Father Raped Daughters For 30 Years, Bore 9 Children

reply to post by The Last Man on Earth


I think you're being a bt too lenient, I would rather flog them before hanging them Seriously though, you're absolutely right, there is no justice in the Criminal Justice System just a load of crap about prisoners human rights. I for one believe that anyone who commits a violent crime should be exempt from the protection of the human rights industry and should be sentenced with the human rights (i.e protection) of the non violent population taken into consideration.

reply to post by Insomniac


I think the prison guards will leave this guy alone for a while with a lot of other prisoners. I really would not worry about the flogging, it will get done. Prisoners often have daughters, wifes, sisters and they are not going to let this guy off lightly.

Originally posted by dalan.
reply to post by bknapple32

 

Does the News article fit in to any kind of conspiracy or alien related topic? Why would you bring something like that to ATS? Wouldn't there be better forums for it??

It absolutely fits into a conspiracy angle, my friend. There's a very well established conspiracy in the Western world of the service industries which have supposedly taken the task of "protecting the children" doing anything but in the cases where they are needed the most. This fits right alongside the case here in Western Washington a couple of months ago where a little girl was starved & imprisoned by her step mother. The authorities knew about her and had investigated her conditions prior, even ruling that there was clearly abuse in the home and the little girl was in danger... but they did NOTHING about it.

Unless there's a case where they can clearly pad their coffers or further build the wall of fear that surrounds their agency, CPS doesn't act. Obviously this isn't just a problem in the US, but has managed to infect the CPS agencies in almost every western nation.

Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by Insomniac

 

I think the prison guards will leave this guy alone for a while with a lot of other prisoners. I really would not worry about the flogging, it will get done. Prisoners often have daughters, wifes, sisters and they are not going to let this guy off lightly.

That is absolutly NOT the basis of a civilized human society. We must rise above base and wicked impulses to torture and destroy. Let there be a punishmemt, but not one handed out by a kangeroo court, of degenerate criminals on a whim. Fellow prisioners DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to hand out punishments. That is the privilege of Courts of Law with impartial judges following procedure and legality. Let the Laws be changed to punish more severly but let it be within the framework of a just and impartial legal system.

reply to post by Circle


Sorry but there is a difference between the real world and a make believe world. I just stated what I know would happen based on what was reported to me from someone recently release from jail. Unless the prisoners are completely isolated things WILL happen.

People who torture and murder and steal exist. I had my hand held in a fire by my own brother. If you are not capable of understanding that basic fact you are going to learn the lesson the hard way. If you are very lucky you will not be badly hurt.

Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by Circle

 

Sorry but there is a difference between the real world and a make believe world. I just stated what I know would happen based on what was reported to me from someone recently release from jail. Unless the prisoners are completely isolated things WILL happen.

People who torture and murder and steal exist. I had my hand held in a fire by my own brother. If you are not capable of understanding that basic fact you are going to learn the lesson the hard way. If you are very lucky you will not be badly hurt.

I'm not saying these things don't exist sunshine. I'm saying they shouldn't be condoned or encouraged. Where possible illegality and arbitory punishments should be eradicated by law abiding people. Sorry to hear about the hand - ouch.

Dramey you make a good point, people who have been abused, tend to carry out similar abuse of their own. What is to say the man in question was not a victim of abuse? Would you look at him in a different light if it turned out he was mentally screwed up from his own abusement issues?

The last man, how can you condone killing someone for mongral interbreeding through incest, when it is common place in many parts of the USA and Europe? Do you advocate we kill all those also found guilty of incest? What would you deem right for a brother and sister (even half brother/sister) who had never met or were seperated through some misfortune as children, who one day met by chance, fell in love, had children, then only after, found out through a routine bloodtest on the baby, they were releated? Would you call for them to be killed? If not then your hypocritical.

Finally for anyone wishing to bash me. Where is the proof the children were ever raped? Where is the proof they were children when they gave birth to the first child? For all we know this is one screwed up family and the children were brainwashed into thinking incest was natural. Maybe this is why it went on for so long, but eventually the women got out into the world and began to realise it was not normal in the least, so they decided to report it once they knew the truth (and felt the betrayal they suffered from the one who is supposed to love and cherish them).

I do not condone the action in the least, it does make me feel sick, he deservs to rot in jail, preferably die of old age in there. But advocateing his murder for a non violent/brutal crime, when murderers are free to walk the streets because of the lax in the British legal system. It is not true justice at all.

