India Under Terror Attack! At least ten people killed in Mumbai shootings: TV (now 125 +)

reply to post by TimeBandit


I thought the reports of one remaining terrorist inside the Taj were from the media only.

I think the DSGs need press liaison officers who can feed the press reliable information.

The process has been somewhat complicated by the fact that the authorities dont want to give out proper info which could be used by the terrorists.

Nariman is supposedly over btw. 5 bodies removed from the house, the Rabbi and his wife amongst them. Very sad news- the 2 year old son of the Rabbi was saved a few hours ago by the NSG, but will grow up an orphan

Taj is still raging, new fires at the site as well. The NSG need to stop moving and allow the terrorists to gather at one point, then storm them.

Originally posted by Sonya610
LOL...so killing people that won't convert to Hinduism is way different. That is ridiculous!

You don't understand what a Hindu is
Probably because you are not a muslim but consider yourself a muslim.
So you expect people of other faiths to be as foolish as you are.

a Hindu is a follower of hinduism, which is nothing like islam.
Hinduism says if you want to go to church, mosque or whatever go ahead
Hinduism has nothing to hide, you are fully allowed to educate yourself on other cultures and religions

Muslims aren't allowed to have this freedom.

Now do you understand?

As a sidenote, Sikhism was created to protect hinduism from Islam.

My guess is that info given by Indian officials is intentionally false to create confusion in remaining terrorists that surely follow the media. Have doubts about its efficiency because terrorists must have inner communications - their actions were deadly efficient and coordinated.
I still cannot understand how this operation could be so well executed - in a major city with police and security forces. Number of killed, several important targets captured and no sign of any pre-info at Indian intelligence service. Very weird. Anyway - condolences to those innocents and Indian security forces/police who where murdered. I hope that it will end and India will heal its wounds soon. Also i hope that tension between India and Pakistan - however understood and natural due to this tragedy - will not get out of control. In my opinion Pakistani leaders should openly declare this attack criminal terrorist act and Indian leaders should not let their feelings overcloud their judgment. A lot more people, innocent people, will get killed if this thing will escalate to another conflict , or God forbid war.

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


Apparently Blackberry devices have been recovered from Nariman, with the cache suggesting that the terrorists were following the coverage by the media.

I too hope this will not spiral out of control between India and Pakistan.

The PM and President of Pakistan have been very helpful, and have even sent the ISI and army chiefs to India for cooperation.

Their foreign minister (Qureishi) however, has been an absolute return to the rhetoric of Musharraf. He claims that India's assertion of Pakistani links a "step too far". What the hell does he want- all the evidence suggests at least a nominal Pakistani link. Not to mention, 3 captured operatives even admitted to being Lashkar, from Multan in Pakistan.

reply to post by 44soulslayer


fair enough.. lets leave it at a difference in point of views and consensus on the best for India..

I've read the last couple of pages, to try and catch up, as I had to step away for awhile. Please excuse if this has been said already, but someone on page 75 or 76 mentioned how well co-ordinated this has been and Sky News reported earlier that some of the terrorists were staff and guests at the hotels. Also reports that there are 6 terrorists still in the Taj.

I also saw somewhere else (who knows which site? - sorry) about authorities still being concerned about some that got away.

Putting 2 and 2 together, could it have been possible for those terrorists, involved in the first wave, to simply leave as staff/guests, along wtih other 'hostages' and then 'fresh' ones took over? Maybe that's why they're appearing super human an able to keep up the fight so long - they surely must be tired now.

The 2 and 2 together is just a theory I came up with and isn't being reported on any news stations. Just putting my thoughts on paper...... no offense intended to anyone.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
a Hindu is a follower of hinduism, which is nothing like islam.

Yes well the majority Muslims say they do not support terrorists too. When Hindu extremist groups are setting Christians on fire they sound exactly like extremist Muslim groups that kill innocent people (though middle-eastern Muslims, even the extremists, do NOT sent their Christian neighbors on fire!)

