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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Iblis Smiley
Why do all of you who think he was born in the U.S. also want proof of it so badly?
I think he PROBABLY was. I have no proof. I wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong and he was born elsewhere. He's a politiician and a lawyer. They all lie.
Point is - WE DO NOT KNOW - and it is very important that the POTUS be eligible for the job.
Originally posted by ConservativeJack
Originally posted by Iblis Smiley
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Iblis Smiley
Did you have the same doubts about McCain, Bush, Clinton?
Different doubts.
Their places of birth, and citizenships, were well established.
According to whom and when? When did you even think to check and see how well established they were and when did you decide to check on Obama. You do know there is quite a great deal of controversy over the circumstances under which John McCaine was born in Panama don't you? There is more chance that he is technically not a natural born citizen than there is for Obama. So how is that well established?
I think you are just following your right wing masters. You only question Obama's birth because someone has told you that you should. What proof do you need to relax? Seeing his Birth Certificate? That will settly it? So then you have seen the other candidates and past presidents birth certificates as well or are you holding Obama to a higher standard based on the empty statement about "well established."
If "well established" confuses you, see John McCain again.
Wow buddy, back off the guy.
He is allowed to question people it's his right as an American.
You are the one that needs to relax.
Look, some people like to believe things to make them feel better. The guys who pretend Obama isn't America do that to make themselves feel better. Not everyone's perfect.
I personally accept Obama as an American because I am more secure with myself and my people. Not everyone is as "Culturally Competent" as you and I.
Originally posted by logician magician
This guy is obviously a fake. He gives his name, yet blurs his face to "hide his identity"?
Then he goes on to talk about the quality of compressed/scanned images from the Internet...
1+1 != 3
Originally posted by LittlePinky82
Originally posted by ConservativeJack
Originally posted by Iblis Smiley
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Iblis Smiley
Did you have the same doubts about McCain, Bush, Clinton?
Different doubts.
Their places of birth, and citizenships, were well established.
According to whom and when? When did you even think to check and see how well established they were and when did you decide to check on Obama. You do know there is quite a great deal of controversy over the circumstances under which John McCaine was born in Panama don't you? There is more chance that he is technically not a natural born citizen than there is for Obama. So how is that well established?
I think you are just following your right wing masters. You only question Obama's birth because someone has told you that you should. What proof do you need to relax? Seeing his Birth Certificate? That will settly it? So then you have seen the other candidates and past presidents birth certificates as well or are you holding Obama to a higher standard based on the empty statement about "well established."
If "well established" confuses you, see John McCain again.
Wow buddy, back off the guy.
He is allowed to question people it's his right as an American.
You are the one that needs to relax.
Look, some people like to believe things to make them feel better. The guys who pretend Obama isn't America do that to make themselves feel better. Not everyone's perfect.
I personally accept Obama as an American because I am more secure with myself and my people. Not everyone is as "Culturally Competent" as you and I.
No you're wrong. If someone is spreading bull# lies with Obama and trying to tie courts hands up and all this # they deserve to be told they're wrong etc. This isn't about them and their feelings. This is about the truth and their lies. It's pathetic and they need to get over it.
Originally posted by Iblis Smiley
I think you are just following your right wing masters.
You only question Obama's birth because someone has told you that you should.
What proof do you need to relax?
If "well established" confuses you,
Originally posted by ConservativeJack
Wow buddy, back off the guy. He is allowed ...
The guys who pretend Obama isn't America do that to make themselves feel better.
Originally posted by LittlePinky82
Get over it.
Originally posted by ConservativeJack
I know his type, they are ignorant.
Originally posted by sos37
You need to read it again. It's quite clear what would happen and it's unlikely that Joe Biden would stay president:
if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
In this situation, it's evident to me what would happen is, if Obama's citizenship was proven to be forged and he was ineligible to be president, Congress would declare his entire campaign null and void, including his pick for VP. That only leaves the door open for one or more of three possibilities:
1. Congress hands over the President spot to Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House
2. Hillary Clinton petitions Congress for the right to be elected president as the front runner and second runner up as nominee and would call for another election to happen with her name on the POTUS ballot
3. Congress hands the POTUS spot to McCain/Palin
Personally I think #1 and 2 would happen. Nancy Pelosi would serve as interim president while Hilary campaigned in a re-election bid against McCain/Palin and the nation would be again voting for POTUS within 6 months to a year, after Clinton has had enough time to campaign.
