Those behind the Obama Birth Cert conspiracy

reply to post by themamayada


I completely agree that it is serious to lose your citizenship, and hard to do. Perhaps I muddled my explanation a little bit. I'm not saying he ever lost his citizenship to the U.S., I'm saying Indonesian policy no longer affected him when he left.

I'd also like to thank you for being calm and intelligent throughout the debate. It's refreshing not to have to sort through emotion-laden posts to see someone's point!

Originally posted by Aggie ManWhat proof were you able to give them that satisfied their requirements? It couldn't have been very solid proof if you were able to obtain it w/o showing up in person w 2 forms of photo identification, a passport, a social security card and a copy of your birth certificate...oh yeah, that last one was what you were attempting to obtain

Too funny! Looking at my online receipt, they asked me for my maiden name, my date of birth, city/state of birth, name on original birth certificate, mother/father's name, and then my new name (I'm now married) and addy, why I want this (legal? employment? passport? etc.) credit card info, etc. There was some legal-ease about I swear I'm telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth that I had to agree to (check mark). That's about it. Didn't think about this - but I guess anyone with enough info could get a copy of mine!

reply to post by southern_Guardian


YOUR ASSERTION:
"Obama has provided his "long form" to the appropriate authorities, so he has when he became a US senator, and numerous times when going overseas and obviously when he decided to run for president. Who are you to demand the president elect bend on his knees to a disgruntled minority of voters who will always have some issue? Really now! "

is not documented in the source you reference.

There is no record that he supplied his "long form" to anyone. After becoming a US Senator he travelled on a diplomatic passport. When he travelled to Pakistan, India and Kenya while in college, it is assumedhe travelled on his Indonesian passport.

reply to post by skeptic1


So do you not think he was properly verified by the DNC? What would they have to gain by electing someone who would cause such a mess? All of the information he has released seems like all that is required from him, and I see no forgery or conspiracy behind it.

[edit on 17-11-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


I have no idea.

What bothers me the most is the fact that instead of just showing ONE piece of paper that would shut everyone up, he has hemmed and hawed and hired lawyers to fight the court cases. He knows these questions are out there, and in the spirit of "hope, change, and unity", why not just show the piece of paper?

That is what bothers me....his seeming unwillingness to show one piece of paper that would shut this down once and for all. Do that instead of hiring lawyers and spending oodles of money to fight court cases that are asking ONLY for access to view the vault copy BC.

None of this bothers me enough to file a court case or not support my President-elect and his office....but, it does slightly diminish my respect for the MAN.

JMO....

Folks this guy has been though perhaps the most extensive background check that most of us will ever have.You mean to tell me that some of you still believe hes not a US born citizen?.
He won get over it

reply to post by mrwupy


Actually he produced a CertificaTION of Live Birth, not a CertificaTE of Live Birth. The latter shows the name of the Doctor and Hospital. The latter is the one referred to when people say they want to see the "Birth Certificate".

You are in good company. Many people don't read the title at the top of the image provided by FactCheck.com. I missed it at first myself.

Originally posted by skeptic1
reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

 

I have no idea.

What bothers me the most is the fact that instead of just showing ONE piece of paper that would shut everyone up, he has hemmed and hawed and hired lawyers to fight the court cases. He knows these questions are out there, and in the spirit of "hope, change, and unity", why not just show the piece of paper?

That is what bothers me....his seeming unwillingness to show one piece of paper that would shut this down once and for all. Do that instead of hiring lawyers and spending oodles of money to fight court cases that are asking ONLY for access to view the vault copy BC.

None of this bothers me enough to file a court case or not support my President-elect and his office....but, it does slightly diminish my respect for the MAN.

JMO....

What bothers me is that he HAS shown that ONE piece of paper. To the satisfaction of EVERYONE, but the few who just won't let it go...but you know what, those people will never let it go...even if a video surfaced of obama's birth with the governer of Hawaii himself delivering baby Obama...those select few will NEVER let it go.

Just my 2-cents

reply to post by maybereal11


Your allegations against the McCain campaign are misdirected. McCain refused to do the things you allege. However the bloggers were not so restrained.

What do you think about the MSM lack of vetting and self-admitted fawning over Obama?

Originally posted by themamayada

Originally posted by Avenginggecko

There is no paperwork at any embassy that Obama had ever declared for Indonesia and renounced the U.S.

We don't know that for sure. No one has ever looked hard enough. Not seeing something does not mean it does not exist.

I suppose Berg should have been the one looking hard enough. He didn't because it is NOT TRUE!

reply to post by Tricky63


extensive background check.... When... Where?????

He had most of his records sealed. The media treated him with kid gloves. The man survived things that would have demolished any other candidate running for President.

Transparency is the word of the day.

Originally posted by Frank Lee
reply to post by maybereal11

 

Your allegations against the McCain campaign are misdirected. McCain refused to do the things you allege. However the bloggers were not so restrained.

