Nothing in chemtrails... yeahhh riiiiight...Photos

reply to post by anotherdad


If you are looking for logic, this is not the conspiracy theory for you. Apparently, the government is going out of its way to show everyone what it's doing, but doesn't want anyone to know. The government is trying to dumb everyone down by making them breathe barium. Why they are doing that is still unanswered.

Basically it's like the plot of a very boring, unimaginative, illogical farce of a film.

If it was in the water and people died it would be tested, there would be civil unrest.
Also, maybe it helps Haarp or ELF capacity with the aluminum.

reply to post by Clearskies


And they can't test the air? The air's quality is tested all over the country every single day. Every single day.

It's completely illogical to think the government is doing this. It's ridiculous.

My bad

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reply to post by Clearskies


If they spread it through the air it would eventually show up in the water. Or am i crazy?

reply to post by dave420


Oh, yea, I trust the EPA!
Remember 911?
A couple of years ago, it was so bad, here that you could go up on the mountain and see MILES and miles of smog laying over. The particulates were so thick.
I called EPA atlanta. They told me their tests were showing NOTHING. They said the two factories in our county were fine.

Then you go to the EPA website and look at how few places are orange or red, while you KNOW the smog is all over.
Check out the live webcams of the mountains, the national parks, etc,...
and look at the view, then go to EPA web and see how few alerts.

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reply to post by anotherdad


Yes, it would. Heavy metals fall down eventually.
Sometimes when you point a HIGH powered flashlight up at night it will show the metals as sparkly. I know, because I've seen it where I live!

Why are they spraying over desolate areas, or off the coast? What would the point be?

I can even begin to fathom ANY plan, serious or conspiracy-ridden, that would support our own government spraying the sky with chemicals that cause injury and plagues. Those involved are knowingly spraying their own relatives, friends, etc? What would be the point?

I have never bought into the chemtrail theories. There are more organizations than you know that track air quality. More now, than ever. I work for an enviromental firm. The amount of diligence that now must be paid with air and water quality is tremendous. Massive fines and penalties ensue if people ignore these requirements. Therefore, many companies are constantly having their water and air quality tested. This would end up in the water. It would be visible. It never is. I SEE the test results all the time. And this is done with equipment that can detected any chemicals, even the slighted traces. They can detected 1 in 10 billion ppm, and that sort of thing. This would show up. This would raise flags. It never does.

No enviromental agency detects these. No commercial business detects these. They do not exist imo. Lines in the sky do not automatically mean that we are being poisened by our own government, for reasons unknown.

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reply to post by anotherdad


They DO spray at night. You can see it in the night sky. It's milky, layered. I've seen the planes in action as the sun sets. Dripping, criss-crossing, blatant. In the day, the cloud "formations" are strange shapes, angular. The sky is no longer the azure blue I enjoyed as a child. Blue sky now? Pale blue. In TV shows, movies, commercials, the skies are rarely blue. Commercials are laden with chemtrails. Start noticing. So the younger generations just think those stripes in the sky are nothing out of the ordinary; that this terrifying and disgusting condition is the order of the day. "It's just hazy today". Uh-huh. Sigh.

reply to post by Clearskies


OK but its not showing in the water, and as far as i could tell doing that with my flashlight showed either dust or moisture. But i'll give it a try. It's November so it would be hard to distinguish.

Still haven't had the question answered though...Why?

reply to post by Chadwickus


Did you read the test analysis, My guess is it was down in central Phoenix.

Did you look at the toxic levels, you asked to verify levels above the norm in an enviroment where they tested, and I gave it to you.

Of course it is biast, it represents real results in favor of real Chemtrail theory and study. You asked for results, I gave it to you. Now you get specific about wanting exact test location and crap just because the webpage is based on Chemtrails.

Are you really looking for answers or just trying to force your point of view.

Think about it, if you spend time on here is it because you believe in particular conspiracies or do you come here just to debunk everything and throw more dead ends in front of people looking for real answers.

Cause I have to tell you, if you never think outside the box or read alternative news that is offered you can never really get anywhere.

You are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem. I would ask you which one you were, but I get the idea I already know.

reply to post by Meteorologist


Really, the only rebuttal's you have seem to be a difference of semantics (with a few exceptions) and I'm not going to even waste my time 'getting into it' with you.

No offense to some but I think others have wasted plenty of time on you already.

Basically what I'm saying is that something NOT normal is going on. I don't pretend to know what is going on and for what reasons.