Originally posted by Win1892
The saddest part of this whole argument is that the kool-aide drinking crowd is saying "proof" has been given..... no it has not!
Proof = birth certificate
circumstantial evidence = newspaper clippings
hearsay evidence = a Hawaii official "says" they saw it
non-evidence evidence = a certificate of live birth (meaningless)
so, please, stop embarrassing yourself by saying "proof" has been shown until the actual original birth certificate has been presented and verified.
When the BC gets shown, then you can stick your tongue out at all the "right wingers", until then, stick to the facts.
Originally posted by ConservativeJack
Originally posted by LittlePinky82
Originally posted by ConservativeJack
Originally posted by Iblis Smiley
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Iblis Smiley
Did you have the same doubts about McCain, Bush, Clinton?
Different doubts.
Their places of birth, and citizenships, were well established.
According to whom and when? When did you even think to check and see how well established they were and when did you decide to check on Obama. You do know there is quite a great deal of controversy over the circumstances under which John McCaine was born in Panama don't you? There is more chance that he is technically not a natural born citizen than there is for Obama. So how is that well established?
I think you are just following your right wing masters. You only question Obama's birth because someone has told you that you should. What proof do you need to relax? Seeing his Birth Certificate? That will settly it? So then you have seen the other candidates and past presidents birth certificates as well or are you holding Obama to a higher standard based on the empty statement about "well established."
If "well established" confuses you, see John McCain again.
Wow buddy, back off the guy.
He is allowed to question people it's his right as an American.
You are the one that needs to relax.
Look, some people like to believe things to make them feel better. The guys who pretend Obama isn't America do that to make themselves feel better. Not everyone's perfect.
I personally accept Obama as an American because I am more secure with myself and my people. Not everyone is as "Culturally Competent" as you and I.
No you're wrong. If someone is spreading bull# lies with Obama and trying to tie courts hands up and all this # they deserve to be told they're wrong etc. This isn't about them and their feelings. This is about the truth and their lies. It's pathetic and they need to get over it.
Right but you can't control other people, something a lot of Liberals don't get.
The more you tell this guy he's wrong, the more he's going to think he's right.
I know his type, they are ignorant.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Iblis Smiley
I think you are just following your right wing masters.
Stop trying to think .. you'll hurt yourself.
You only question Obama's birth because someone has told you that you should.
I'm able to think for myself, thank you. :shk:
What proof do you need to relax?
I'm not uptight.
If "well established" confuses you,
I'm not confused.
Originally posted by ConservativeJack
Wow buddy, back off the guy. He is allowed ...
I'm a girl.
The guys who pretend Obama isn't America do that to make themselves feel better.
1 - I'm not pretending Obama isn't American.
2 - Asking to see his Birth Certificate to verify that he is eligible to be POTUS isn't wrong.
Originally posted by LittlePinky82
Get over it.
No.
Would you get over Bush43 telling lies about WMD?
No. And you shouldn't.
Originally posted by ConservativeJack
I know his type, they are ignorant.
1 - You 'know his type'? Who?
2 - It isn't ignorant to insist that politicians follow the rule of law.
3 - It isn't ignorant not to trust politicians. It's rather smart.
Originally posted by ConservativeJack
Wow buddy, back off the guy.
He is allowed to question people it's his right as an American.
You are the one that needs to relax.
Look, some people like to believe things to make them feel better. The guys who pretend Obama isn't America do that to make themselves feel better. Not everyone's perfect.
I personally accept Obama as an American because I am more secure with myself and my people. Not everyone is as "Culturally Competent" as you and I.
Originally posted by habu71
reply to post by Iblis Smiley
Documentation like this SHOULD be required of anyone that becomes an official candidate. No one is "picking on" the President Elect, since lawsuits were filed, some in the country are now asking for documentation. There is nothing on a BC that is not information that the electorate deserves to know about the President elect.
Why not release an official version? (not a scan and photo of a COLB) (Please do not give links to factcheck.org, they are not an independent source.)
Originally posted by ConservativeJack
So miss, you just want to see a valid document?
That seems reasonable and I am not sure why you wouldn't be able to.