Treated like a dog,used as a punchbag:The life and death of a baby boy called 'Smiley'

reply to post by lombozo


Right there with you..there is a place for the death penalty..we keep these scum fed and housed with our taxes and they have a good life!!

I would give these scum 2 options..

15 years you will be used to test drugs..and if there is anything is left after 15 years you will be released and very closely monitored....whatever you have been experimented with and the side effects..you will not be treated

Option 2 ..you forfeit your life!!..

What is so staggering is the fact something like this occured before with Victoria Clombie..in the same council ...and they had put measures in place to ensure this would never happen again,,

I think its about time the legal system came into the real world...we cannot risk these people doing these things again once they have been released ..

I think for child abusers/child murderers
should have the two above options given to them!!

These people are SCUM!!

But they have "Human Rights"..

They should be taken out and "put down" Lethal injection..its humane and once thats done....we have just removed the most vile ,cancerous peice of excrement from society!!

reply to post by jakyll
The courts still keep awarding the child to the mother 80% of the time in custody procedings during divorce.

So many children now not having the type of life a child should.





[edit on 12-11-2008 by ofhumandescent]

I have just read everything I can about this poor little baby and right now I am so sad and can not stop thinking about it.

I can not understand why the "mother" (using that term loosely) was totally devoid of maternal instinct to protect that precious life.

It is unfortunate that there are subhumans who walk amongst us and inflict pain on their flesh and blood. I call them subhumans because I do not know what they are, they are NOT animals because animals try to protect their young.

If I could fly to the UK now and torture those three people I would feel no guilt. I would gladly avenge that little baby

And God made man in his image...what a laugh. God (whoever/whatever) he is must be a real piece of work.


take care all
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Originally posted by wayno
from the news article:

Police twice asked for cross-agency meetings but, in the week before Baby P's death, Haringey's lawyers said there was not enough information to begin care proceedings.

I don't doubt that workers in the field are bogged down with heavy case loads and all, but the bureaucracy is at fault, and especially the lawyers, for allowing this abomination to happen.
Instead of erring on the side of caution - intervening when signs first appeared everyone is hampered by fears of lawsuits.
Its just sick!
I hated reading this article, but people need to know its happening.
I worked in social services for a long time, but found that it was just too fraught with examples of bureaucratic nonsense. The only people who survive in the field are those who can turn their emotions off and get hardened. The whole thing ends up ineffective.
Meanwhile children die.
I can't begin to express my sorrow, and anger.

[edit on 12-11-2008 by wayno]

Bureaucracy would have been a factor here, as it is everywhere else. However, the idea that there wasn't enough evidence is actually down to the team actually involved in the home visits. Some very elementary checks were amiss here, immediate things that only take seconds to ascertain. Some of the injuries were very visible and apparent but somehow missed - and these weren't 'oh, he must have walked into a door' type injuries either - and no amount of bureaucracy can be blamed for that. If these had have been taken into account properly, the lawyers would have had the evidence they need.

Originally posted by citizen smith
Unfortunately I can imagine both Brown and Cameron seeking to capitalise on this awful event for a wider political purpose

The cry of "If only there had been a unified NHS/DSS/RSPCA/DNA & criminal database this never would have happened" will go up, knee-jerk legislation made, and the next step toward the ID card database plan taken

I thought the same this morning. There will undoubtedly be outrage over this crime - as there should be - but that emotion and that desire to do something or get justice/vengeance is always misdirected or is exploited.

As awful as it is, the government must love child abuse stories as, along with terrorism, it seems to be one of the few things the population at large actually cares about, or at least cares about for a week or two before some celebrity boobjob or celebrity drug story wipes resets their mind again.

Thanks everyone for your replies.

The poor soul was on the children's protection register,there had been 60 visits in 8 months,countless visits to the hospital,the competent among the police and doctors sent warnings to the social services,yet nothing was done.


And,Sharon Shoesmith Director of Children's Services at Haringey Council has the nerve to say this;

She said: "The agencies are not responsible for his death.I certainly won't be resigning."

www.telegraph.co.uk...


If they are not to blame i wonder why they with held evidence.

...hampered the investigation into the death of Baby P by not handing over all their information to murder squad detectives.
It was only when the trial got to court and the judge requested that they provide all their evidence that police officers were able to see everything they had.

In the same article the mother boasts she'll be home by Christmas,and going off the state of the courts in this country,she probably will.
www.timesonline.co.uk...

Solomons

Hate begets hate...its is truly sickening,but wishing even more evil things against the perpetrators makes you no better.Let them have a fair trial in Britain and the courts will give them what they deserve,years in prison,hopefully until the end of their days.

Our courts are a joke.
You can spend more time in prison for not paying your tv license than you can for downloading or distributing violent child porn.A life sentence is now only 15 years! The rule here is,half whatever sentence a person gets because thats all they'll serve.




stewartw2

I would be cautious about calling for 'social services' to be given increased powers each time a gruesome story like this surfaces. The chances are that any extra powers handed to social services to meddle will be misused anyway-and end up victimising innocent families.

Its a risk worth taking if it stops children being tortured and killed.



[edit on 12-11-2008 by jakyll]

It is people, if you can even call them that, like these who torture and abuse innocent defenseless children that make me hope and pray that the Christians are right and there is a hell waiting for them. I couldn't even finish reading the article.. Half-way through and was tearing up too much to be able to read. I just cannot understand how anyone could look at a baby and think it's ok to hurt them like that. And the mother let it happen? They both should be shot.

What I find disgusting is that Haringey Social Services were found to have basically been in breach of duty at the close of the Victoria Climbie inquiry in 2003...seems to have been a total waste of time, resources and money as 5 years later yet another child slips though the net due to the same careless reasons

care professionals? my arse! strip them of their jobs and all the pension and perks that went with it, and blacklist them from ever holding a position of public responsibility and duty!