But if you want to play word games and think your argument is fooling everyone then go right ahead. In your mind there probably actually is a difference. Good for you. Keep telling yourself that, all of your people are "so much better".

reply to post by Maya00a


You're quite possibly right.

I think the muslim underworld connections of narco-terrorist Dawood Ibrahim were used in a logistics role.

The underworld provided transport from the shore to the targets (since they had local knowledge).

The underworld also bought dry fruit supplies and bags etc for the terrorists.

I think the underworld guys must also have hidden the caches of arms and ammo being found at the hotels during sweeps. They probably checked in, hid the arms, then fled down and acted as innocent hostages.

I don't think the fedayun would flee... their whole incentive in this thing is to die in "glory". The underworld however aren't doing it for ideological reasons, so its more likely they would run away.

Originally posted by Maya00a
I've read the last couple of pages, to try and catch up, as I had to step away for awhile. Please excuse if this has been said already, but someone on page 75 or 76 mentioned how well co-ordinated this has been and Sky News reported earlier that some of the terrorists were staff and guests at the hotels. Also reports that there are 6 terrorists still in the Taj.

I also saw somewhere else (who knows which site? - sorry) about authorities still being concerned about some that got away.

Putting 2 and 2 together, could it have been possible for those terrorists, involved in the first wave, to simply leave as staff/guests, along wtih other 'hostages' and then 'fresh' ones took over? Maybe that's why they're appearing super human an able to keep up the fight so long - they surely must be tired now.

The 2 and 2 together is just a theory I came up with and isn't being reported on any news stations. Just putting my thoughts on paper...... no offense intended to anyone.

It may be possible for them to disguise as hostages but how are they going to go back in when the place is surrounded?

Originally posted by Sonya610
Yes well the majority Muslims say they do not support terrorists too. When Hindu extremist groups are setting Christians on fire they sound exactly like extremist Muslim groups that kill innocent people (though middle-eastern Muslims, even the extremists, do NOT sent their Christian neighbors on fire!)

But if you want to play word games and think your argument is fooling everyone then go right ahead. In your mind there probably actually is a difference. Good for you. Keep telling yourself that, all of your people are "so much better".

I'm sorry, I do not want to single muslims out.
But whenever I debate with muslims they always aren't capable of differientiating between followers of a religion and those just born with a muslim or hindu name.

Why is that?

And for the record, do you know I am the most Impartial member of ATS?

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How can they possibly know how many terrorists are in the building, dismorning they said there was one injured terrorist left, now there saying theres six left? I dont think they have a clue how many there are..

The whole incident was based on attacking a Jewish Rabbi and all American British tourists there. I mean if these guys hated India so much they could have killed 1000 people but they targetted the West and anything Jewish it seems.

What kind of ideology does that speak of? I think its the same old brainwashed fantical groups story. They say the Muslims in poorer India had been treated badly and they have had many accounts of bombings this year alone, but this is different. It seems that if they were from Pakistan and they targetted non Hindu's because if they attacked Hindu's it would have been an act of war from another country and we know both India and Pakistan hold Nukes so we don't want that it may seem in ther mind's eye.

This is why maybe the British bombings were based by British Muslims because the network is afraid of international retaliation. So it makes sense that the new form of terrrorism is brainwashed from other countries but the fanatics live in the country they want to destroy and maybe this new incident is to set apart the tourists was to not cause interational backlashes. The Muslim Indians fight Indians and now the British muslims fight in the British at home. Maybe security has made it hard for them highjack planes so the extreamist recruite their own in the countries they want to effect.

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I want to know why they havent realised that there has been a seed change from an attack to a hostage situation.

They should have slowed down, brought in the thermal cams etc.

The only reason I can think of is that they didn't want to give the terrorists a chance to slow down- else they may have killed the hostages or just blown up the whole place.