[edit on 26-11-2008 by Thethingthatwouldntleave]

Originally posted by Saf85
Dramey you make a good point, people who have been abused, tend to carry out similar abuse of their own. What is to say the man in question was not a victim of abuse? Would you look at him in a different light if it turned out he was mentally screwed up from his own abusement issues?

very good point, he very well may have, and probably more then likely was the victim of abuse, would i look at him differently?

yes, i would then have a form of sympathy for him for lack of a better word, just as i have sympathy for what he did to his daughters

however if he is the victim of abuse, that goes to further my point about those who are abused not being the best candidates for parents


this is a very complex case and a even more complex crime that has been committed and I in no way mean to point fingers or judge as I do not know the full background story

all i know is history and statistics and if that man was abused who abused his daughters, then the history of this family is based in an abusive state of affairs which gives the children in this situation even less of a chance at becoming good parents.

capital punishment is a very grey area, im my opinion i believe the most attrocious acts can sometimes warrent capital punishment, yet on that same hand i can understand the views against capital punishment who wish to imprison the person for life.

i think the main thing here though, is not exactly punishment, as we can not change the past, i think what needs to be focused on here is finding a way to break this cycle of abuse, and in my views the only way to do that, is to be more judgemental about who we allow to have children

and i know thats a even slippery slope, because i know personally kids today who SHOULD be taken away from their parents, as these parents have absolutely no right to raise a child as they are incredibly way to ignorant to do a good job of raising the child, on the same note i know of parents who are struggling to keep custody of their children and they absolutely dont deserve to be in the situation as they are probably among some of the only people i know who DO deserve to raise children, in my views our child welfare programs, companies, and laws need a major overhaul

i dont know how to overhaul or what the answer is to these situations but seeing and knowing the problem is the 1st part to coming up with a solution and i think we need to worry less about being politically correct and spend more time focusing on the future

reply to post by Dramey


To be honest, no one has a right to say who can and cannot have children. Some of the worst people in the world, have become good people overnight to care for children once they had them. It is true that there is some cases of vice versa, those who cannot cope and take it out on the child etc.

But no one has a right to deem who is and is not fit to have children, sure if they turn out to be violent and abusive to the child, to the point the childs life is in danger, then I agree social services should step in and take the child. Yet again no one knows how anyone will behave or cope with having children, untill that person has a child. So you cannot judge the book by its cover based on the history of a person.

Next we will have people as yourself calling for mass sterilization, becuase say lower class families tend to be dysfunctional, so by that rational, they do not deserve to have children and raise them in the poor conditions.

Hey I know let the elites only have children, since they always turn out to be model human. I mean totally selfish, self centerd, arrogant, blatant disregard for anything and anyone. Yeah let us advocate the troublesome be sterelised while the above are classed as good people? See where you trying to play god ends up going? No one but god has the right to decide who will and wont have children. Many good couples try for years even decades for children, yet they never have one, then there is those who do not even wish for a child yet have one. Each person has to make life changeing decisions when they have a child and no one has the right to refuse them what god is willing to give them.

I just read a news article about this, apparently, social services and police knew about this but for some reason (red tape perhaps?) did nothing about it.

terrible

Authorities under fire over 'British Fritzl' daughter rape case


[edit on 27-11-2008 by Thurisaz]

30 years shagging his 2 kids...9 kids born as a result and nobody asks "whos the daddy then ???" , not even in the hospital.

Did'nt anyone notice anything wrong in the blood samples they take from th kids at birth..??

He will not be put with the general population - and if he is , it`ll be after a transfer - notice how they don`t give any of his details or any photo`s.

reply to post by Saf85


just to clearify i dont think i said anything about sterilization but if i did then i apologize for the miscommunicated thought

but i do also understand what you mean about not knowing how the person will be once they have the kid

but on that same hand that still doesnt mean thats a good scenario for the kid

i have a friend, hes mid 20's, kind person, heart of gold, does anything and everything he can for his child, his mothers a alcoholic tramp

neither are educated, both are poor, they are members of a lower class most people consider "hood", hes on probation for a gun charge now.


they had their child, the father completly changed his ways, but that doesnt make up for the past 25 years where he had no education and bad values cast upon him through the society in which he lived and never knew of a outside world or way of life

they were completly unprepared for the child and just because the intentions are good/incredible/whatever still doesnt make them qualified to be good parents

just on the same hand as the rich family breeding spoiled brats arent exactly the idea family either


for familys we need a change of the educational system at least in america, and in order to address anything about family life in america we must also address the economically situation if we wish to change things


just because i feel im picky as to credentials as to who should have kids (and myself am among those of who shouldnt have any) doesnt mean i neccesarily believe in sterilization, we shouldnt ever put anything in the way of mankinds future but we should try to do anything we can in the meantime to improve the ways of life