How would you fix society?

reply to post by mystiq


Are you a Communist?

The Venus Project is Communist - and most is Communist Propaganda.

I suggest you research Communist Propaganda. They communists said the same thing and had the same goals that are touted by the Venus Project.

I don't expect you to actually research communism - no doubt you think it isn't real, or is silly or 'dead.

In any case, you refusal to properly inform yourself before lending your support to a Communist Project lead by a Marxist Leninist and Social Darwinist (Eugenicist) has resulted in your conversion to the socialist paradigm.

You have failed. You now believe the state is more important than the individual.

I am a socialist, and in this monetary system, I look at countries like Norway and Sweden who have the highest standards of living in the world, with the least amount of violent crimes and trauma due to their CIVILIZED approach. Also, due to their proportional democracy, which due to abolishing the psuedo democratic winner take all approach, ensures that the percent you vote for is in the house, and this means many new parties form, and far larger amounts of women, who are not dog eat dog, winners and losers, but are communal, share and share alike people, get in. These countries shine their lights for all the world, and its child abuse to raise your children in any other system, and its selfishness, and its greed.

The venus project is one step up in the latter, and is truly how all advanced cosmic people live. I'm an experiencer and I know this. One day we will all join this, or we'll be barbaric fools forever.

reply to post by Canadianduder


I think you need to research the Venus project a little more. Even if it has some of the same ideas involved it isn't what it's based off. I've never seen true communism implemented, so who knows if it would work or not.

We've tried other ideas, and you see where that has gotten us.

reply to post by mystiq


Well said.

reply to post by mystiq


"One day we will all join this, or we'll be barbaric fools forever."

This is what you are saying :



You are promoting a system that when adopted by nations has resulted in 100 Million murders - but only of those "barbaric fools" who didn't want to "join this"....

*I take it you have never served in the military either...

[edit on 1-12-2008 by Canadianduder]

I like a lot of the ideas of the Venus Project, and I see little evidence of "Communism" from my brief look.

People tend to scream this word as soon as change is mentioned. It's a drummed-in fear, a knee-jerk reaction by over-zealous patriots who think everything else is bad and their way is perfect. Nothing short of denial and brainwashing.

How many millions have died in the name of "Democracy" and the false belief that you somehow have a voice? How many millions continue to die while a capitalist government allows drug companies to deny basic medications to those who can't pay the $$$? How many millions continue to die fighting wars over Oil and energy so that one "democratic" nation holds power over others?

Communism or not, the existing systems are broken, even democratic capitalism.

Anyway, back on-topic...

I'd create town halls. And enforce local governance much like what we have now, but with a leadership of smaller communities and real conversation between them and the people they serve.

I'd remove the idea that millions of people need to travel into a city to work.
It's outdated and no longer practical to have skyscrapers of office space in central locations. Much of that work can be done from home, alleviating travel, pollution, power consumption, and allowing people to work in smaller local communities based around the home, friends and family.
The technology already exists, we are just ignoring it.

I'd also change the way we are growing cities. We need smaller communities with smaller schools and local amenities operated by local people. Educational standards would improve. Local finance would no longer rely on global business. Responsibility for your own community would increase.

I'd also decapitate major business. In the beginning this would allow big businesses to continue to provide services but with all finance monitored by the local community in which it operates, to ensure that adequate finance is being distributed back into the local economy. Those in senior positions would be equal to the people buying their goods.

I would enforce limitations on vehicle use, create local rail and bus services and then tear up most of the tarmac and concrete.

Nationally, I'd retain the current system of governance but replace those wanting to get rich with those who have a passion for their community. There would be strict rules on spending, and stricter rules on personal investments for those in these positions.

Educational standards based on wealth would be destroyed. No child would receive a better education or better opportunities because they come from a wealthy family.

Basically, all my opinions stem from community and localized governance. I believe we have progressed too fast and as a result it is unbalanced and dangerous. We live in over crowded cities and towns and have become disconnected from who and what we are. We rarely know our neighbors, barely care what our children are being taught, and feel little responsibility for our environment or the welfare of our fellow Humans.
Instead we occupy our minds with childish toys and fill our lives with needless junk in the hope that it will somehow make things better.

I also think it would be better if people really thought about how they would change things instead of commenting on what political label such ideas fall under. Just like religion, stating political leanings and accusations with such labels only detracts from the important issues and limits exploration of possibilities.
One idea that smacks of "Communism" to you, might actually be a good idea in a grand scheme of things.

the key ingredient may be testosterone

as seen here

www.dailymail.co.uk...

perhaps that would be the way to fix society?

people of either gender with too much testosterone are responsible for the majority of aggression and also cheating on spouses

perhaps to fix society we need to decide what levels of hormones are healthy and what levels are unhealthy and detrimental to peace and stability of a society?

we are all agreed the only way to change society is to change people to choose to do the right thing and be good without need for a lot of laws

