Nothing in chemtrails... yeahhh riiiiight...Photos

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


Again... if they were spraying massive amounts of chemicals, it wouldn't be found just in the water, it would be found in nearly ALL water and ALL soil samples. But it's not. Why not?

You can't ignore facts because they don't suit your argument. Not even flouride is found in all water samples.

Again, I work in an industry that does a lot of water sampling.. from wells, rainwater, lakes, streams, you name it. Same with soil samples. Yet they don't find deadly chemicals, and they don't find anything they can't explain.

So... where is the chemicals going? You can't make a claim such as "they are dumping chemicals on us," with no proof to back it up. According to these picture and claims by those who support this theory, this is a massive undertaking. It leaves CLOUDS of haze over cities and towns. It's done all the time, day and night, and very often. It's thorough. Therefore, it would be found. It would have to be. You can't spray chemicals over hundreds or thousands of square miles, and not have it show up in testing. This makes no sense.

It's as if people are suggesting it gets sprayed, and then sucked in by humans and animals before it has a chance to hit the ground.



[edit on 14-11-2008 by fleabit]

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow


5: Claims of seeing these trails in the 70s as said by a few here, can you please provide photos of chemtrails in the sky from that era, because I cannot find any, nor did I ever see them until 5 years or so ago. Never did I or anyone I know see them in the 70s or 80s.

There's a few simple explanations why you can't find photos of "chem"trails easily from earlier generations:

1) There were a lot less cameras back then and a lot less photos being taken. Today, everyone has a cell phone and almost always has a camera in it.

2) Back then, there were no "chemtrail" conspiracy theories, everyone accepted the fact that they are just contrails, and didn't bother to take photos of them because they saw them every day.



But, there are plenty of old photos showing contrails if you look hard enough.

Rustler Peak, 1984:


1981:



1970, photo of a stop sign showing "chemtrails" in background:


1967 - Plate 113 from A Colour Guide to Clouds, Richard Scorer and Harry Wexler. Shows over 30 contrails, some criss-crossing:


1954, A photo by Ansel Adams entitled “Rails and Jet Trails”:


1944, Contrails formed over Germany by the 91st Bomb Group on a mission to Zeitz, Germany on 30 November 1944:


1940, Europe, Bomber with fighter escorts:

Originally posted by arizonascott
reply to post by Meteorologist

 

We have tons of Chem/Contrails in Arizona in the middle of a 112 degree day that stays up there for hours and hours. That air up there must be really cold, to bad we can't enjoy it down below. But hey, thats the crazy way the troposphere-stratosphere-atmosphere works I guess.

Nothing crazy about it at all. Generally, the higher you get the colder the air is. The most basic reason is that the longwave infrared radiation being emitted by the earth is less potent at higher altitudes. We don't just get our heat from the sun, we get it from the earth too. The sun emits solar radiation (shortwave) which gets absorbed by the earth, and later reemitted as infrared radiation (longwave). This is one reason why on cloudy afternoons it actually tends to be warmer, because the clouds hold some of the infrared radiation closer to the ground instead of letting it escape back to space.

Of course there are many other facts that influence the air temperature outside when it comes to altitude/elevation.

Such as how when warm air rises, it expands, and then cools. Likewise, when air sinks, it compresses, and then warms. Air sinking or rising can be dependent on a number of factors, such as if the atmospheric pressure in that area is high or low. The higher the pressure, the air won't rise and cool. This is why high pressure areas (anti-cyclones) on weather maps are a big red L, because generally they mean warm weather/air.

When it comes to anti-cyclones (H) and cyclones (L) you also have to figure in if the winds are diverging or converging, which also affects if the air parcels rise or sink.











[edit on 14-11-2008 by Meteorologist]

reply to post by Meteorologist


Interesting site all these pics come from:

contrailscience.com...


There seems to be an ongoing chemtrail debate on that actual site btw, so please everyone go read what's there, it is another resource for us to look at.

wZn

Why is it some posters refer to the military? Don't you realise that a huge proportion of posters on here have been in the military? The military have so much control over us - cover ups blah blah - not possible! Just absolutely not possible. Every person from the lowest private to an Admiral needs every link in the chain to perform their duties. Each link is a normal person like you and I yet no military person has come out and said that any of this is true.

People are people, whether ex-military or not - they're still human. Do you think a chemtrail conspiracy could exist with all these people out there - people with families? It cannot exist. It would have been outed well before now - too many links in the chain to keep quiet.
Major conspiracies rely on a few people - (JFK/(911) one of this magnitude could not possibly exist because of the sheer amount of people involved.

I'm biased. I was cleared to Top Secret Atomic UK/US. Chemtrails are boll**ks. End of.

edit for spelling

[edit on 14-11-2008 by vonspurter]

reply to post by arizonascott


Sorry I didn't realise I had to stop replying just because you said so.

What was I thinking?!

It's funny really, I've only focused on one small part of this whole chemtrail fiasco and found gaping holes in it and get bagged out because of it. What none of you believers realise what I'm doing here, this is how you find the TRUTH amongst all the LIES.

A perfect example is that graph, obviously whoever posted it on rense didn't bother to cross reference the data and now looks the fool.

Same with the site the OP linked to, there are pictures there that have been proven to be innocent yet continue to be used to some how blindly strengthen your cause.
When in reality it weakens the cause because it shows you can't tell the difference between FACT and FICTION.