Saying they are doing it in the daytime as a way of saying that automatically proves there's nothing mysterious about what's going on really doesn't make a good argument. They took our rights away with the PATRIOT Act in broad daylight. Police officers beat people, unprovoked, in broad daylight. They rely on people standing idly by to get things accomplished.

What about, as Ferengi pointed, out, the fact that Germany has admitted to this phenomena?

What about this stuff to?

An evergreen super tanker advertisement:




The Troposheric Aerosol Program website: asp.bnl.gov

Originally posted by Clearskies
If it was in the water and people died it would be tested, there would be civil unrest.
Also, maybe it helps Haarp or ELF capacity with the aluminum.

But with this supposed chemtrail spraying, we aren't talking people dying quickly, just shaving years off their lives or giving them cancer, right? Why couldn't the same stuff in the chemtrails be put in water? I mean, for them to spray it in the air it must be a liquid after all. Water is a liquid too.






For HAARP, that's just laughable. These supposed chemtrails have been around for generations, HAARP has only been around since 1993.

Originally posted by Clearskies
reply to post by anotherdad

 

Yes, it would. Heavy metals fall down eventually.
Sometimes when you point a HIGH powered flashlight up at night it will show the metals as sparkly. I know, because I've seen it where I live!

First of all heavy metals in the air would be microscopic and would not be sparkly since they would not be visible to the naked eye, and furthermore we call sparkly things in the air at night bugs (sometimes pollen).

Originally posted by arizonascott

Did you just say that people who believe in or study chemtrails are suffering from mental disorders? Wow, you're something else

So when a small group of people believe in something others don't then that makes it a mental disorder.

I'm going to stop replying to you now, you have severe reading comprehension problems and this is about the third time you have stated that I said something I did not.

reply to post by arizonascott


Re-read my post I added more:

Originally posted by Chadwickus

 

Your source was a page on chemtrails, biased much?

Where was the exact location of the test?

You do know as well that the level of barium in your graph is well and truly above lethal dosages??

NIOSH considers exposure to barium chloride levels of 50 mg/m3 and higher as immediately dangerous to life or health.

www.atsdr.cdc.gov...

to calculate mg/m3:

To convert from mg/m3 to ppm, the equation is as follows:
Concentration (ppm) = 24.45 x concentration (mg/m3) ÷ molecular weight
The same equations may be used to convert micrograms per cubic meter (ug/m3) to parts per billion (ppb) and vice versa:
Concentration (ug/m3) = 0.0409 x concentration (ppb) x molecular weight
Or, concentration (ppb) = 24.45 x concentration (ug/m3) ÷ molecular weight

Source

So, The molecular weight of barium is 3.51. The fatal dose of barium is 50mg/m3, convert to the units of ppm by multiplying 24.45 x 50 mg/m3 ÷ 3.15 = 348.20ppm.


Something is VERY wrong with those graphs!



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reply to post by dave420


It is also illogical to think that the Government would be running dozens of terror excersises based on hijackers hijacking planes on 9/11 during an actual terrorist act but they did and it happened.

And we all remember how fast Cheney acted to stop those incoming planes while in control of NORAD.

And let's not forget the brave firemen and police who are still dying by the hundreds because of the bogus New York EPA report and announcement that the air quality was fine right after the buildings collapsed.

Yeah, because the Government has been so honest and straight forward about everything. The Government is as transparent as King Bush's clothes.

So what's not to believe? No such thing chemtrails - everything is fine just breath deep and move along.

reply to post by Chadwickus


Your telling me!

But go ahead - recalculate

Originally posted by nunya13

Basically what I'm saying is that something NOT normal is going on. I don't pretend to know what is going on and for what reasons.

What "Not Normal" (abnormal) is going on? Jets leaving contrails behind them is perfectly normal and falls in line with basic science that is taught in most middle schools.

It's that simple.

Originally posted by nunya13


What about, as Ferengi pointed, out, the fact that Germany has admitted to this phenomena?

Somebody already debunked that. Germany never admitted that, it was a blog post not a credible source. I can go right now and create a blog post saying I'm the director of the CIA, that doesn't mean it's true.

Originally posted by nunya13
What about this stuff to?

An evergreen super tanker advertisement:

And tell me, in any of those 4 photos of the supertanking spraying chemicals, does it remotely resemble anything like a "chemtrail"?

Originally posted by nunya13
The Troposheric Aerosol Program website: asp.bnl.gov

So is it Aerosol or Barium?

So if i have it right, they have been spraying this in the air for years to shorten our lives and control population? Then why is life expectancy increasing?

reply to post by arizonascott


I did, twice.

The calculations don't lie, the lethal dose from the CDC doesn't lie.

Must be that graph that is lying.