Ten Myths Conservatives Believe About Progressives

10 Myths Liberals Believe About Conservatives

1) Conservatives hate poor people and the lower-class.
2) Conservatives are dumb, uneducated hicks.
3) Conservatives believe free market capitalism is the answer to everything.
4) Conservatives hate black people, or any other liberal minority voting block.
5) Conservatives are all Christians and believe religion equals morality.
6) Conservatives want to blow up every foreign country on earth.
7) Conservatives are a bunch of corporate elitists.
8) Conservatives want to build up back to a cold war size military.
9) Conservatives hate gay people.
10) Conservatives do not believe in equality.

There you go. Now we're balanced.

Most of us are in the Center somewhere and are just as depressed about the far right as we are the far left. Take Abortion out of the mixture and most of us would agree on most things.

It is fun reading the many daily Partisan arguments though they do get tedious when the same stuff is discussed over and over again. Reminds me of the old Bubblegum Music where the same lyrics were chewed over and over and over again. I'd say both sides have run out of topics.

It will get interesting again when Bush is gone and Obama starts screwing up. With one Party having full control, this forum should get very exciting before long. Then you won't need to search for topics.

1. Not true but liberals care much more about how others think of us rather than doing what is needed. I seriously doubt a Liberal President would have got us involved in Desert Storm. Think about it.

2. Recent Liberal Presidents do have a clear record of reducing our military's effectiveness and budgets. Go look.

3. They definitely do more to control enterprises than Conservatives. The World in general thinks Democrats are more trade protectionist than Republicans. In that case Liberals get lumped with Democrats.

4. I don't think they hate our Troops. I do however think that they don't support their efforts once we as a nation, have committed our Troops in harm's way. They are too fickle for me and most of the military.

5. Most Liberal leaders think that they know what is best for the public, to me that smacks of elitism, but same can be said for both parties.

6. I guess I would clarify that to be "Traditional Family" values. And Liberal are definitely the majority of the Pro abortion side, which is decidedly Un-Family Friendly, if you get my drift.

7. Your statement afterward has little to do with the whole tax issue. Both parties raise taxes, it's a rather moot point. It does seem Conservatives want to limit taxes where Liberals just want to Tax "the right people".

8. Take Late Term Abortions and Abortion in general, you can't be for them and claim to be a moral person. Morality

In its second, normative and universal sense, morality refers to an ideal code of conduct, one which would be espoused in preference to alternatives by all rational people, under specified conditions.

9. Take the Joe the Plumber line "It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance at success, too". Obama's talk of "spreading the wealth around" doesn't make me think of personal responsibility.

10. It's not that Liberals are wimps. They just tend to not be steadfast when there are problems or setbacks. The Recent Iraq war is a case in point. Liberals voted for it, but once things got tough, they wanted to just bail, regardless of the ramifications. Look at the Vote for Desert Storm, it wasn't nearly as unanimous as you would think (52-47 in Senate and 250 -183 in the House). It will be very rare for the Liberal to support an Armed Conflict.

Classical Liberalism is much different from Modern Liberalism in the U.S., on that much I agree. They are worlds apart, save the name.


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Originally posted by grover

There is certainly a lot of spite here on ATS about Obama's win.

But Grover, not nearly the same percentage or level of spite that has been thrown against Bush. The Liberal/Democratic side never got over losing TWICE to him. Oh that's right , Bush didn't really beat the Democratic Candidate TWICE...... he cheated both times. I don't hear the "Obama Cheated" Chant going on right now, do you? Obama's OUR President......but he better be up to the hype.

Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by grover

There is certainly a lot of spite here on ATS about Obama's win.

But Grover, not nearly the same percentage or level of spite that has been thrown against Bush. The Liberal/Democratic side never got over losing TWICE to him. Oh that's right , Bush didn't really beat the Democratic Candidate TWICE...... he cheated both times. I don't hear the "Obama Cheated" Chant going on right now, do you? Obama's OUR President......but he better be up to the hype.

