they faked it they used a puppet, which is also no easy thing to do to say the least.

5. There are many cases out there that I believe to be the real deal. The Hill case, the Papau New Guinea case and many others. They have very reliable witnesses and physical evidence in the Hill case to back them up. I am stating this to show I do believe we are being visited. I just would like to see all the claims made backed up, or investigated vigorously to find out the truth.

As I have stated in the past, too many people want to believe what is stated. The goal should be the truth, even if it means answers we may not like or want to hear.

Well if aliens are just a fairy tail its all for the better I think. Because if this is real then they have kept the biggest discovery in our known history secret for technology greed at best..

[edit on 15/12/08 by Fastwalker81]

Originally posted by watchd0g
I do see what you mean now about the 'wink', and is it me, or are the shoulders more visable in this one?

When the doctors come in and shine the flashlight around most of the torso and arms become visible. I do see your point about the shoulders, maybe it looks that way because of the rest of the surroundings are not visible in the slow motion.

Am I to assume they paid Victor again for this second interview ?

Yes they did, the interviewer mentioned this in the 2008 interview.

The captions say special bonus - was this second interview done for the dvd I have heard mentioned ?

Correct I linked the official website below. Technically there are 3 interviews. One in the official documentary from 1996, one radio interview on Coast to Coast AM and this 2008 interview.

www.thealieninterview.com...

If you didn't listen to the 1997 radio interview yet I can recommend it. Its over an hour long and goes into more detail. And the commercials are hilarious as they are 11 years old. One is about pre-paid cards for cell phones, which was state of the art back then.

Anyway you can find the 1997 radio interview here.

Coast to Coast AM 1997

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thanks for the coast link. I'm a avid listener and probably heard it - but its been a long, long time.

I tried to do some research on the code DNI as mentioned by someone else and didn't come up with much that match. their is a office of the Director of National Intelligence, but it was not created until April 2005.

from the sites faq at www.dni.gov:

QUESTION: When was the ODNI established?

ANSWER: The ODNI began operations on April 22, 2005. However, the idea of a Director of National Intelligence (DNI) dates to 1955 when a blue-ribbon study commissioned by Congress recommended that the Director of Central Intelligence should employ a deputy to run the CIA so that the director could focus on coordinating the overall intelligence effort. This notion emerged as a consistent theme in many subsequent studies of the Intelligence Community commissioned by both the legislative and executive branches over the next five decades. It was the attacks of September 11, however, that finally moved forward the longstanding call for major intelligence reform and the creation of a Director of National Intelligence

Yes thanks for the link. I love C2C and I'm surprised I wasn't aware Victor was on the show. Interesting web site also.

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1. The CGI of Jurassic Park was expensive because they were creating it for the first time. After the software was created to make the creatures, it was cheaper to do. It also depends on how much CGI is used, and what the effects are. To create one alien and not need any background effects would be much cheaper than to create the waves in "The Perfect Storm".

2. One would have to look at all the fine print on the DVD. It may have a "for entertainment purposes", or a disclaimer stating the views are not that of the DVD company releasing the title. That would cover the distributor and others from any legal charges.

3. I would also love to see the remastered version of this video. I just don't have the money to spend on items like that for now. If I see it as a deal, or a good used price, I may get it.

4. My statements about the possibility of Victor being CSM Dean and such are made so that the UFO community can get some type of vetting process to make sure that is not the case. In the earlier interviews, a good argument can be made (and is) that the individuals are one and the same.

5. The truth is out there, and there are many who want to make a lot of money on people who want to believe. The UFO community is to easy a target for scams, or people selling their DVDs, books and seminars on what they claim to know. Whenever I see someone is hawking a book or DVD, I get a little apprehensive about it. Again, people have a right to make money, and I have no problem with that. I just am cautious when I see that. If everyone else is going to profit on what is being said, I don't see a problem with the persons involved getting a cut. It is good they are upfront about it, but it should also way in on what is being said. How much is up to the people listening or watching, but it should be kept in mind.

I can understand him fine,and he sure sounds annoying,all he basically does is whine and belittle people,me thinks the goon protests too much,I'm suspicious for sure

I think the Rocket video production name that Victor mentions might have been a distraction.

Does anyone remember the 1997 movie Star Kid?

Plot: Shy seventh-grader Spencer Griffith's life changes when the meteor falls into local junkyard and he finds a Cybersuit.

On the Company Credits page at IMDB it lists a:

Criswell Productions - animatronics

Now what's interesting is that Criswell Productions is also listed on the Company Credits page for Area 51: The Alien Interview:

Criswell Productions - sound stage



Here is the trailer for Star Kid - www.videodetective.com...











Is it possible that Criswell Productions soundstage and animatronics were used to create Victor's alien interview footage?

Originally posted by watchd0g
I tried to do some research on the code DNI as mentioned by someone else and didn't come up with much that match. their is a office of the Director of National Intelligence, but it was not created until April 2005.

