The Truth about Aliens and abductions and channeling

reply to post by mungodave


Mr. mungodave,

Sir, rarely would a lack of caffeine present itself, to myself.

Yes, very inarticulate.

A bad day is not uncommon. This is perhaps due to a certain shape shifting reptilian, and other points you mention, without being specific.

When something intelligent comes to mind I will express it for you. It could take a while.

“Fully” would generally mean “in toto” as opposed to unilaterally. Though I am unaware of the expression you use, it could also be used pejoratively.

Here is your ball, and thesaurus.

Thank you.


[edit on 24-11-2008 by Cogito, Ergo Sum]

There were a couple of explanations behind alien contact and abductions I previously forgot to mention.

One of these are abduction experiences induced by hypnotists whom are trying to regress a person back to relive certain past experiences. In some , perhaps many cases , these hypnotists actively lead the subject into creating false memories, by suggesting and asking about things that to the hypnotized subject may turn into a "memory" of something that happened, but in reality did not.

There are also traumatized people whom have experienced other things, such as sexual abuse, that turn these memories into memories of "alien abudctions" - I actually saw a good movie on this subject called Mysterious Skin, and I recommend it to anyone, but be warned it is a very disturbing and graphic movie intended for adult audiences and not for those weak of heart or mind.

Here is the movie information about this specific film: www.imdb.com...

And, you also have other forms of false memories, such as those induced on purpose by various governmental agencies and others whom for various agendas and reasons want people to believe in alien abduction and evil aliens and fear such things. Such false memories can be implanted through various means, from standard brainwashing and mind control methods to more esoteric and occult methods such as what can be called black magic - this can also be performed by various spirit entities whom on purpose make a person believe he had an alien abduction or alien contact.

Now, I think I have covered most of the common explanations behind such phenomenas that I know of - there are probably other explanations as well, and perhaps a very few might be the real deal but as of yet I personally have never seen any indication towards the slightest evidence of such.

-Maggador

I work with ET's whom are in astral form, I am always in contact with them if I choose so. I've said this in my first thread here I believe. That being said, the second visitation was actually one that involved physically being there. They were biological and not spirit form. I would have to disagree and suggest that there are physical ET's here among us, and these are not human looking. I won't ask anyone to believe me that there are physicaly ET's, there's no need. Most truth is within the people reading this and I have faith in that bit of intuition people are given.

Hi IX,

My experience falls outside your explanations. I had a visitation while fully awake. It looked like the typical small, alien being. I was not abducted nor tested in any way, but I was communicated with telepathically. I was given three words and a vision.

Before this happened, I believed that ET life existed, but didn't feel it had anything to do with me. I didn't enjoy sci fi and never even watched the movie Close Encounters until afterward. It just wasn't anything I was interested in. Boy, how my life changed. I was going through a period of spiritual growth and was interested in angels, healing, etc. My visitation was a very spiritual experience and once I got over the initial fear, it felt very peaceful and sacred.

I understand your views, since you haven't experienced this yourself. Until you do, there is no way for you to fully understand. I do hope you and others will respect that there are some of us out here having these experiences who are normal and functional in every way. If you met me, you would never guess I had this experience. I am a woman in my 40's, married with two children and own a software consulting business. I didn't ask for it, but I am thankful for it because it opened my mind to so many possibilities and it was a very positive encounter.

Originally posted by SpiritQuest
Hi IX,

My experience falls outside your explanations. I had a visitation while fully awake. It looked like the typical small, alien being. I was not abducted nor tested in any way, but I was communicated with telepathically. I was given three words and a vision.

Before this happened, I believed that ET life existed, but didn't feel it had anything to do with me. I didn't enjoy sci fi and never even watched the movie Close Encounters until afterward. It just wasn't anything I was interested in. Boy, how my life changed. I was going through a period of spiritual growth and was interested in angels, healing, etc. My visitation was a very spiritual experience and once I got over the initial fear, it felt very peaceful and sacred.

I understand your views, since you haven't experienced this yourself. Until you do, there is no way for you to fully understand. I do hope you and others will respect that there are some of us out here having these experiences who are normal and functional in every way. If you met me, you would never guess I had this experience. I am a woman in my 40's, married with two children and own a software consulting business. I didn't ask for it, but I am thankful for it because it opened my mind to so many possibilities and it was a very positive encounter.

