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Originally posted by FightLies
1. I havent seen anything about worldnet daily saying obamas BC is "legit "
A separate WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.
2. someone thinks he was born in canada?
3. the host said that we are "living in denial"
4.he also said that this is a "bogus claim", well not to me, and hopfully not to anyone who loves the constitution.
5. and the big one....... they said that the BC they showed was his true BC they didnt state that its a COLB and how that is two different things.
Saying that is his BC on live news just told people who are sheep a lie and I bet millions that most people watching this thinks that its the real deal BC now.
John McCain was neither born on United States soil, nor was he naturalized. He is a citizen at birth by statute. (...)
McCain is none of the above. He wasn't born on United States soil and he wasn't naturalized in the United States. Instead, McCain may claim citizenship from 8 USC 1403(a) (source)
Originally posted by FightLies
4.he also said that this is a "bogus claim", well not to me, and hopfully not to anyone who loves the constitution.
Originally posted by danx
Donofrio concludes McCain is a citizen by statute. He cites the statute that naturalized McCain (8 USC 1403(a)). How, then, he reaches the conclusion that McCain was US citizen at birth, if the statute that naturalizes McCain, was introduced 16 years after McCain’s birth?
Just out of curiosity, redhatty, you quoted the whole text of the poster? I’m just asking because if some context was left out, I might be judging the poster for something he didn’t mean.
Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.
Originally posted by danx
Personally, I think Leo Donofrio’s case has some merit and the Supreme Court should hear it.
By descent
A person is an Irish citizen by descent if at the time of his or her birth at least one of his or her parents was an Irish citizen.
Originally posted by redhatty
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Fact: We know that the Framers recognized a difference between US citizens and natural born citizens.
We don’t need to look FOR the definition of natural born citizen.
We need to be looking AT the definition of a US citizen (which would be what is required to serve as Senator or Representative but isn’t quite enough to let one serve as President).
14th Amendment:
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
This gives the SAME type of citizenship to those who are either:
1. BORN in the United States
OR
2. NATURALIZED in the United States
A child BORN on US soil receives the same type of citizenship as someone that is naturalized.
Either could serve in the Senate or House but NEITHER can serve as President because they are only citizens. Not natural born citizens. They receive the same type of citizenship in different ways.
A child BORN on US soil to two foreign parents is a citizen of the United States.
A child BORN on US soil to one foreign parent and one US citizen is a citizen of the United States.
A person naturalized in the United States is a citizen of the United States.
All Citizens of the United States can serve as Senators and Representatives. They cannot serve as President.
So, now that we’ve figured out who CAN’T be President, who is left that CAN?
A person with two US citizens as parents
I personally think that this summarizes the issue quite clearly
Originally posted by redhatty
Even though the legislation was enacted 16 yrs after McCain's birth, it was made to be retroactive to Feb 26, 1904.
I also think that the final line would have been better written Any Child born on US soil to Two US Parents is a natural-born citizen.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I understand where you're coming from on this, I think. You want the "natural-born" clause to be defined once and for all. And I'd like to see that, too.
But I'm not sure this is the right case to do that. Having Obama in this case makes it difficult.
Originally posted by FightLies
I do know thats not the case but you asked were I thought he was born and I told you kenya and then I showed you some of the reasons why I think like I do thats all sorry if its all been coverd already. mybad.
give the people all the information tell the truth and then lets figure out what to do whith it.
Originally posted by FightLies
I do know thats not the case but you asked were I thought he was born and I told you kenya and then I showed you some of the reasons why I think like I do thats all sorry if its all been coverd already. mybad.
the point I am trying to get to is that the media is handling this like its a joke that someone would question there messiah, I have a big problem with that. I think people need to know about this stuff.
give the people all the information tell the truth and then lets figure out what to do whith it.
Originally posted by Kailassa
Originally posted by FightLies
I do know thats not the case but you asked were I thought he was born and I told you kenya and then I showed you some of the reasons why I think like I do thats all sorry if its all been coverd already. mybad.
the point I am trying to get to is that the media is handling this like its a joke that someone would question there messiah, I have a big problem with that. I think people need to know about this stuff.
give the people all the information tell the truth and then lets figure out what to do whith it.
So much of what you are calling "this stuff" is misunderstandings, misquotes, untruths and unsupported allegations that no reputable media would want to be seen as supporting it.
For example, do you realise that Obama does not even have a living Grandmother? Sarah Obama is his father's third wife, and when she states she was there at Barack Obama's birth, she has just been discussing Barack Obama senior and is obviously still speaking about him. Listen carefully, write down what is said, and you will see for yourself.
When, on another tape, she says Barack is a child of the village, she is using a colloquial term that denotes ancestral roots.
When so much of the argument that Obama was born in Kenya is based on fanciful evidence like this, and there is absolutely no evidence that Obama's mother even traveled outside the US during the year of his birth, you cannot expect even Fox News to report on more than the mere fact that there is a rumour.
Originally posted by danx
You’re right and I was gonna edit and add that to my previous post. Thank you, nonetheless for pointing it out
So you’re of the opinion that only one born to two US citizens, classifies as “natural born” citizen? Is it because of the dual citizenship situation? I’m asking this because there are countries whose legislation doesn’t apply to the children of people who are living abroad, and those children are not granted citizenship for that matter.
In these cases, a child born in the US to a US citizen and an alien of one of those countries, would only have US citizenship. Would that then make that child a “natural born” citizen? Because the child would only be a US citizen at birth?
Originally posted by danx
Originally posted by FightLies
I do know thats not the case but you asked were I thought he was born and I told you kenya and then I showed you some of the reasons why I think like I do thats all sorry if its all been coverd already. mybad.
I understand your concerns, even though I do not agree with your opinion. However, as BH as pointed out, this thread in particular is regarding a lawsuit that does not question Obama’s place of birth.
give the people all the information tell the truth and then lets figure out what to do whith it.
I agree that the people should have all the information, but with all due respect, this is an issue of legality and Constitutionality and as such, I don’t see this as a matter for people “to figure out what to do with it”.
This is something that has to be decided by the Courts. People can (and should) only input their personal opinions, preferences and concerns. Doesn’t mean they have much legal or Constitutional value, or even relevance, though.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Does anyone have any idea when we might hear of the Supreme Court's decision? I have no experience with this sort of thing and just wondered if anyone else did...