Boy, you may be right about that first point. Liberal democrats were so emotional, so dirty, played such a dirty game (and dangerous), undermining the war, undermining the Country, doing yet un-calculated damage to our Country.

They have a lot of balls to do what they did. I mean, had a democrat been in office, I doubt Republicans would have cried foul after they voted for authorization of the war. Right, Democrats voted overwhelmingly in support of the Iraq War, then once they underminded the war efford, they said they never supported the war! Some balls...I'll tell you. I could write a book.

But such is the nature of politics.

I think, what you guys are doing now is sour grapes. Be the bigger man. Show the democrats the respect they weren't proud enough, they weren't strong enough, to show us.

May God Bless America and her' wonderful people.

[edit on 26-11-2008 by ConservativeJack]

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You chose to forget the spite and hate that was heaped on Clinton and everything he touched over the 8 years of his presidency.

And for your information most of the liberals I know got over 2000 and 2004... we for the most part do not hate him, what we cannot stand about bush minor is his policies and feel that they are harmful to our nation.

[edit on 26-11-2008 by grover]

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Chimpy and Cheney ignored 50 warnings about 9-11 and got us attacked,...

Hmmm. Democratic Senator and 2004 Presidential washout John Kerry got multiple warnings from officials at Logan Int'l Airport before 9-11, and ignored all of them. Interesting you'd bring up such a point. Although, another "myth" about Progressives is that reality is what is told to them in liberal blogs, and has no connection with actual reality.

WASHINGTON – A third federal aviation-security agent, one still with the government, has stepped forward to say he also warned Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry about security lapses at Boston's Logan International Airport before the 9-11 hijackings there.

Earlier this week, two former FAA agents said the Democratic presidential hopeful failed to take effective action after they gave him a prophetic warning that his home airport was vulnerable to multiple hijackings.

www.wnd.com...

Grover...i assume your smart enough to not buy into the left/right nonsense...How about....say,your american,hes american...our views for the future for america dont match,but as americans lets sit down and come to a conclusion that we are all happy with? or do cheap tacky shots with no substance on both sides make you all happy...or make america better as a nation or more divided than ever while the scum in washington sleep with bankers and trade everything america was founded on for the $...that isnt actually worth anything I guess i am the typical american basher from europe on these forums...but i do know for a fact...that with the right leader and the right mindset of the american populace you are one of the greatest nations this world has ever seen.I just hope you dont fall and crumble over the pettyness of left vs right...when there is a common bond between both sides to see an America where liberty and freedom trumps all....But...i dont think you will...you will keep digesting this nonsense of you against them when its all of America against what has brought america and the rest of the world to its knees...Plus...you have guns we dont

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If you read most of my threads (not all but most) I do reject the whole left/right dicotomy because i see what its doing to my country... at the same time I understand as many of the rank and file on the right do not seem to that their party has been taken over by extremists who are using them for their own goals. The sad thing is that these extremists aka movement conservatism... has convinced the rank and file that voting for them is in their best interest when it isn't.

Yes there is a far left but it is nothing like movement conservatism not by a long shot.

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Grover, while Clinton was a target, he was never put at the level of disdain that some Dems had after losing both elections to Bush. Clinton and the Republicans actually finally did work together to get much done. The whole Lewinsky thing was Clinton's own fault, President's can't control events, sometimes they are just shaped by them.

While I think Obama was not the correct choice for President, he is our President, I will support him as best I can, given my Conservative convictions. Like most successful Presidents, he will need to govern from the Center. I am willing to give him a chance, which is more than most Dems did after Bush's two elections, not that Bush really reached out his hand either.

Originally posted by grover

Yes there is a far left but it is nothing like movement conservatism not by a long shot.

Grover, the top leadership of the Democratic Party is to the Far Left for the most part. Name the Top Democrat who you would say comes from the "middle"? Pelosi? Reid? Clinton? Obama? Durbin? Hoyer is about the most middle of any of the top leadership in Congress and even then, he drifts left. The current Democrat party leadership is mostly left or far left leaning.

