How would you fix society?

I'm a big supporter of the Venus Project ,but there remain many who doubt this solution.

My question is how would you fix society? Please keep it as short as possible and to the point so all input can be considered.

I would like religious solutions (other than perhaps a lack of) to be left out, as I'm looking for something we can do ourselves, and not wait around for some higher being to save us.

I know we can do this, but Jacque (creator of Venus Project) says he's one man with a solution he came up with and it's not absolute by any standard.

I honestly think it would take positive and effective communism and socialism to fix the world. I am a keen believer that education can fix it all, educating the people and stop oppressing technology that could significantly take the burden off of the world, and stop raping Mother Nature of her fossil fuels too! Clean and FREE energy, clean and free transportation energy, clean and free water, free education, free health. The only void of success is EDUCATION, educate the people to do better, and they will, and not the type of education we see today, I think it’s a dumb, ineffective approach to education. Take back the MSM and clean it up of its corruption, take back the government.

We have to go in stages, going from this economic monster system to something.., wel sane is not going to be easy at first.

The best way that hurts the least in the long run is total economic transparancy worldwide without exceptions. EVERY moneytrail can be checked, companies or just the neighbour, no difference. They keep telling us 'follow the money' so make everyone able to check on the moneytrails, make it imposssible to 'take over' the system by decentralizing the whole system and let more people/organisations make back-ups so fraude is impossible.

The big adavantage of this is that we can use the systems in place but give up the banking privacy for anything using banks, we do not have any secrets from any big corp anymore so let's make it mutual. It keeps potential bubbles from growing 'out of sight', it keeps people who do not want to buy shoes made by some child laborer honest because of the money trail to the sweatshops from whatever brand. No rules or restrictions just total self-responsibility with what you want to do with your money.

I believe the first step is having one parent at home raising their child/children. It doesn't make a difference to me if it's the mom or the dad but I think one parent should be required to have parenting be their sole occupation.

Jemison

The best futurists are the ones that apply scifi to the real world, things have to work in the real world.

Personally i want to see 1 gender, i know it may be long off, but one day maybe. I doubt in the meantime you will have a utopia, though we all believe maybe one day there maybe a better world, but maybe alot of pain before, as usual with our world.

People are generally scum, and want power and when they get it, they want to destroy as that is easier than building something, or making positive things happen.

Personally i would rather have lived in the past, at least there was no such thing as mind control, no matter how bad people where, and we know people ahve been brutal through the ages.

That project described in zeigeist will not happen, and if it did is a long way off. We are more likely to live in a brave new world type world, where people are just obsessed with sex and drugs or what have you, for a good while longer.

The anglo american world will never work out our problems, we know this from how many centuries of rule.

I am afraid we are just heading for at least a few centuries of total mind control by our rulers, and i doubt if ever that will leave us. Do you guys really think, that mind control will solve every problem?

[edit on 11/24/2008 by andy1033]

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This is easy, I would do most of what Ron Paul has said he would do. To repair this country we would have to get the federal government back to what it was made to do under the constitution. People would say isolationism and all kinds of things, they usually attack those that want to be FREE.

I would pull all our troops from every country in the world and put them on our borders. I would put us back on a gold/silver backed currency to control inflation and manipulation of the currencies, hence no more Federal Reserve. I would do away with all the intel agencies like the NRO and the CIA and put it under the pentagon. I would stop the feds from interfering in the education standards of each state and community, hence no NEA. I would tell every non psychotic and non violent offenders that they must have at least one gun in the house, hence crime drops. I would close our borders and control hem like most nations do, Mexico for example. I would release all non-violent no hurt party people from prison, particularly Marijuana users from jail and use those cells to keep real dangerous people in, like pedophiles and murderers. I would cut social programs to the bare bones and put the onus back on the Churches and Communities to care for their own needy and poor. I would stop the I.R.S. and the so called income tax as most people believe it is. I would stop sending billions to other nations, most of whom hate us. I would stop any bailouts of any business that can not stay in business itself, hence a truly capitalist nation.