I believe you, my experiences with them -some very short ones- were such healing moments and I am appreciative that I hav ethe ability to keep in contact with these souls. I would love to know what your beings looked like, see if there are any similarities. You may be one of us, I'm curious to find out-(healers).

reply to post by Zerra


Hi Zerra,

I just sent you a U2U message. I would like to exchange information with you about my experience. Thank you.

Originally posted by SpiritQuest
reply to post by Zerra

 

Hi Zerra,

I just sent you a U2U message. I would like to exchange information with you about my experience. Thank you.

Thankyou

So you say that not one alien has been to visit earth, including the Pleiadians?

And that the Pleiadians reside on another planet and simply project themselves onto the spiritual plane and then reincarnate to this planet?

Do they have a physical form in anyway?

reply to post by IX-777


So you say that not one alien has visited earth, including the Pleiadians?

And that the Pleiadians reside on another planet and simply project themselves onto the spiritual plane and then reincarnate to this planet?

Do they have a physical form in anyway?


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Zerra: May I ask how you can be sure they were physical? And is it not possible that one of my previous explanations could explain your experience as well?

SpiritQuest: I am not doubting peoples experiences - I doubt their true explanation. Many things may seem as real and physical as sitting here writing this now, but yet it is not.

You say your experience was spiritual, yet you also claim the alien was physical, and using telepathy. I do not doubt that you saw what you claim - but could it not be possible that you saw it with your psychic vision rather than your physical? I am myself very experienced with everything relating to the spiritual, supernatural, occult and paranormal etc, including aliens and spirit entities, altered states of mind, visions, how perception works and how the mind and memory is structured and so on.

I am involved with and have been involved with many various institutions, organizations, orders, societies, governments and so on, which are directly related to this very topic - and its sub-topics, such as the true nature of these beigns, which have given me the reason to come with the conclusions I have. I have personally seen the evidence and experienced the things I am telling to be the explanations to be true. I have seen real aliens too for that matter, I am not saying they do not exist, but I seriously doubt most of the claims of physical alien abduction simply because all the evidence I have seen points to one of the other explanations I have already put forth here in this thread.

As I have mentioned, I am open for the possibility that in a very few extreme cases there might be a real involvment with physical aliens, but these cases must be close to none and most cases must be explained through one of the explanations I have given.

The reason for this is not only because I have been involved with these things and know they take place in these ways, but also because of the simple fact there is NO real evidence of ANY physical alien presence on Earth. Not a single convincing evidence. So if the case was true that there are so many aliens among us, visiting people, popping up here and there, taking people with them all the time all over the world, surely there would be some evidence of this, some real photos, videos, even someone whom had managed to capture, kill or injure such a being and thus have some physical evidence left , or even managed to at least get some of their instruments or other alien items with them as evidence. But this is not the case - and it is extremely implausible that no such evidence would exist if the amount of cases were real physical ones.

Think of it this way, lets say aliens were a species of animals, perhaps a rare species that not frequently is observed, but still in plenty enough amounts so that people have witnessed these animals, had direct conctact with them, even up to several times, all over the world, for very long time. Certainly at least a few people would have captured some of these, some would have videos of these animals, some would have tissue samples from dead animals, some would have photos of these animals, some would have gotten other pieces of evidence from the existence of these animals from tracks, to skeletons, to fur, anything that could be analyzed.

But this is not the case here, none such exist, and in the cases some evidence DO exist it is so obscure and of so little relevance that it can not be identified to be anything relating to aliens at all. Common "evidence" narrows down to marks on the body, marks on the ground from "spaceships", "implants", and so on, which none have ever been identified as alien in nature but on the other hand has been identified as rather natural causes. Scars and marks we all have, and could come from anything at any time in your life even if you have forgotten , and marks on the ground does not prove a thing except for that someone made those marks, and implants usually are fragments of metal and other things that could have come from completely natural and normal circumstances such as splinters from an old accident and so on - pieces of metal or other substances that are left in the body will move around, so thus they can appear in a completely different position than where they originally entered so that it seems odd and strange and no "rational" explanation can be thaught of - even though it is very rational for objects to move around like that.

I do not mean to offend or discredit anyones personal experiences, I am just merely stating my own personal observations and experiences and knowledge with the same topic.

As a final note, I can say yes there ARE beings in our worlds, that are non-human, and can appear in physical forms, but these are not aliens, they do not come from other planets with spaceships, but have manifested physically from other realms coexisting with our own. Such are extremely rare though, and most beings are observed with psychic sight, and such observation will look as real and physical as any other thing observed with the physical sight.

