Please Post Suspected Disinfo Sites on This Thread

reply to post by Phage


Sorry for being redundant. My keyboard froze up before I could make myself clear. (why does that happen?)

I was trying to explain that if a site exists for the sole purpose of denying something then that alone should cause suspicion.

Why would some private non-connected person go to the trouble of creating a website to deny anything at all unless they have an agenda?

The Lancaster University site at least has an excuse to be concerned but where do sites like Morgellons Watch and Contrail Science come from?

My agenda by the way is to get to the bottom of things.

I do respect your scepticism also Phage.

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[edit on 25-11-2008 by Chadwickus]

Here we have doctors (actually, you'll note some cross-over between these sites and known quackwatch operatives -- see www.humanticsfoundation.com... ) ::

scienceblogs.com...
scienceblogs.com...
www.sciencebasedmedicine.org...
scienceblogs.com...
www.sciencebasedmedicine.org...

www.abovetopsecret.com

We have too many liars on here who claim to know everything about aliens.

Originally posted by marsha law

Why would some private non-connected person go to the trouble of creating a website to deny anything at all unless they have an agenda?

ContrailScience.com is just a place where I write about contrails and science - which also includes some looking at the “chemtrails” theory, and pseudoscience.

contrailscience.com...

This site is dedicated to examining the claims made regarding what is termed “Morgellons Disease” (aka: “The Fiber Disease”). The site has been in existence since April 2006, and has over 120 articles, and over 12,000 comments.

I believe that much of the recent media coverage of Morgellons has been inaccurate and sensationalist. This is misleading sick people into thinking they may have a terrible disease, when the evidence does not indicate that such a disease actually exists. People have very real physical symptoms, but those symptoms have many possible causes, which have very real treatments.

Misdirecting people into a wild goose chase, after a disease for which there is no evidence, is harmful to their health.

This site exists in part to help people make informed decisions regarding their health care.

morgellonswatch.com...

[edit on 25-11-2008 by Phage]

reply to post by zerozero00


That was a long link. I was hoping to find someone who questioned how the BBC could report that building 7 had collapsed before it collapsed.

Originally posted by marsha law
reply to post by zerozero00

 

That was a long link. I was hoping to find someone who questioned how the BBC could report that building 7 had collapsed before it collapsed.

Easy London is several hours ahead of NY!

Damn timezones!

reply to post by Phage


Some guy that does not have the disease decides to devote his life to telling people they are delusional?

This is from someone named Edward Spencer in an article about this disease
'Morgellons, Insect Vectors,Chemtrails, Paranoia Smearing'

"One should keep in mind the fact that the Center For Disease Control has stonewalled the patients, including MDs and nurses, and a disinformation site, Morgellons Watch, has been created to discredit sufferers of this disorder. The itching is extreme and thoughts of suicide are common.

The use of the word "paranoid" in disinformation is common. It is a common ploy to say that anyone who says that something very strange is going on, is crazy. This applies to Morgellons...and to political situations. The Dark Forest of Paranoia and Conspiracy has been created in the public mind to dissuade inquiring souls from looking under the rocks, for fear of being labeled kooks. "

Well, I'm afraid the list would turn out far too long to post here, but none the less, it's an easy question to answer:

Obviously every website that presents a point of view contrary to my own personal BS [Belief system].

Damned shills...

reply to post by Phage


And as for the 'Contrail Science' guy at least I'm not alone in my suspicions.

"Having been watching and investigating the cloud creating operations above my home here in Mid-Missouri for years (and sharing that with other researchers here) I was drawn recently to a somewhat new site on the net called *Contrail Science* that seems to attempt to provide "scientific" reasons as to why the lingering trails being witnessed worldwide are simply "ice formations". I thought I would share this link with other researchers here that would like to visit there and participate with a couple of the site owners that call the idea of chemtrails a "conspiracy theory" as well as some 'believers' there posting opposition to them in return.

The site does provide some reasonable pictures and info that seems legitimate and even at times interesting about vapor trails, but I must admit my initial reaction was that it is simply a slick "disinformation" site attempting to look like it's objective, but in reality trying to convince people to look the other way. But I'll try and keep an open mind."




That was from this site www.chemtrailcentral.com...

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[edit on 25-11-2008 by Phage]

Originally posted by marsha law
reply to post by Phage

 

And as for the 'Contrail Science' guy at least I'm not alone in my suspicions.

