Porn...

While we are at it maybe we should make all of these things illegal too: Alcohol, Smoking, Fast Food, Soda, Candy Bars, the internet, and especially World of Warcraft!

What an excellent idea! That way everybody would be forced to get a life, but you forgot to add ATS to the list.

Originally posted by apaulo
Porn should only be prescribed to men with erectile dysfunction!



How could a man who can't get an erection through real live intercourse be able to suddenly get one through sex on the tv? It's still the same act that he fails to get an erection from. The only difference is it's on tv.

Shucks, maybe his wife looks like the old lady on page 1. I don’t know. Supposedly, people without erectile dysfunction who are attractive still need porn when they can have the real thing…

BUT that was actually intended to be a joke.

Does anyone here have a sense of humor at all, or do you take your porn to seriously?

"apaulo"

That's a girls name, right?

Oh no. DooRight called me a girl.



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[edit on 6-12-2008 by apaulo]

Originally posted by Mike_A
So there was never any sexual abuse or domestic violence before porn came along?

Yes, there was sex abuse and domestic violence before porn. That kind of violence is caused by a mentality that has been around for ages, way before porn came along. What someone watches is not to blame. That person's actions are to blame. Those types who would be violent toward women and children would do so with or without porn.

There is no real reason to make sex acts between consenting adults recorded on video illegal. The only gray area would be SMBD and that is something that is hard to discern unless someone knows the people involved in the video or those people sign a waiver saying they are volunteering to be in the video.

Child porn, however, should be illegal in all cases.

Those are just my opinions on the subject.

Originally posted by Rusty P. Shackleford
Child porn, however, should be illegal in all cases.

I agree 100%

The attitude concerning sex is the very same attitude that led up to the sexual revolution in the 60's.

Back then we didn't talk about sex. It was just something a woman had to do to make her husband happy.

Well, what a surprise mama got. We didn't buy into the "sex is for procreation and benefit to your man deal. It was fun and most enjoyable.
We hurried into the era of free love.

What is wrong with the sight of the human body? Why is a natural response wrong?Please, let's not drift back to the dark ages when sex was taboo.

I do agree that any and all forms of child pornography is absolutely wrong and violators should be shot.

In my opinion scenes from one of my favorite TV shows is much more damaging than pornography..........That would be blood and guts on CSI.

Originally posted by dizziedame
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In my opinion scenes from one of my favorite TV shows is much more damaging than pornography..........That would be blood and guts on CSI.

The strange thing about that, that I have noticed too, is that no one ever tried to get the gore out of anything kids watch. They seem to think the human body is the evil and the violence and gore are fine. I don't get it. The violence is way more traumatizing and damaging to children.

Pornography has been found on the walls of Pompeii and other ancient civilizations. It is not new, and will always be around whether it is legal or not.

1. Mom and Pop video stores were able to thrive the box store rivals by renting porn movies in the back areas.
2. With the internet, you can find anything porn related. (I did not have a computer in my sons' room until they were older.)
3. Making porn illegal will assure that underage persons will be used. There are federal laws out there on record keeping. If it is illegal, why would anyone bother with the records or if the participants are 18?
4. Would legitimate movies that have graphic scenes in them be banned? ("Nine Songs", "Brown Bunny", "Ken Park" etc)

This is an interesting argument that will never go away.

oh snap.
someone brought up the brown bunny. that scence is crazy. chloe really dedicates herself to her work apparently

Please don't forget.....

The difference now as compared to any other age in history is the AMOUNT of highly graphic and explicitly detailed images available. Porn is a click away from anyone with a computer.

Children are being exposed to sex at a way younger age. Anyone who doesn’t notice doesn’t have kids or they’re oblivious to the incredible growth of decadence and self-indulgence. Morality and dignity are character traits that very few value anymore at all. When you take away a person’s humanity and make them into a piece of meat, or an object it creates selfishness. A better word for it is also Narcissism. I see this trait growing very quickly. A vast majority of people are becoming spiritual black holes that do not care about anyone but themselves.

Also, would someone please tell me why prostitution is illegal? They’re consenting adults, right?

And why do we have laws anyway? Why don’t we just let people decide for themselves what is right or wrong? Why have court systems at all? Just let people be. Right?

“To hell with morality, dignity, and character. Who needs it?”
This is the general attitude that I see growing at an alarming rate.

Your argument is nothing but conjecture. Can you cite any evidence for the connection you make between the existence/amount of porn and abuse?

Originally posted by apaulo
Children are being exposed to sex at a way younger age. Anyone who doesn’t notice doesn’t have kids or they’re oblivious to the incredible growth of decadence and self-indulgence.