Myself I have experienced many beings, such as those of whom you would call "aliens", but I have found them to not be physical aliens from other planets at all. There are both good and bad ones, personally I have been both healed and attacked by such beings.

With that all said, I am more than interested in hearing more details about your experience, and why you believe they must be physical real aliens from other planets and can not belong to one of the categories of explanations I have offered here in this thread.

SatanChrist:

Yes, well, not exactly. I am not saying aliens from other planets NEVER have visited, indeed I know they have in the past, what I am saying is that the alien abudction and contact phenomena currently going on is not related to physical aliens and spaceships from other planets - at least the majority is not, perhaps an extremely small percentage I am not aware of could be the "real deal" but these must be very rare as mentioned in my explanation above.

Pleiadians and most advanced beings do as you suggest, project themselves, as this is an extremely fast and efficient way to travel compared to building huge spacecrafts and spending enormous amounts of time and energy on such. Many do have a physical form as they still live in different places of the universe and the humans of Earth are related to them, and they are part of the Human race themselves.

-Maggador

I can also add that they often travel in "light ships", or rather ships constructed of spiritual energy by their collective minds. Then a group of beings can travel together within such a craft to other worlds, extremely fast and efficiently, with no problems to think of such as malfunctions or hitting physical objects in space and so on. These ships are sometimes observed by people and thoguht to be real physical ships, and so are the beings inside these ships perceived to be real physical beings in some cases.

There are of course also various physical crafts around in the universe for different reasons, by different species of beings. But these are mostly out on other purposes than traveling to Earth to abduct people and I am not aware of any of them even visiting Earth.

Again, the very fact that no physical ships ever have malfunctioned and crashed on Earth for people to observe with no doubt of what it is, is another proof that physical alien contact either is not real, or simply so rare that it is close to non-existing.

"Zerra: May I ask how you can be sure they were physical? And is it not possible that one of my previous explanations could explain your experience as well? "


whoever undertakes to set himself up as judge in the field of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods. -- Albert Einstein

I do not suggest your explanations are not truthful, I only suggest that this is limited information and perhaps there are more truths out there.




[edit on 14-11-2009 by Zerra]

Since you did not elaborate on my request, I assume that it means you acknowledge perhaps it was not a physical alien experience after all.

I was just curious on what evidence you had on your experience being a physical one and why it could not be relating to any of the explanations I have offered which seems more plausible and probable than real physical alien contact (to me anyway from my experience with these things).

Thanks and best regards.
-Maggador

Originally posted by IX-777
Since you did not elaborate on my request, I assume that it means you acknowledge perhaps it was not a physical alien experience after all.

I was just curious on what evidence you had on your experience being a physical one and why it could not be relating to any of the explanations I have offered which seems more plausible and probable than real physical alien contact (to me anyway from my experience with these things).

Thanks and best regards.
-Maggador

You'd have assumed wrong.

I am aware that your question to me is the same as a person asking how I know my life is real, that it could be any number of possibilities from an illusion to my brain being in a vat. It is a waste of time to entertain the notion of debating such things. I only say to you that there are many possibilities in this world and many people with unique experiences. I do not say your theories are wrong, only that it is limited.

I certainly believe this. Before I learned astral projection and how to control my astral body I would have sleep paralysis all the time. I didn't think I was being abducted, but I did often feel like I was being suffocated or dieing (I was about 12 when it started). Learning astral projection and how to control my astral body actually cured me of my sleep paralysis, falsely so called, and I haven't had any such thing happen since (unless of course I'm trying to leave my body in this way).

I've tried to share this information with psychologists and people who study sleep disorders to let them know that if they teach their patients astral projection It will cure them... I probably just came off as a lunatic, but I tried.

Originally posted by Seventhdoor
I certainly believe this. Before I learned astral projection and how to control my astral body I would have sleep paralysis all the time. I didn't think I was being abducted, but I did often feel like I was being suffocated or dieing (I was about 12 when it started). Learning astral projection and how to control my astral body actually cured me of my sleep paralysis, falsely so called, and I haven't had any such thing happen since (unless of course I'm trying to leave my body in this way).

I've tried to share this information with psychologists and people who study sleep disorders to let them know that if they teach their patients astral projection It will cure them... I probably just came off as a lunatic, but I tried.

