How Obama Got Elected

reply to post by gimme_some_truth


OK, start talking:

Explain what Obama meant by this:

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.

It means he intends to slap a new tax on us - a carbon tax.

Or this:

"...I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody."

See my signature for further details.

Or this:

"...opening our coastlines to offshore drilling would take at least a decade to produce any oil at all, and the effect on gasoline prices would be negligible at best since America only has three percent of the world's oil."

Or this:

Democrat Barack Obama said Sunday that if elected he will push to increase the amount of income that currently is taxed to provide monthly Social Security benefits.

Or this:

It took a couple of tries, but CNN "American Morning" co-anchor John Roberts got Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama to admit what people probably already knew - Obama wants to raise taxes.

Obama appeared in an interview with Roberts on the January 9 "American Morning" fresh off his second place finish in the New Hampshire Democratic primary. He told Roberts high taxes were in the best interest of the American economy.

He's a tax and spend liberal, with socialistic ideas such as national health care and a Civilian National Security Force.

He has extensive involvement with unrepentant terrorist William Ayers.

That's enough for you to start on.

However, I am very accustomed to people just disappearing when they lose their arguments.

reply to post by southern_Guardian

Originally posted by southern_Guardian
It should be further noted GST that well before the elections and following 9/11 the Bush family has close dealings and meetings with the Bin Laden family and they were considered friends. This was during the time Osama Bin Laden was committing these unforgivable act. Its funny ya know, not only was this man a disaster to this nation, but conservatives alike paraded this man around in 2000 and 2004 with his familys close connections to the Bin Ladens... I mean even Osama himself was in contact with the reagans during the early 80s.

Just more double standards... hypocrisy.....

[edit on 23-11-2008 by southern_Guardian]

Oh please, southern_Guardian. How duplicitous can you be?

Osama bin Laden has been disowned by his family for years. You know that, or should know it.

Trying such a tactic is seriously silly. Except for the uninformed - they will be sure to believe you.

Edit to ask you, before you try it:

Who exactly gave the order to allow the bin Laden family to fly out of the US immediately after 9/11, when travel was shut down?


[edit on 23-11-2008 by jsobecky]

reply to post by jsobecky


For someone who claims to care about policy and understand it, I'll be damned if I've ever seen you post up anything that has relatively close to real political talk.

It's only convenient for you to sling mud because you don't advocate a real candidate. Must be nice, always being able to attack (by providing lame facts) and never having to defend.

Cowardly, but nice.

reply to post by Irish M1ck


I repeat my challenge to you.

Put up or shut up.

Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by gimme_some_truth

 

OK, start talking:

Explain what Obama meant by this:

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.

It means he intends to slap a new tax on us - a carbon tax.

Or this:

"...I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody."

See my signature for further details.

Or this:

"...opening our coastlines to offshore drilling would take at least a decade to produce any oil at all, and the effect on gasoline prices would be negligible at best since America only has three percent of the world's oil."

Or this:

Democrat Barack Obama said Sunday that if elected he will push to increase the amount of income that currently is taxed to provide monthly Social Security benefits.

Or this:

It took a couple of tries, but CNN "American Morning" co-anchor John Roberts got Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama to admit what people probably already knew - Obama wants to raise taxes.

Obama appeared in an interview with Roberts on the January 9 "American Morning" fresh off his second place finish in the New Hampshire Democratic primary. He told Roberts high taxes were in the best interest of the American economy.

He's a tax and spend liberal, with socialistic ideas such as national health care and a Civilian National Security Force.

He has extensive involvement with unrepentant terrorist William Ayers.

That's enough for you to start on.

However, I am very accustomed to people just disappearing when they lose their arguments.

First off, how about posting the link? that would be a good start. I did ask for a non biased and legitimate source.

Second all I have to say is what in the world does that have to do with anything. You have provided some external content talking about policies.How does that back up yor claim that obama supporters are uneducated? How does it prove any of the ridiculous claims you have made about people who voted for Obama?

You were supposed to provide some evidence from a non biased and legitimate source that backs up your claim that obama supporters, are alll un educated, or that none of us know the truth about barrack obama.

All you have posted are some quotes from obama and some quotes from some websites about things he has said.

That has nothing to do with providing evidence for your ridiculous claims.

You have not been asked to show us quotes from obama. You have been asked to provide evidence from a non biased and legitimate source to back up your claims about people who voted for Obama.

You have provided NOTHING of any legitmacy thus far as to your claims about obama voters. As you have put it. Its time for you to put up or shut up.

Quit stalling. We are all waiting.

[edit on 23-11-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

reply to post by jsobecky


You want to debate?

Sure. Let's have a formal debate in the debate forum as soon as I am done with the current one.

You can pick an argument over policy, or you can even choose one of your ridiculous mudslinging topics about Obama - like he's a Christian Muslim Extremist who hates Israel but appointed an extremely pro-Israel person into his cabinet.