I know you said short answer so I will stop here but there is much more in this line that I would do, like breaking the mass media monopolies and no one would own more than one medium in any state.

I think I would take back all the golf courses and create new jobs by growing vegetables to feed all who are hungry.Just for starters.

We now have the ability to make decisions as a "whole"

Our current system was developed a long time ago for an age where it was not feasible for everyone to have an opinion.

That's where a geographic area would vote in a politician who would represent them in congress or parliament. This model is flawed.

Inevitably the majority of those elected will either be corrupt or become corrupt. The temptation of bribes from big interest and lobbyist undermines the will of the many and is dominated by a corrupt few.

It bothers me that people disagree with this logic. The majority I find, do not think it is possible or feasible to enact a system where by the population would vote as a whole on which laws or policy to pursue or not to pursue.

Until we as a majority decide to take control over our own destiny, "one man one vote" We will forever be pawns in a game played by a few twisted power hungry selfish elites.

Stop and think... Is this world going in the direction society wants?
How many times are laws or policy passed that hardly anyone agrees with?

Just recently our city hall voted to to charge people monthly for recycling.(on top of the recycling fees you pay when you buy the product) Massively unpopular with the majority. And yet it gets passed. This is not representation.
Take control of your destiny as a people. Its your life and journey. Wait till they stop at the gas station then jump in the drivers seat and take off.

Wake up! don't be sheep. Pay attention to what is going on. Secure true liberty for your lineage. And most importantly teach your children to be true and righteous to one another.

Originally posted by foremanator
Until we as a majority decide to take control over our own destiny, "one man one vote" We will forever be pawns in a game played by a few twisted power hungry selfish elites.

Democracy? Really, are you serious? Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner. prefer the Republic because it protects he individuals from the majoirty The majority is usually wrong and ill informed, particularly in this day and age. We have a Constitution and so does every State we should use them as guides for governance and stop overreaching legislatures, executives, and Judges/Magistrates.

No harm = No Foul...

Originally posted by theindependentjournal

Originally posted by foremanator
Until we as a majority decide to take control over our own destiny, "one man one vote" We will forever be pawns in a game played by a few twisted power hungry selfish elites.

Democracy? Really, are you serious? Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner. prefer the Republic because it protects he individuals from the majoirty The majority is usually wrong and ill informed, particularly in this day and age. We have a Constitution and so does every State we should use them as guides for governance and stop overreaching legislatures, executives, and Judges/Magistrates.

No harm = No Foul...

You have it wrong my friend.
When sheep at the table has the gun the sheep becomes the wolf and the wolf's become the sheep. Besides we are not sheep or wolves. We are people and I have faith in our respect for one another.

There is nothing we have to change, just our mentality, the way we think and see things. We need a new paradigm, a shift in consciousness. Nothing more, that will change everything.

No technology can save us. As long as we stay this way we cannot hope to become any better.

If we have a government it needs to be 90% transparent. That would do a world of good.

There is no 'fix.' All we have at our disposal is progress. We build on what we already have and just keep on building in various directions. So my 'fix' would be more money spent on research, political, governmental, scientific, philosophical, sociological and whatever else we need to push back the frontiers. Admitteedly, this 'plan' would not work overnight......

Originally posted by Pericle
There is nothing we have to change, just our mentality, the way we think and see things. We need a new paradigm, a shift in consciousness. Nothing more, that will change everything.

No technology can save us. As long as we stay this way we cannot hope to become any better.

Can you elaborate on a way to achieve this. I agree with you, but I don't see this happening before we pass our next chance to get out of the "loop" we are in.

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The Venus Project isn't a Utopia. In a physical world, this cannot exist without death to human emotion, which in turn makes living pointless.