The official designation is Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI). Some people claim DNI does not exist and that this is evidence that people like Bob Lazar and Victor are hoaxers. To me it seems strange that hoaxers would call it DNI and not ONI. I mean if DNI does not exist, why use it? This would compromise your hoax.

I'm sure you are familiar with the Bob Lazar case. Independant investigator George Knapp did a lot of research on this case and came up with the following document.

Bob Lazar Paycheck

Tell me what you think.

Lazar claimed to have worked at the same military base as Victor, this being S4. So they both talk about the same base, and both have some sort of physical evidence (document and video) that both clearly show DNI involvement.

So these 2 cases have similarities. There even is a 3rd case that can possibly be linked to these 2, but I will get into that later.

Either Victor is a hoaxer and copied the DNI thing from Bob Lazar or both men are telling the truth..

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clearly there is a DNI - thx I think we can put that one to bed.

Yes I love the Lazar case - Knapp hosts coast to coast am a couple sundays a month.

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Excellent work freelance! I think you may have proved the video may be a hoax after all.

Fastwalker81, I have many problems with Mr Lazar's alleged paycheck.

1. It is cut by the Department of Defense. Mr Lazar worked for a contractor. They would have cut his check, and it would be in the name of the contractor, not the government.
2. He claimed to work in the highly classified area for a short period of time. It would of taken at least six months, maybe a year to get such a clearance. Mr Lazar would have been given some odd jobs and projects to keep him busy while waiting to get his clearance. He would never have been allowed into such a highly classified place until he had the clearances necessary and the need to know.

Originally posted by freelance_zenarchist
Now what's interesting is that Criswell Productions is also listed on the Company Credits page for Area 51: The Alien Interview:

Criswell Productions - sound stage

Is it possible that Criswell Productions soundstage and animatronics were used to create Victor's alien interview footage?

Criswell Productions sounds like the company of John Criswell. John Criswell was featured in the first Alien Interview documentary as one of two special effects artists who gave their opinion about the footage, the other being Rick Baker. Criswell also made all the puppets for the story reconstructions in which "the ET cover up" was explained. There is a reasonable amount of footage depicting his puppets in the documentary.

So I assume it would be normal for Criswell Productions to be listed on the company credits unless I'm missing something.

Thanks for sharing.

Originally posted by kidflash2008
1. It is cut by the Department of Defense. Mr Lazar worked for a contractor. They would have cut his check, and it would be in the name of the contractor, not the government.

This is actually a very good point you make, never thought of that.

I do have some questions though. Is it confirmed that Lazar worked for a contractor, meaning EG&G in this case and not the government? The only thing I can find is that he did an "interview" at an EG&G owned building at McCarran airport. Furthermore if the W-2 slip is fraudulent then why did Lazar use a non existing government entity being DNI in this case. According to official sources DNI does not exist. Why use it for your hoax as you will be found out almost instantly? I would have used atleast an entity that is known to exist but that's just me. This would also imply that the Alien Interview footage is probably fake then as it also mentioned DNI which in that case may have been copied from the fraudulent W-2 slip.. A stretch but of course possible.

By the way may I ask if you have any information where George Knapp got the W-2 slip? Was it Lazar that supplied it or did Knapp aquire it via different means?

2. He claimed to work in the highly classified area for a short period of time. It would of taken at least six months, maybe a year to get such a clearance. Mr Lazar would have been given some odd jobs and projects to keep him busy while waiting to get his clearance. He would never have been allowed into such a highly classified place until he had the clearances necessary and the need to know.

Is it confirmed that he did not already have a high clearance from his employment at LANL, which the government was trying to deny? Also is there documentation or anything that states the procedures and time it takes to obtain a high security clearance?

Don't get me wrong I'm not doubting you or anything but I'm unfamiliar with these clearance procedures and such.




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With regards to Lazars paycheck, if he were really in that line of work, would he even get that kind of paycheck? I ask because here in the UK, a lot of people in highly secretive work get their pay via other untracable methods. I know this because I worked for the 'Awards and Benefits' department who deal with student loans, and certain people would have to get special treatment because their details/pay cannot be verified in the normal means, they have to give you a special code they get from MoD/whoever, that you can then check with MoD/Foreign office/etc.

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From Lazar's own statements, he worked for a contractor. Most civilian workers at military bases do, although one can find many civil service slots available. Even if he did work directly with the military, he did not have time enough for his clearance to go through. They would of kept him busy on other projects until he was cleared.

It can take a very long time to get the type of top secret clearance needed for the job he was supposed to do. I do not know about the other alleged job, but he would still need some DoD paperwork to complete for the clearance. My brother had a very high security clearance, so I do know of what I speak.

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I like the Bob Lazar case as well. And I'll tell you that it does not have to take that long to get a clearance. Second, there are interim clearances that apply while the others are processed. All that means is he is watched and escorted while still being allowed.

I am inclined to believe Bob Lazar. Not because of any pay-stub, but simply from listening to many many interviews. His story remains the same every time he tells it, and he can easily elaborate on anything he is questioned about.