Not in the sense that they can see pornography. Sex on TV (in the UK) cannot be shown after a certain time, more hardcore pornography can only be accessed via pin protected channels after 10pm, channels can be pin protected, websites can be blocked and computers placed in family rooms. Of course if you’re not a very good parent then that’s your fault; the responsible amongst us should not be penalised for that.

Originally posted by apaulo
Also, would someone please tell me why prostitution is illegal? They’re consenting adults, right?

Because of legislatures allowing their personal feelings on morality to override their logic. Somewhat like in this thread I’d say. Can you give me a logical argument as to why prostitution should be illegal if it is properly regulated involving consenting adults?

And to suggest that allowing one thing means you should allow everything is childish and a bit of a copout. The reason we have laws is to, broadly speaking, protect people and society. Allowing people to look at porn has not been shown to cause harm to anyone to the extended that it necessitates a ban.


I don’t want to assume anything about you but it would seem as though your views are very much influenced by religion. Am I right?

Otherwise, why is porn immoral?

Your argument is nothing but conjecture. Can you cite any evidence for the connection you make between the existence/amount of porn and abuse?

Detective Robert Navarro of the LAPD made the following statements in a report titled:

Harm ful Effects of Pornography

Los Angeles Case Study

Ted Bundy confessed just before his execution that his involvement with hardcore pornography was the single most cause of his anti-social behavior.

Public apathy continues to be a major obstacle to obscenity enforcement. Citizens are generally uniformed on the issues of obscenity and pornography, and often unconcerned until they are directly affected. The average person thinks of pornograpghy in terms of Playboy, or Hustler magazine…

As for my own quote, these are my own observations made in my city in talking with the people here.

…if you’re not a very good parent then that’s your fault; the responsible amongst us should not be penalised for that.

There are a lot of people who are not good parents. A lot of people who have zero interest in being a parent, and that really is the problem. So what do you do? Penalizing every bad parent is about as unrealistic as making porn illegal.

legislatures allowing their personal feelings on morality to override their logic. Somewhat like in this thread I’d say. Can you give me a logical argument as to why prostitution should be illegal if it is properly regulated involving consenting adults?

The same legislature allows porn but not prostitution. This is merely an observation that I question. If they can see the immorality of the one, why not the other? The answer is the First Amendment.

Despite my personal beliefs, I don’t think it takes a rocket scientist to realize that there are some harmful effects from porn. It just takes a little honesty.

And to suggest that allowing one thing means you should allow everything is childish and a bit of a copout.

I guess I need to end sentances where sarcasm is used with; ((SaRcasM))

I don’t want to assume anything about you but it would seem as though your views are very much influenced by religion. Am I right?

Otherwise, why is porn immoral?

morality means a code of conduct held to be authoritative in matters of right and wrong.

Obviously, porn is immoral. Even a child could answer that one. If it were righteous, honorable, respectable, well thought of, or “moral”, we wouldn’t even be discussing it.

Fact of the matter is, this issue has been attacked. The Meese Commission, during the Reagan administration, set out to study the effects of porn on society in general and the effects on women. The results of the “Final Report” concluded that pornography harms the individual and society, but the Supreme Court ruled that to make any law restricting porn violates the First Amendment.

BUT, debate has never been my desire. If it were, I’d be on the debate forum. I was interested in opinions, but so far I have only managed to attract the pornicostals.

And to answer your question, YES, I am one of those people that believes in God… a moral and Holy God.


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Originally posted by anxietydisorder
Please don't forget.....

Ahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaaaaahahahahah. Beautiful.

What I think is funny that most porn is bought by Christians. Maybe porn would no longer be needed if we where taught at a early age that sex is sex. Sex is not evil and not the root of all evil. Maybe if we looked at sex as natural and with a healthy attitude we might no longer need porn. Has anyone do a study on these people and asked how was the additude in which sex was held in their household. I really have no need for porn. I have watched it, but I was raised in a household where sex was not taboo.

The report and quote doesn’t support your assertion. Aside from the Bundy quote the report does not demonstrate that the direct cause for the mentioned crimes was viewing pornography. Watching porn while committing a sexual crime does not mean porn was the reason for this crime anymore than watching a cooking programme while committing acts of cannibalism means the cooking programme was the cause.

Also as far as the Bundy quote goes, A) who’s to say he wasn’t lying to pass blame? And B) how many people have said they killed someone because god told them to do it? And why shouldn’t that mean we ban religion along with porn?