Well I dont just want to fix society, I want to fix religion as well, so in one step that could do both, I encourage everyone to partake in an Ayahuasca ceremony. You see, people are weary of what other men have to present when it comes to ideology or spirit matters, so we just take men out of that position, and let the plants be the healers and teachers.
Anyone who has partaken in a '___' ceremony or session, knows what I am talking about. Psychedelics are in my opinion the key to the human experience. They dont let people cheat one another with lies and agenda's and the masks of ego, they strip you of the illusion and show you how IT is, deeply reconnecting you to the source and realizing your purpose and feeling a divine connection with every single pixel of experience from the neighbors to the former enemy to the curbs and leaves or fruit of the tree's.
The human race needs this Archaic Revival as stated by McKenna. With the advent of our technology, like the venus project proposes, we could easily stop all world hunger and destructive industrial habits, and work with the earth like shamans and indigenous people with a responsible sense of vanity rather than a gross excess.

Im not one to suggest drug use, in fact Im very much so against stimulants and sedatives, I really think the only substance worth while to consume, is water, food, and '___'. I know most of you will look at this like oh just a druggie, but its nothing like that, and I really wish you could see it for what it is. Keep in mind, that the shamans who use this sacrament, use it to find lost objects, cures, and many other very useful insights.

I think if during the 60's, we didnt have drugs like benzo's, heroin and coc aine and the like to downward that spiral, the shamanic psychedelic '___' would be incorporated into nearly every religion and school of thought there is. Again I will apologize for posting something that seems on the fringe, but Ive personally witnessed some very deeply moving and profound awakenings for many people, people who thought of it as a drug, and came away from it bowing to the sentient teacher it truly is. This is not something you do every day, maybe once in a lifetime is all that is needed for many, so please, keep an open mind. There is a reason psychedelic substances that are much less harmful or not at all addicting compared to heroin, are more illegal than heroin. We could let the plants be the politicians, we could let the plant spirits decide how we must live, I mean, if we do have a way to literally ask earth what we should do, should we not utilize this? Instead, people who go to the jungle and figure out the truth of the Ayahuasca spirit, come back to be labeled crazy and drug addict, they smile, and wait for the inevitable time when man finds his way again, the earth way.

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Right, bothered to check out your venus project stuff, and it reminds me of the New Economics Foundation

www.neweconomics.org...

They're trying to make us sustainable, but do hapiness as part of it.

You don't need to fix society. You must fix yourself, you must better your life and with it better the lives of others. You must teach them and at the same time learn from them. It's all about relationships. Many sad things happen every day, because people are lonely or have had something bad happen to them. Believe me, if you want to change anything start with a talk. Everything else comes with it.

Originally posted by theindependentjournal
reply to post by Scaye

 

I would release all non-violent no hurt party people from prison, particularly Marijuana users from jail and use those cells to keep real dangerous people in, like pedophiles and murderers. I would cut social programs to the bare bones and put the onus back on the Churches and Communities to care for their own needy and poor.

I agree with most of what you said. Keeping the current system many of those things would be a huge help.

I would like to draw you attention to current crimes in general. You are aware that our social structure is what causes these people to do these crimes? We actually create them, yet blame other things like Demons, Video Games, and Movies for the acts they commit. I think in order to get this in check, true reform of our justice system is needed along with the understanding to rehabilitate these folks. At the same time Parenting must be adjusted to include both parents in their child's life. A huge undertaking, but if we don't see to it that a new understanding occurs we doom the future to the same fate we see now, or worse.

Also I feel that members of a religion should be responsible for money to their said organization. The state in no way should give hand-outs to a religious organization period. Tolerance for all beliefs so long as it doesn't bring harm to someone.

Originally posted by Jemison
I believe the first step is having one parent at home raising their child/children. It doesn't make a difference to me if it's the mom or the dad but I think one parent should be required to have parenting be their sole occupation.

Jemison

I think this is a good point. However, I would add both parents equally (as much as possible) need to be around. Kids need them both. These are the people that teach you about the word.