Yeppers, many people who are astral traveling often times return before the body is fully awake, this experience can be frightening. Astral travel is a fantastic experience and one that I really enjoy. Other people who are experiencing sleep paralyses yet do not experience any travel may in fact have a sleep disorder or a blood sugar problem (for example I know someone that caught a diebetic problem by telling of their sleep paralyses experience). No worries, those who are able to astral travel do so because they are awakening to their spirituality. This awakening will lead them towards more information-as you have found yourself as well. Spiritual journeys are rough, but will always lead us to our answers eventually. So even if they seek health care, if it is not the correct answer I believe their intuition will lead them to it while those who genuinely need health care will get that too. =)

Zerra:

Actually I am not limited in my theories, well of course there might be other explanations as well that I do not currently know of, and I am open to hear of other possibilities, but I DID state that it IS possible that a very few rare cases are real physical alien abductions - but I will state that these would have to be extraordinary small and probably not something happening frequently if it has happened at all. All the other explanations I have offered does seem to be the most plausible and reasonable explanation to the alien abduction and contact phenomena. So, I think we can agree then, since you had no evidence left to prove your experience was physical, you can agree it is possible I am correct and that it belongs to one of my categories of explanations, and I can agree that even though there were no evidence left of it being physical, it is possible - but I do consider that an extremely small possibility.

SeventhDoor:

Yes astral projection should be taught to everyone, from early school age, as a natural part of human experiences, perhaps in psychology classes - which also should be something taught to everyone from early on. Everyone know that spiritual experiences are real, in the fact that they do occur and people experience them, regardless of their true origin or cause. Millions of people experience something paranormal, spiritual or otherwise related to the esoteric and occult. Indeed, I would say the majority of people HAVE had at least one such experience. Thus, it is a common thing, clouded in mystery and often fear, which can be quite distressful for a person, it would thus be much more useful to teach people about these phenomenas - and how common they are, along with different possible explanations to what they are, from both traditional psychological explanations to the more new age and esoteric spiritual explanations - and leave people up to make up their own minds regarding the true cause of these experiences, and let them decided if they want to persue to try re-experience them or study them further and find out more about them either alone or in groups with other in their schools or otherwise.

But on the other side I know why these things are ignored and not taught in school and why it is a "hidden topic", which simply is because the schools are institutions created to brainwash and mind control people into slaves of society by the Elite, and freedom is not what they truly want to give the people, and exploring, experiencing and researching such topics as this can give people great freedom and understanding about themselves, existence, the powers that be and how the system and society works, the spiritual, own abilities, and so on. Thus for now it remains ignored until society changes towards a more open and harmonic one where truth and honesty is more valued than corruption, power and control. Where love and peace is more valued and practiced than training soldiers for war and destruction.

-Maggador

"since you had no evidence left to prove your experience was physical, you can agree it is possible I am correct and "
Wow, seriously, you are unable to find that you stating some 'theories' that within itself have no empirical proof or 'evidence', asking for 'my' proof or else your theories are true and I just have to agree? seriously? Anyone else see that as a tad circular, as I said a debate back and forth about a personal experience you weren't there for is a waste of time-It does not mean that I submit to your belief system. I do not take one person as the knower of 'all ' "truth". Whether you're a Christian at my door or anyone else.

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[edit on 15-11-2009 by Zerra]

No, I have actually seen the evidence for all the explanations I have offered, or else I would have little point in suggesting them.

The only one I have NOT seen any proof of is actual physical alien abduction or contact.

You are the one claiming to have met aliens in physical form, so I was just asking why you believe it was physical, if there were no evidence at all for you there to determine that it was a physical experience? How can you know it was not either imagination, non-physical entities, an astral experience, brief moment of psychosis, mind control, spiritual experience and so on? You are the one saying it was a physical experience, not me, I am just requesting you to clarify how you can know this for so sure. It is not your experience itself I am questioning, but its true origin and source.

With all the best.
-Maggador

Just because you personally haven't experienced something doesn't mean other people can't.

I haven't experienced a lot of things, doesn't mean other people havn't. . I could understand you saying-"I've had this experience and it was such and such and perhaps others experience this as well"

That would be helpful.


but to state, "I had this experience, so this means all experiences must be such and such and nobody else experienced it differently" "Oh well, if you did, then it's rare b.c I haven't" -it's completely limiting and tiresome.

How would telling my story to you prove it's not or is real? As I told you-it's the same if someone tells me i'm in a dream and to prov ethem wrong-How can I prove to you anything? I can't. You just have to trust that you haven't experienced it all yet, and maybe someday you will 2.

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