[edit on 14-11-2008 by Chadwickus]

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
WOW! Great discussion and debate going on

Few things

1: The governments (and you should all know they are just puppets for the illuminati NWO crims) have admitted to not only spraying enemies at war via AIR, but their own populations for gods sake! So if you are believing this is not happening now, what makes you think they won't do it again?

wZn

It's all part of their grand plan. I'm amazed so many people here believe this is NOT happening. I read an article regarding global warming and its ability to 'spread the deadly dozen' diseases. It seems this would be a great way to 'explain' why all of a sudden NYC is hit with sleeping sickness or yellow fever. "Oh, it wasn't the chemtrails, remember, it's just global warming, you read that article right?"
www.voanews.com...

Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by Jezus

 

I'm here to learn. No-one is going to learn anything if people just make stuff up and pass it off as fact. Not a thing. That is my problem. ATS is getting more and more clogged up with half-assed nonsensical conspiracy theories. There was a time when that rarely happened - when people would actually investigate and post evidence. Now, apparently, we can just make stuff up and ignore evidence. Brilliant.

I'm hostile towards ignorance.

Let me ask you a question.

If I started a thread about how invisible monkey are slowly killing us all...

Would you participate as actively, aggressively, and passionately as in this one?

Originally posted by blujay
It seems this would be a great way to 'explain' why all of a sudden NYC is hit with sleeping sickness or yellow fever. "Oh, it wasn't the chemtrails, remember, it's just global warming, you read that article right?"
www.voanews.com...

Because NYC or any other major city has never been hit with a pandemic before, right?

Anyone remember the black death in Europe? Back then, they thought that cats had evil spirits in them and was making everyone sick with the black death, so they went through Europe killing all the cats. Comes to find out, that just made things worse, because it was rats that were carrying the black death. And what do cats do to rats? Hmm. Wasn't very wise to kill all the cats huh.

I wonder if they had chemtrails and evil government nwo spraying back then in Europe.




[edit on 14-11-2008 by Meteorologist]

the answer is quite simple. the chem trails are obviously done by reptilians. i mean honestly this is ridiculous. who the hell is ignorant enough not to see all the debunked threads. stupidity is alive and well.

reply to post by vonspurter


I think when people refer to Government - they are referring to Black Op contractor agencies that are in charge of these various experiments, research and dirty jobs.

Skunk Works
Blackwater
HAARP
along with the likely countless others that we don't have a clue about.

You don't think all that money for the DoD, Homeland Security, Iraq and the missing trillions from the Pentagon just poof into thin air do you?

Research for death and war, thats all it is.

[edit on 14-11-2008 by arizonascott]

reply to post by Jezus


Funny stuff! Funny stuff

Personally, I do not care if they are chemicals or not. I just do not want planes, jets or what have you, excreting what ever substance it is that are making those trails over my house. I do not care if it was ground coffee that was harmless to us humans, just stop it!

I have these trails frequently over my house. I have finally seen one of the plane making it too. Wish I had a telescope to see the company's name.

[edit on 14-11-2008 by Unlimitedpossibilities]

Originally posted by arizonascott
reply to post by vonspurter

 

I think when people refer to Government - they are referring to Black Op contractor agencies that are in charge of these various experiments, research and dirty jobs.

Skunk Works
Blackwater
HAARP
along with the likely countless others that we don't have a clue about.

You don't think all that money for the DoD, Homeland Security, Iraq and the missing trillions from the Pentagon just poof into thin air do you?

Research for death and war, thats all it is.

[edit on 14-11-2008 by arizonascott]

Fair enough - if it exists I wasn't party to it - and from the people I know - could never exist. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist - who am I? Small link in the chain. However, logic, evidence and clarity of thought dictates chemtrails are a paranoid delusion.

Originally posted by Unlimitedpossibilities
Personally, I do not care if they are chemicals or not. I just do not want planes, jets or what have you, excreting what ever substance it is that are making those trails over my house.

Those trails are ice crystals/condensation, the same thing that naturally occuring clouds are made out of.

Originally posted by Meteorologist

Originally posted by Unlimitedpossibilities
Personally, I do not care if they are chemicals or not. I just do not want planes, jets or what have you, excreting what ever substance it is that are making those trails over my house.

Those trails are ice crystals/condensation, the same thing that naturally occuring clouds are made out of.

And they have the same linear dissipation effect like the trails in those pictures then?

I do not want anything in my air that I breath that is unnatural.

reply to post by vonspurter


Yet experience will tell you exactly the opposite. Chemtrails happen, and have been happening for possibly a decade now. I know it, probably millions know it by now. Soon you will know it too or, if you know it already, be fooling nobody.

reply to post by Meteorologist


I'm going to have to treat these photos the same way I would those of UFO's. No date..no cooberating angles..and frankly doctoring old photos is not that hard. I'm not convinced.

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


ContrailScience has a nameless blogger unless I missed it somewhere. He was accused by one poster of deleting posts. I would have a hard time imagining that someone through the goodness of their heart would want to spend so much time and effort as to build a web site in order to kill the chemtrail theories. I'd like to research the guy.

reply to post by Zepherian


There are far better ways to accomplish what you perceive to be happening. Far, far better ways. Chemtrails are inefficient to say the least. Give those who you perceive to be in power some credence and ingenuity.