When I asked for evidence I was thinking more along the lines of a peer reviewed, psychological study linking the viewing of pornography to violent sexual crimes. Not the opinions of a single officer in a 6 page document, the results of which are unknown; for all we know he may have been laughed out of the presentation he was to give with this.

Originally posted by apaulo
There are a lot of people who are not good parents. A lot of people who have zero interest in being a parent, and that really is the problem. So what do you do? Penalizing every bad parent is about as unrealistic as making porn illegal.

So you accept that bad parenting is the real problem and that both tackling that and trying to ban porn is equally unrealistic yet you decide to target the one that is both unrealistic AND not the actual problem? Why?

Originally posted by apaulo
The same legislature allows porn but not prostitution. This is merely an observation that I question. If they can see the immorality of the one, why not the other? The answer is the First Amendment.

Well in the US prostitution is legal in certain states.

In the UK we do allow porn (to a confused extent) but not prostitution which is contradictory and daft. As I said it’s caused by knee-jerk views on sexuality in the UK.

Originally posted by apaulo
Despite my personal beliefs, I don’t think it takes a rocket scientist to realize that there are some harmful effects from porn.

There are harmful effects from everything. However your OP grossly exaggerates the effects of pornography without any real backing.

Originally posted by apaulo
Obviously, porn is immoral. Even a child could answer that one. If it were righteous, honorable, respectable, well thought of, or “moral”, we wouldn’t even be discussing it.

That’s a circular argument; we’re only discussing it because you personally deem it immoral not because it is ipso facto immoral. I didn’t ask whether porn is immoral I asked why do YOU believe it is so?

Originally posted by apaulo
The Meese Commission, during the Reagan administration

You mean the Meese Report that was criticized by practically everyone as biased, including from those whose research was used as part of the report?


As for what you’re looking for, you have my opinion. You don’t have to answer.

Unfortunately I just can't agree that porn is even partially responsible for hate crimes against women and children... At least 9 out of every 10 guys has watched at least some porn... and it's good I guess for those lonely, fat men who might turn to drastic measures if they didn't at least have porn to keep them satisfied. However, I absolutely hate porn, and I read in Readers Digest that watching it lowers some kind of chemical in guy's brains and they become addicted to it, and getting off normally becomes harder for them. I also knew this guy who watched porn ALL the time because he was addicted to it. So it can become just like a drug and I also think guys who watch porn all the time are pathetic. I wish it wasn't so accesible and such a marketable business, but all we can do is wish because as long as there's guys there will be porn. :bnghd:

Porn lacks love. An act purely physical, and without attachment. A voyeuristic tendency, that trespasses into the integrity of every day life.
The lustful thought upon another unsolicited; An undertaking natural, that has hidden repercussions.

The man who cant perform like those on the silver screen, or the woman who doesn't meet her husbands expectations.

At what point does it become mental infidelity, and a projected adulterous behavior? For those in love, is it truly ones desire to have the one they love aroused by another? What if that should happen in the work place, or through a mutual friend? Do they really love you, or just your body. A mere physical convenience as a means to an end? What is making love...

From personal experience, the wandering eye is never happy.

Surely a couple in love, who wish to share themselves, do not need an induced arousal from porn. And if they do, is it really you, or the porn they are responding to.

There is a strength to commitment, and intimacy. Envision if you could read your ladies mind, or the woman who can read her mans mind. What might they see? Lustful thoughts of another, or are you the focus of their being.

I speak from experience, and porn, should it rely on myself today, would be a dead industry. The oppression that exists within the field, and the capitalizing of lust. The unseen victims, and the great wrongs perpetuated upon the unwilling. The torn marriages, and an unhealthy approach to intimacy, it is my opinion that porn does more damage then good.

Everything is permissible, but not everything is beneficial. Be true to your lover.

Peace


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That’s irrelevant; whether or not watching porn is considered infidelity or a demonstration that one partner no longer loves another is for individual couples to decide. There are plenty of people and couples that understand that sexual arousal is a function of biology and not necessarily related to feelings of love. Thus they are perfectly happy to allow pornography into their sex lives. Some people even engage in group sex whilst still maintaining healthy relationships with their partner!

Originally posted by HIFIGUY Surely a couple in love, who wish to share themselves, do not need an induced arousal from porn.

Maybe, maybe not but what if a couple simply wants to introduce porn into their sex lives because they find it exciting? It doesn’t have to be a question of necessity.

More rantings on this subject:

1. Ted Bundy was blaming porn for his crimes as he was being prepared for the death chamber. He was ranting to try and find a way out of his doom. Anyone who uses those rantings to state there is a link between what he did and porn need some type of help themselves.