The key to changing people may be hormones and in particular - to determine what level of hormones in an individual is good and what level of hormones in an individual is destructive

perhaps chemical castration is not going to be necessary - perhaps a little genetic manipulation will see all of us have good levels of hormones without the levels that cause so many problems currently.


after all - ancient societies agreed to circumcision to be part of a society that suited the needs of everyone in that society - so perhaps we can agree on keeping hormone levels in check for the good of society

i would re-think the educational system...to teach respect,harmony with nature and people..teach emotions and spirituality

re-do the mainstream media to tell the truth and only the truth...

abolish the caste system & federal reserve/tax system...

learn from the natives around the world who know how to live in harmony with the planet and each other...



anyone know why you are not allowed to have a thread that has anything to do with global meditations on this website? is it the global part or the meditation? is it too thought provoking?

lol


namaste'

reply to post by megabyte


I'd be wary of chemically changing ourselves. Nature should handle this, while we take care of our bodies by eating well, and also take care of our minds.

We have so many behavior changing drugs now, and they aren't helping.

Originally posted by Scaye
reply to post by megabyte

 

I'd be wary of chemically changing ourselves. Nature should handle this, while we take care of our bodies by eating well, and also take care of our minds.

We have so many behavior changing drugs now, and they aren't helping.

I agree

i dont believe we know enough about these issues yet to start tampering with them

and chemically is not what I had in mind - perhaps there is a way to genetically interfere woth excessive testosterone genes?

yes it is still a long way in the future before anything like that can become a reality

Well firstly we need to roll out the Guillotines!
And Line all the Bankers and Politicians up!
And We start with Bush!
It is time for a REVOLUTION!
Once they out the way then we can sit around the camp fire and discuss the future!

Originally posted by Daniel666

Well firstly we need to roll out the Guillotines!
And Line all the Bankers and Politicians up!
And We start with Bush!
It is time for a REVOLUTION!
Once they out the way then we can sit around the camp fire and discuss the future!

they did that already - French revolution and Russian revolution -and it did not change a lot for the common people

what we need is to put in place extremely strong irrevokable system of checks and balances to keep the bastards honest

Originally posted by foremanator
We now have the ability to make decisions as a "whole"

Our current system was developed a long time ago for an age where it was not feasible for everyone to have an opinion.

That's where a geographic area would vote in a politician who would represent them in congress or parliament. This model is flawed.

Inevitably the majority of those elected will either be corrupt or become corrupt. The temptation of bribes from big interest and lobbyist undermines the will of the many and is dominated by a corrupt few.

It bothers me that people disagree with this logic. The majority I find, do not think it is possible or feasible to enact a system where by the population would vote as a whole on which laws or policy to pursue or not to pursue.

Until we as a majority decide to take control over our own destiny, "one man one vote" We will forever be pawns in a game played by a few twisted power hungry selfish elites.

Stop and think... Is this world going in the direction society wants?
How many times are laws or policy passed that hardly anyone agrees with?

Just recently our city hall voted to to charge people monthly for recycling.(on top of the recycling fees you pay when you buy the product) Massively unpopular with the majority. And yet it gets passed. This is not representation.
Take control of your destiny as a people. Its your life and journey. Wait till they stop at the gas station then jump in the drivers seat and take off.

Wake up! don't be sheep. Pay attention to what is going on. Secure true liberty for your lineage. And most importantly teach your children to be true and righteous to one another.

We could just follow the Constitution. It's still valid, unless you can point out how it isn't valid.

I wouldn't. I promote elective human extinction.

I think the greatest problem facing society today is apathy. The problems facing us today would have reduced significantly if more people cared about actively addressing them as opposed to leaving it up to someone else to worry about. It's something small but I think I can it make a huge difference.

Starting from a young age I think people need to be educated about the importance of helping others and there should also be initiatives implemented to encourage everyone to get involved in community work so that they can gain a greater understanding of how vital and rewarding giving back to society can be.

Do away with religion all together, but keep spirituality.
Do away with capitalism, and implement theoretical socialism.
Military isolationism, and do away with empires and worldwide military bases.
Elimination of all offensive weapons.
Cut back on military spending, and increase educational and infrastructure spending.
Mandatory, unbiased classes on foreign cultures.
Travel (plane, train, ship) price cuts, to allow the masses to experience other cultures, at a more affordable price.
Elimination of over-time in the work place.
Eliminate individual vehicles, and implement mass transit.

The list can go on, but the "dog eat dog" society just doesn't seem to be working as a whole.

[edit on 12/12/2008 by prototism]

i think fixing society starts with teaching kids what they want to learn.

remember the first few months of school?

how cool and exciting they were?

so much information,give me more..then,beeeep flatline.

so many themes throughout the generations depict this.we're like playful young animals sent to the circus.

How would you fix society?

Somehow convince people to take personal responsibility for their own corner of the world. That no matter what happens outside that corner, they are still responsible to make sure their corner runs as close to perfect as possible. That would take care of a lot of problems. It would be a great start.

The older I get I look at the Georgia Guide-stones with more understanding as to why anyone would build such a thing.