"Having been watching and investigating the cloud creating operations above my home here in Mid-Missouri for years (and sharing that with other researchers here) I was drawn recently to a somewhat new site on the net called *Contrail Science* that seems to attempt to provide "scientific" reasons as to why the lingering trails being witnessed worldwide are simply "ice formations". I thought I would share this link with other researchers here that would like to visit there and participate with a couple of the site owners that call the idea of chemtrails a "conspiracy theory" as well as some 'believers' there posting opposition to them in return.

Yes, we are aware that you believe both contrailscience.com and morgellonswatch.com are "disinfo" sites. You have made that quite clear. Repeatedly.

Yes, we are aware that using science (evidence and facts) against rumor and speculation is a bit unfair.

BTW, I can't find anywhere in contrailscience nor morgellonswatch where the word paranoid is used. Dr. Spenser says "disinfo" sites use the word a lot. Does this mean that they may not be "disinfo" sites after all?

[edit on 25-11-2008 by Phage]

reply to post by Phage


Here are the results of a study which measured contrail persistence of identifiable (using a program that tracks scheduled flights) vs. non identifiable aircraft. Only the non identifiable aircraft left contrails that persisted for hours.

"Summary of Results

The goal of this research was to determine if there was a type of trail that was inconsistent with normal contrails, especially with regard to increased persistence. What was found is that highly persistent trails that last for many hours were seen above Houston, TX on a majority (60%) of observable days during the data collection period. However during this time period none of the 46 Flight Explorer confirmed contrails observed persisted for over 30 minutes and most contrails were under 30 seconds of persistence. Additionally it was discovered that the jets that were responsible for leaving highly persistent trails that last for hours did not ever appear on Flight Explorer and were documented for 8 separate instances, including one instance with two jets in formation. These unidentifiable jets were found to produce a contrail that was consistent with confirmed contrails during the periods when they weren't leaving highly persistent trails. Highly persistent trails are often seen in the form of isolated relatively short strips, as well as large areas of cirrus aviaticus clouds, but on rare occasions have been seen in totally unique grid and wheel formations.

It is hoped that others will endeavor to repeat these observations and publish their results. By repeating the basic observations for persistence length and whether the flight appears on Flight Explorer, it will be seen whether or not a trend emerges confirming the existence of a unique category of trail. Atmospheric differences due to higher moisture and colder temperatures in different locations will produce greater maximum persistence observed for identifiable traffic. For those in locations with greatest contrailing potential, the task of collecting data on highly persistent trails from unidentifiable flights will be hardest.

In this research I have gone to great lengths to measure and characterize my observations as accurately as possible in order to provide the clearest representation possible given the resources available.

Mark Steadham"


Sciencey enough?


from here www.chemtrailcentral.com...



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[edit on 25-11-2008 by marsha law]

reply to post by marsha law


Isn't this the wrong thread for that?

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by marsha law

 

Isn't this the wrong thread for that?

Your words from previous post in this thread. "Yes, we are aware that using science (evidence and facts) against rumor and speculation is a bit unfair. "

Guess I could put it in the chemtrail thread too.
See ya there.

I believe www.chemtrailcentral.com is a disinfo site. They are there to spread lies to instill unnecessary fear into the populace. Plus the site is filled with non-chemtrail issues. Must be a disinfo site!!!

Unlesssssssssss.....They are saying Obama is responsible for Chemtrails?

Darn them!!


[edit on 11/25/2008 by greeneyedleo]

cnn.com


This one denies it ALL!

Originally posted by zerozero00
I apologise for adding a link to a petition asking for the BBC to report the TRUTH!
No offence intended, this is an "infowar" and I wrongly presumed I could post it!

So! has anyone been to the link I provided to check an agent out who's hard at work trying to dis inform?...maybe because I'm in the UK this site is irrelevant to ATS members?...maybe wrong thread?

Anyway, I'm off to do battle in the war of information!

In Comparing the BCC to CNN for Faux in the U.S makes BCC look like coast to coast lol.. BCC speaks more truth then our networks because brits question everything.. unlike many Americans..... Unless it has to do with American Idol

reply to post by marsha law


Why not change the thread to please post disinfo sites and disinfo ats members.. that would be interesting...

Originally posted by thefreepatriot
Why not change the thread to please post disinfo sites and disinfo ats members.. that would be interesting...

No.

Lets not, because that would be ad-hominem attacks on ATS members and that is against the T&C.