It does strike me as incredible that the terrorists are still fighting after 48 hours straight. This isn't good... its going to make them the stuff of legends for future recruitment into LeT.

reply to post by The time lord


I disagree with you totally. This was a two stage attack- the first was to take out as many Indians as possible. The second was to get worldwide attention by grabbing Westerners. It was a two-pronged attack. The choice of location of Nariman House, major 5* hotels etc is indicative of their intentions. They wanted to attack all their enemies.

Tally so far stands at Indian dead = 96. American dead = 2, British dead = 1 (not counting the British Pakistani terrorist who was presumably killed).

This is a new stance for LeT/ ISI. They normally wouldn't have targeted Americans or Britons, but I believe they were included on the hit list specifically due to recent cross-border drone attacks by the USA. They figured that killing Indians isnt enough. Killing 250+ in 2006 didn't rattle the entire world; so this time they went after Westerners too. Evidently they have achieved all their objectives.

[edit on 28-11-2008 by 44soulslayer]

I also bet that special forces are never expect to clear big hotel rooms as part of training. This is definitely something unprecented. This is something that training cant prepare them for. A hostage rescue situation is a big hotel with simultaneous targets across the capital. Could there be something bigger? These guys seem only the tip of the iceberg given the meticulous planning though I hope not.

SKY NEWS: 143 now confirmed dead

Originally posted by The time lord
This is why maybe the British bombings were based by British Muslims because the network is afraid of international retaliation. So it makes sense that the new form of terrrorism is brainwashed from other countries but the fanatics live in the country they want to destroy and maybe this new incident is to set apart the tourists was to not cause interational backlashes.

The Muslim Indians fight Indians and now the British muslims fight in the British at home. Maybe security has made it hard for them highjack planes so the extreamist recruite their own in the countries they want to effect.

Up to SEVEN gunmen were British and 'came from same area as 7/7 bombers'

British-born Pakistanis were among the Mumbai terrorists, Indian government sources claimed today, as the death toll rose to at least 150.

As many as seven of the terrorists may have British connections and some could be from Leeds and Bradford where London's July 7 bombers lived, one source said.
Two Britons were among eight gunmen being held, according to Mumbai's chief minister Vilasrao Deshmukh.

[...]

One security official said: 'There is growing concern about British involvement in the attacks

Fox is reporting confirmation that the Rabbi and his wife are dead. Their 2 year old son celebrates his birthday today.


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reply to post by hitmen


Absolutely.

Lessons must be learnt from this ordeal.

Hotel storming must be a part of spec ops training. At the moment nobody is trained for this sort of scenario, where the hostage takers are moving themselves and the hostages around a huge tactical area, then leaving behind booby traps and bombs.

Is this still going on?

The "theory" about a true military force or elite force is a nice one, but I dont think its true. For me this is just a "better thought out" terrorist attack. If it was really a true elite military force it would have a clear objective which isnt the case right now... I have no idea why they did this.

Now it would become a more viable theory IF this turned out to be something to draw attention from something bigger... like in a couple of hours a third military op took control of something nuclear and blew bombain off the map which clearly isnt happening.

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
reply to post by hitmen

 

Absolutely.

Lessons must be learnt from this ordeal.

Hotel storming must be a part of spec ops training. At the moment nobody is trained for this sort of scenario, where the hostage takers are moving themselves and the hostages around a huge tactical area, then leaving behind booby traps and bombs.

nobody as in not even the SAS?
Not a one liner.

Originally posted by MilitieTempliSalmo
Is this still going on?

The "theory" about a true military force or elite force is a nice one, but I dont think its true. For me this is just a "better thought out" terrorist attack. If it was really a true elite military force it would have a clear objective which isnt the case right now... I have no idea why they did this.

Now it would become a more viable theory IF this turned out to be something to draw attention from something bigger... like in a couple of hours a third military op took control of something nuclear and blew bombain off the map which clearly isnt happening.

Dont speak too soon my friend. Anything could be happening right now. For example, do you think that there is only 1 MSG casualty so far? I doubt so. What makes you think that nothing is happening amid the chaos.