What do you think about the MSM lack of vetting and self-admitted fawning over Obama?

McCain, Palin, and their entire campaign staff repeatedly attempted to drive home the Terrorist/Socialist/Muslim message. The internet makes revising history more difficult, though I have no doubt many will try.
I don't have the energy to list qoutes by the campaign...but suffice to say "questionable associations with terrorists", "Khalidi" Ayers" and "paling around with terrorists (wink) (wink)".

As to your second question...MSM DID Vet Obama ad naseum...rev wright, clinging to guns etc. etc. AND they fawned over him at the same time....as did/do many people. That is what happens when you have someone genuinely intelligent with apparent integrity running for POTUS. The contrast to our current POTUS was so shocking that the MSM couldn't help but be impressed.

Originally posted by jam321
Transparency is the word of the day.

I think the word of the day is actually CHANGE. It didn't matter what Obama had sealed. People wanted change...and that is just something that the American people did not believe that McCain could deliver.

By now, any and all documents he wil show the world, have been forged!
And they will be perfect forgeries, thats why its taking him so long to show them!!

reply to post by skeptic1


Maybe Obama doesn’t think he should be forced to release more of his personal documents to people when he has already produced the valid proof he needs?

Maybe he doesn’t want to play into the politics of people that have implied he is a Muslim, commie, terrorist?

I can actually think of many reasons why he is stubborn on this issue and is holding his ground. This is where some of us disagree.

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to post by skeptic1

 

Maybe Obama doesn’t think he should be forced to release more of his personal documents to people when he has already produced the valid proof he needs?

Maybe he doesn’t want to play into the politics of people that have implied he is a Muslim, commie, terrorist?

I can actually think of many reasons why he is stubborn on this issue and is holding his ground. This is where some of us disagree.

Actually he's produced nothing,,,,, and the "people" he doesn't want to play to is the media that has fawned over him from the start of the election circus,,,, all he has to do is release the ACTUAL birth certificate,,,,

Easy enough,,,,, unless of course,,,,, but nah, that ain't possible,,,, he wouldn't LIE would he?

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


And, that's fine. We are all entitled to our own opinions.

Do I think he is a commie/marxist/Muslim/terrorist? Hell, no. That doesn't even fall into the issue for me.

When I came to work for the government, I had to have my long form BC and provide it to 3 different groups of people. I never questioned it, never had a problem with it. They wanted to see it, still want and need to see it every year to update my security clearance. No problem for me. The DMV needs to see it for me to renew my license, no problem.

Maybe that's why I have an odd feeling about Obama. One would think, if this has gone all the way to the Supreme Court, that he would just go ahead and show the document to shut everyone up.

My problem lies not in the question of whether he was born here or not. My problem lies in the fact that instead of doing the easiest thing, the simplest thing, the reasonable thing, the logical thing, he is resisting and hiring lawyers to fight cases where all people want is verification that he was born on US soil and to confirm that with his vault copy BC. It makes me question him in a way....

Maybe my problem is that, if it were me, I'd just show the freaking piece of paper. I can't understand why he spends tons of money and hires a team of lawyers to keep from having to show a piece of paper.

Originally posted by gordo

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to post by skeptic1

 

Maybe Obama doesn’t think he should be forced to release more of his personal documents to people when he has already produced the valid proof he needs?

Maybe he doesn’t want to play into the politics of people that have implied he is a Muslim, commie, terrorist?

I can actually think of many reasons why he is stubborn on this issue and is holding his ground. This is where some of us disagree.

Actually he's produced nothing,,,,, and the "people" he doesn't want to play to is the media that has fawned over him from the start of the election circus,,,, all he has to do is release the ACTUAL birth certificate,,,,

Easy enough,,,,, unless of course,,,,, but nah, that ain't possible,,,, he wouldn't LIE would he?

What media are you referring to? I have seen/read virtually nothing about this continuing to be an issue. It seems to me that the only place this IS continuing to be an issue is with you "select" few here on ATS. Again, I ask you, WHAT media outlet is demanding the birth certificate?

reply to post by nydsdan


Your blatent aversion to research is overwhelming. Obama provided a CertificaTION of Live Birth, not a CertificaTE of Live Birth which shows Dr. and hospital name.

IAW the Director of Records in Hawaii, "A Certification of Live birth is nothing more than stating, not proving you were born, it does not prove your citizenship status or anything else."

www.newswithviews.com...

Why do you all ignore that the original birth

certificate has been verified by the

Hawaiian State Department?

State declares Obama birth certificate genuine

State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the US.

Earlier Friday, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits.

What else do you want? They have verified that they have his ORIGINAL birth certificate, and that it is valid.

So you have been shown his COLB, which wasn't good enough, but was indepedantly verified. The state department of Hawaii has verified his original birth certificate, that's not enough.

Again, what is enough for you people?

Can we close these threads and put the [Disinfo] tags on them yet?

[edit on 17-11-2008 by Irish M1ck]