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Take it from someone who IS far left.... they aren't even in the same neighborhood. Trust me.

As for bush minor... he's earned his disdain... and roughly 72% of Americans would agree I would surmise from a 28% or less approval rating.

Even us liberals supported him after 9/11 and anyone who says otherwise is lying but he wasted that with all of his lies and the unprovoked invasion of Iraq based on false premises.

You act like we just hated him for no reason and that simply is not true.

[edit on 27-11-2008 by grover]

This is what confuses me about some conservatives.The are very pro law enforcement which is imo not a bad thing to be.Cops protect us and we should do what it takes to protect them.Cops want automatic weapons off the street and strict gun control since they are the ones who will most likely face those weapons in life a death situations more that the every day person on the street.But the far right who are pro law enforcement wants to keep those weapons on the street.That its crazy and to this day not one conservative who holds those views can explain that to me.

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We all need to start supporting third parties anyway.

AMEN to that.

My husband states he belongs to a group of one and so do I. As far as I can tell demirats and rebooblicans are both bought and paid for by the mega corporations, Time to kick both parties out because both are very corrupt.

My definition of a liberal is one who comes onto my private property and tells me how to live my life and gets Congress to pass laws so he can make me do so. As far as I am concerned my freedom extends to the end of my property line. If I pollute and it crosses that property line, in the air, on the land or in the water THEN it is criminal trespass. If there is an endangered species on my land you are free to buy that land if you wish to protect the species or convince me to provide habit. You should not be free to take away my use of my property and leave me with devalued property I can not sell and I have to pay taxes on. I especially do not like it when the law only pertains to me and NOT to some corporation or politico who buys the property for peanuts and then sells it for mega bucks after getting the status changed.

I do not like it that more and more laws are passed so the typical lower or middle class joe can not start his own business but is tied to welfare or working for a giant corporation. When I was a kid granny could bake cookies and sell them, my aunt could keep some neighbors kids so the wives could work. I could help my parents pick the apples we pressed and sell the cider. Brad could do house and office cleaning as a small business, my husband could work as a contract writer, another small business. Now they both have to give a large chunk of the pay to some one like "Kelly Temp Services" just so they meet the "legal definition" of a contractor.

Stalin had a name for those he manipulated. He called them "useful idiots" Liberals are passionate and genuinely care but it seems to me they are manipulated to provide the backing for laws that somehow get twisted so more and more of our freedom is removed and those the laws were supposed to protect get screwed A good example is independent contractors.

All I am trying to say is whether you are conservative or liberal be very careful of the laws you want passed because every single one removes that much more freedom from everyone and is likely to consolidate more power and money for the elite.

Originally posted by grover
Take it from someone who IS far left.... they aren't even in the same neighborhood. Trust me. ........

You act like we just hated him for no reason and that simply is not true.

Happy Thanksgiving BTW, even if you are far left, jk.

The point I make is the Leadership of the Democratic Party is about as Left as it has been in the Last 30 or so years. And yes, a good amount of Democrats never really acknowledged Bush as the legitimate winner and President in 2000 and again in 2004. They hated the Man more than the Policies.

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I don't know anyone personally who would apply the word hate to the man... his policies, his lies and their results yes absolutely but hate him no.

Contempt perhaps for allowing himself to be such a shill for policies that benefit the few to the determent of the majority yes... but hate no.

I have no interest in investing the energy and emotion required into hating him.

[edit on 27-11-2008 by grover]

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I could never hate President bush...
Just like I could never hate the retarded boy that set my lawn and fence on fire.

A liberal is now called a Progressive? Since when?

They did the same thing to the jungle... it's now a rainforest.

Global Warming is now Climate Change.

The Personnel Office at work is now Human Resources.

Gay now means homo....sexual.

Why do liberals do this....change words like that?

I really don't thing the "Progressive" thing is going to catch on though. A liberal is a liberal.

You never cease to amaze RR. If there is an imbecilic comment to be had... you are sure to provide it. Thank god I don't take you seriously.