If you want to debate on Obama's policy, you'll also need a candidate for me to rebut against.

you cant argue with these people. you give them quotes and they give you excuses.
they don't give you one fact about obama's "greatness", all they do is refute
no matter what you show them or what you produce,there is no statement that is true if it offends the messiah or casts a bad light on Him

like i've said before, these are the people that obama will employ when he needs his dirty work done. the blind followers.

scary video check out the third one down...this is what you're going up against. remind you of anything?

reply to post by gimme_some_truth


I see. You are afraid. I understand.

Originally posted by Spectre0o0
you cant argue with these people. you give them quotes and they give you excuses.
they don't give you one fact about obama's "greatness", all they do is refute
no matter what you show them or what you produce,there is no statement that is true if it offends the messiah or casts a bad light on Him

like i've said before, these are the people that obama will employ when he needs his dirty work done. the blind followers.

scary video check out the third one down...this is what you're going up against. remind you of anything?

Interesting... im not sure what you are getting at. Why do you find a video of children doing a skit about the next president scary?

Does a group of children who have no political influence, doing a skit about the next president really scare you?

Do you reall think that all people who voted for Obama go around doing skits about him all day?

Or are you just being sarcastic and you really do understand how silly it is to find a video of children doing a skit about the next president, scary?

Certainly you know that not all people who voted for obama do skits like that.

If you are being serious, I cant help but wonder, what makes you think that all people who voted for obama go around doing skits all the time?

reply to post by Irish M1ck

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by jsobecky

 

You want to debate?

Sure. Let's have a formal debate in the debate forum as soon as I am done with the current one.

You can pick an argument over policy, or you can even choose one of your ridiculous mudslinging topics about Obama - like he's a Christian Muslim Extremist who hates Israel but appointed an extremely pro-Israel person into his cabinet.

If you want to debate on Obama's policy, you'll also need a candidate for me to rebut against.

Show me an instance where I ever said Obama was a Muslim Extremist.

Show mw, or let it be know that to the world that you are a LIAR who is spreading falsehoods.

I'm calling you out right now.

reply to post by Irish M1ck


Why would I need a candidate to debate Obama's policies?

Makes no sense at all.

reply to post by Spectre0o0


I know - I've seen that video.

It is very scary, to be sure. Brainwashing children. But the current generation is already brainwashed, so what would you expect?:shk:

Alright folks, everyone take a:



Let's drop the personal junk.

reply to post by Irish M1ck

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by jsobecky

 

You want to debate?

Sure. Let's have a formal debate in the debate forum as soon as I am done with the current one.

You're on. The topic will be Obama's policies, and how they will affect this nation.

Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by gimme_some_truth

 

I see. You are afraid. I understand.

Stalling still? the ball is in your court. All you have to do is provide evidence from a non biased and legitimate source that your claims about people who voted for obama are true.

I have shown I am not afraid. I am more than willing to continue. But untilll you provide the evidence and quit stalling by posting irrelevant content, we cant continue.

The way you continue to stall is only making you look worse.Would you like the chance to back away from your claims? All you have to do is admit that your claims were baseless.

If you dont want to back away, then provide the evidence from a non biased and legitimate source that supports your claims.

You can make irrelevent, off topic, troll like posts all you want. The fact remains that the ball is in your court untill you can provide that evidence.

I am afraid? Thats a cute one. If you want to back away from your claims all you have to do is admit that your claims were baseless. If not then provide the evidence, and make sure it comes from a non biased and legitimate source.

Back away from your claims or provide the evidence. Those are your two options. key word being trying.It is completly up to you! I will be here waiting to see your move.


[edit on 23-11-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

I can only assume that my last post wasn't read as some may have been typing. This will be the last verbal warning if the personal attacks continue.

reply to post by gimme_some_truth


I have given you some of Obama's stances to defend. Can you do it?

I will go back and supply links if that is what you want, but you are only postponing the inevitable.

Intrepid, I'm trying to get this discussion back onto the issues. I have no desire to fling any personals, if I'm guilty of it.

To others: please stay on the discussion of policies.

Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by gimme_some_truth

 

I have given you some of Obama's stances to defend. Can you do it?

I will go back and supply links if that is what you want, but you are only postponing the inevitable.

Im not here to defend anything. Its not up to me to defend anything. Quite trying to deflect away from the matter at hand.

you know that you are to post evidence from a non biased and legitimate source that people who voted are uneducated or dont know the truth or any of the other ridiculous claims you have made.

Deflect all you want. The ball is in your court untill you can do so. As for postponing the inevitable, well you know what you are supposed to have done along time ago in this thread. We are stil waiting.

[edit on 23-11-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

reply to post by jsobecky


did you notice that its a "skit"? proof positive that what i posted is true.
obama talking about a civilian army and then that ! well i guess you could call the messiah's campaign a "skit"
and jsobecky,you are such a deflector. oh my! but you can't get anywhere with an obamatron,forget it... how do you argue with someone who thinks brainwashing is a skit????????????????

[edit on 23-11-2008 by Spectre0o0]