2. I also think children are exposed to this stuff at a much earlier age. That is why you do not let them have a computer in their room until they are old enough for it. Don't be afraid to talk about sex and the subject with them as they get older.

3. You can now order channels and have some channels blocked if you have kids. They may be able to override some home systems, so it is better to just not order them in the first place when the kids are young. (Having kids is give and take, they take you give!)

4. Sex is everywhere, with oral sex jokes and other material on TV. Even the show "Married With Children" now gets aired on many local TV stations at around 5pm. The answer may lie with turning off the TV and doing activities with the children. (Anyone here remember game night, or book night?)

Basically, it is up to us individuals and parents to control what our children see. If you want to see it, that's fine by me.

CHILDREN ARE BEING USED BY PORN INDUSTRY:Rid the world of this decay, scum and and the increasing victimization of thousands of innocent children. Children are sverely victimized by pornography. The combination of pornography and, YES, the pedophiles it produces is so deadly for our children. The brutal abuse of children by pedophiles pumped up on porn is tragic, shocking and heartbreaking.
Men who view pornography portraying 18-year-old women dressed to look like young teens, often act out their prurient sexual cravings by raping "real" young teens.
Children and teens who are exposed to pornography have these images etched in their memories for the rest of their lives. These images can be triggered and can surface without warning, leaving the potential for numerous problems in future life.
Internet pornography is often the first exposure that children and teens have to sexual images. This plants in them a twisted and perverse view of human intimacy that is difficult or impossible to weed out. These early learning experiences can lead to sexual deviancy and crime, and often negatively affect their future relationships and marriages.
Pornography hurts husbands, wives and the institution of marriage. It can easily break up marriages, which of course seriously impacts the children in the family. Only pain is in store for children with a father or mother hooked on pornography.
Fatherless America
Of equal calamity, and in far greater numbers, are the homes in America that have a father who is there physically but absent emotionally and spiritually; fathers who are moody, angry, physically and verbally abusive; fathers who say very little, seldom express their love verbally, rarely engage in casual, friendly conversation, and just seem to be living in their own little world, hooled on pornography, internet or otherwise. Now with the floodgates of porn thrown wide open by the Internet, how many men will be consumed in front of their computer screen at the office or in the den at home when they should be interacting with their wives and children?
And when they are not in front of the porn screen, how fit will they be mentally and emotionally to love and care for their family? Pornography robs parents of healthy parental emotions. Internet pornography will accelerate the plight of "fatherless America" in a way never before witnessed in society. The incidence of fathers (and mothers) just "taking off" will increase, as will the divorce rate. And in more certain and terrifying numbers, fathers who are at home physically but absent emotionally and spiritually as a direct result of Internet porn will increase at an explosive rate.
But the worst and foremost, danger is how the porn industry, is increasing the number of pedophiles. This is a huge money making business, based on greed and a sickness of the mine and soul that is spreading like a devouring, deadly evil cancer. When will it stop?
How many more children have to die and suffer, before people and the world realize how this evil, gigantic, malevolent, immoral cancer has spread through our society, making us unsafe, insecure and without the ability to protect our innocent children?
Think about it? Do you, who view and buy this trash have children? If you do but, view and participate in the use of porn, and you love your children how are you going to protect them from you, let alone anyone or anything else?

Ted Bundy was blaming porn for his crimes as he was being prepared for the death chamber. He was ranting to try and find a way out of his doom. Anyone who uses those rantings to state there is a link between what he did and porn need some type of help themselves.

kid flash thinks I need help.

Ted Bundy admitted to being a porn freak and that it was “the single most cause of his anti-social behavior.” He was, among other things, a sociopath (APD) and a narcissist. These types of people are totally disconnected to the humanity of others. They are black holes, and it doesn’t take a Ted Bundy confession to figure out that porn can strip individuals of much more than their clothing and dignity, but their humanity. Will all porn freaks become Ted Bundy’s? Certainly not.

If anyone needs help, it’s those who are addicted to porn.

A nice reminder here is this is the RANT forum. I can state any gripe, complaint, or issue I want. If you don’t like it, that is just fine with me. You can call names, say I need help, what ever you want. It won’t change my mind, and I’m probably not going to change your mind either. BUT that isn’t my agenda. IF it was, I’d be posting on the DEBATE forum. Just as a reminder…

Would you want it to be illegal?

Do you think it does any harm?

I know it will never be made illegal. That isn’t the topic. I threw the question into the OP to get some people to think about it or look into it.

You mean the Meese Report…

No, I said exactly what I meant. Wikipedia isn’t the only place on the net to get a quick education on the subject...

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