To see those small clothes and the diagram of the injuries this poor baby endured in his short life. Appalling , disgusting and heartbreaking. To have smeared him with chocolate and diaper cream to cover up his injuries before the social worker came... These ppl thought this through!!! How manipulative and horrid. For his bruises to not be noticed during his examination.. How well was he checked out? I think everyone involved in this case dropped the ball.. I can only hope his soul is at peace and that karma gets his parents if the law doesnt.

Originally posted by lombozo
What in the heck might I say?
A baby being murdered. Nothing more aggregious in my opinion. NOTHING. As most of you know I am a proponent of the death penalty. The murderous vermin who killed this innocent child deserve a date with the needle in my opinion. No excuses, no leniency. I don't apologize for my strong beliefs. Did you see the pictures? Did you read the story? NO EXCUSES. NONE. An innocent baby beaten to death by adults. I can say no more.
I pray that this child sits in heaven in pure peace.

[edit on 12-11-2008 by lombozo]

Hi there,

Death penalty is too nice for this kind of crime.

In the laboratories to experiment new pharmaceutical products or weapons on them, that is where they belong. It will help science and less innocent animals will suffer.

I hope there's a God to take good care of him.


Cheers,
Europa

I've not bothered to read the previous posts, except the first one. I can't take the thought of what happened to this poor little boy anymore! I went to work today on the train and I sat facing someone reading a newspaper. On the front page was this horrific story. I couldn't believe was I was seeing, so when I got a hold of a copy I started to read and felt very ill and angry, and I mean angry! I have 2 daughters, one is 4 and the other is the same age as 'Baby P' I feel so sad for what this little toddler went through his short life and I am struggling to hold back the tears as I type this. Under no circumstances must these 3 animals (mother, boyfriend and lodger) should be shown any mercy by the justice system. Personally I'd hang them in public after.... no! that is too quick. I'm sure I'd come up with something but I know that won't change a thing for 'Baby P' For all those out there who read these posts and have some kind of sympathy for the evil abusers well, you obviously don't have kids, for if you did you would be next in line behind me hunting down these sick bas***ds.

I can't seem to get this one out of my head but I'm going to have to. The people in Social Services should hang there heads in shame as this is the second time something unforgivable has happened in their area and I hope they can't sleep at night because I know I'm going to have a hard time doing so, although I get to cuddle my little girls in the morning and know how lucky I am but hurting inside knowing that the poor little boy probably never knew what that feeling was like.

God bless 'Baby P' sleep in peace and play with Angels

This ranks up there with one of the most horrible things I have ever read. Horrible, just horrible. I wish the dad would have kept him. He saw the shaved head and the ripped out fingernail.

How heartbreaking.

This really just upsets me beyond belief. I am not sure what kind of father the natural father was but most surely he would have been better than the scum that lived with the child. To read that the baby’s final weekend was with his natural father and when returning him to the scum the baby started screaming “Daddy, daddy, daddy” just rips a person apart. The child did not have a clear way to beg for help and could only do what he could do.

I would love to see the scum handed over to normal society and have their punishment aired to everyone so that all can see what normal people think of such a crime. I feel so sorry for the baby, really it tears me apart. I remember my own son at that age and it hurts to think of seeing that kind of pain or sadness in his eyes. These two scum bags should be slowly tortured for the rest of their life. Death is to quick and simple for them, and well jail would be like vacation. The only thing they deserve if a life of extreme violence and pain.

At least the baby cannot feel any more pain. That is the only thing that makes this story even remotely better. I am so sorry that he had to endure such treatment from the scum that lived with him. I hope that he enjoyed at least some amount of love in his life.

Raist

One of the most disgusting stories I have read. I hope all the people involved who could help but didn't are sent to jail never to see the light of day again. The sadists that perpetrated this crime should face sterilization and solitary confinement for the rest of their lives if not the death penalty. In fact no punishment would do justice to this unconscionable crime.

I agree, a baby boy can lose his life with social workers aware of his plight yet do nothing. This is because people in health care are so afraid of allegations they would rather walk away. A baby boy is dead , the social workers knew he was at risk but believed the mother's stories with regards to his missing finger, his bruises, his bleeding ears and finally his broken spine. The social workers do not lose their jobs but Russell Brand who jokes about shagging Andrew Sachs grandaughter (which she amitted happened) loses his. I am not a fan of Russell Brand but surely the Uk values a childs life more?

What kind of person/mother would do this to their own baby, and then let a guy beat the baby also. This is horrific, I dont know, That lady should be sent to Singapore and get 10lashes before she dies. What have we done to society that we produce people like this. Kids in micorwaves, being abandoned when their like 17yrs in nebraska, kids kept in solitare there whole life. Why have a kid if you dont want it. Please that is why abortions are still legal. I would rather see someone get an abortion then beat the poor infant when it is born!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!See even normal people when they have control over something they take advantage of it.

That poor child!
He is at rest, now, before his time.
I have a three year old and if anyone even talked to him badly, I'd get angry!
How could a mother and (can I call him a) man be so evil?

Watch your neighbors and relatives for this kind of hidden abuse!
Not being an alarmist, but, people who abuse their children hide it. I knew a woman who locked her children up ALL day without a bathroom, while she watched soap operas and finally they told someone about it.

wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can any human being do such a thing to a child?


Every time I hear one of these stories it just gets my blood boiling.

Whether you believe in a God or not children are gifts. which should be cherished!

reply to post by Raist


At least he cannot feel any more pain.... I know what you are saying but this child had more of a right to live than the disgusting vermin that were his "parents". This baby boy should have been protected. At all costs!