Why do I have to register for the Selective Service System?!?!

Originally posted by Atlantican
Isn't it sexist/discriminatory that only men are required to register?

They are plainly saying that women don't meet their needs. Or is it that the past few Presidents & the future president had/has only daughters?

Perceiving how horrible war is, why on EARTH would you want to send your women? Isnt it bad enough Men have to? Are their no moral values left in this world?

reply to post by prototism


It is not a way for them to keep track of the able bodied men (and women) of this country. I'am Legal blind and I had to sign it even though I'am disqualified from all combat and plus i will not kill another human period even if its my life/my family or his. I want kill anyone for anything two wrongs dont make a right.

[edit on 13-11-2008 by kvaniu]

[edit on 13-11-2008 by kvaniu]

reply to post by Darthorious


Actually someone I know went MIA several times to sell drugs when it came time to show up for boot camp. They enlisted and then changed their minds. They dealt and did drugs. When the MP finally caught up with them.....they got sent to Iraq.

reply to post by DocMoreau


Women are exempt...according to the second form that I didn't scan.

Originally posted by Harman
I'm a potential draftee myself. So when world War 3 happens i'll be canonfodder if they catch me. Sucks but it are the rules of the country you reside in and it's just piece of paper, i filled it in and sent it because i was young and ignorant at that time, but i'll not fire a bullet into someone else even if it means there will be one fired into me. I'm still boss over my own triggerfinger

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Not sure if there is a legal way to get out of it, google it i would say.

That is a really sad philosophy. You would not even pull a trigger to save yourself? How about your family?

As for the Selective Service, are you kidding me? That is the least you owe your Nation. As a matter of fact, I dare say that they should have NEVER done away with the Draft in the First Place.

If you are not willing to serve your Country in a time of need, then you should honestly not even reside within that Nation.

reply to post by RexxCrow

I don't know what your smoking But conscription (draft) is very much constitutional. and since the constitution gives Congress the power to declare wars sending the standing amry to another country to fight is also constitutional! ever wonder if it was unconstitutional why then the one court that is charged with interpreting the constitution says it wasn't. Every war that has had a draft the draft and sendind drafties off to fight has been challenged in the Supreme court and each time they say its constitutional!

reply to post by Subversive_Populous

registering to vote is what gets you in on jury duty.

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy
It lets them draft me in a time of crisis...wtf I thought that the draft wasn't around at all anymore...especially with the # happening now I don't want to register...Did anyone else get this??What did you do? If you don't register it says you may go to prison or pay a fine...this is bs. If your drafted can you purposely fail the tests and act like a retard or get tired after one push up? Now I wish I was fat...

[edit on 12-11-2008 by SonsOfAnarchy]

Heres the scans of the forms:
front: img243.imageshack.us...
back: img243.imageshack.us...

there is also another form has the same thing on the back and on the front has like all the information and stuff for you to fill in...

[edit on 12-11-2008 by SonsOfAnarchy]

Welcome to adulthood!

When I was growing up, they had PSA's telling us about this.



[edit on 13-11-2008 by HunkaHunka]

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy
reply to post by jerico65

 

How would they know how you lived your life anyway?? and thats not true that you have to live your whole life like because if I just don't think war solves anything then how can they even force me to even give aid as a medic in something that I'm against. Whatever though I'm just going to register for this bs and hope the draft doesn't happen and if it does I'll figure out what to do.

It's not a question of what they know about your life.
It's a question of what you can prove about your life.

If you can't prove that you have consistently, for many years, been totally against taking life in any situation at all, then your bird aint got no wings.

You don't have the legal option of objecting to a war, or of objecting to killing in some circumstances, but approving of, for example, the death penalty.

The military aren't stupid. If a draft is instigated they are not going to fall for nonsense. As for getting yourself caught kissing another guy, as another poster mentioned, the captain will just laugh at yet another recruit trying that. Sure he's meant to kick you out if he finds you're gay, but making sure you get caught kissing counts as being normal, not gay.
And knowing the humour of military guys, he's just as likely to bring in the biggest, fattest, smelliest guy around and tell you that only by getting it off with that guy will he see you as being gay.

Sometimes you've just got to do your duty.

It would be funny, (sort of,) if you evaded a draft and then got run over instead. Risk is a part of life. Your best bet would be to learn all you can in the meantime so that if you ever do get drafted you can qualify for officer training. However you'd have to do a lot of changing before you'd be respected as one.

Ok,

So you're concerned about selective service.

I say screw it.

Why?, you ask?

My dad served in NAM, was a conscientious objector, and ended up being a mortician.

He saw all the "boys" going out horizontal and he doesn't talk about it other than to say it was a TERRIBLE WASTE OF HUMAN LIFE!

Just about every war has been waged by us FOR THE BANKSTERS for resource grabs!

Not just resource grabs but sanctioned genocide!

Didn't Prescott Bush help finance the Germans as well as the Americans??

And just recently with the Iraq war--Congress supposedly didn't declare war--it was an illegal invasion!

So falleth not into the memes of patriotism and such, for -ism's are dangerous and requireth your ignorance to advance the nefarious plans of mobsters--even at the cost of your life!

Protect Yourself and Your Family--They/We Need You!

The Enemy is Within.


~TwistedPair~

If you wish to be a citizen of this country you MUST register when you turn 18. If you have a condition that prevents you from serving, you will be fine. If you really don't want to serve when you get drafted, go into the MEPS station, smile at the male processing clerks ALOT, then kiss, grab or plain molest one. I guarantee you will be sent home with all speed.

Yeeeah, that snuck up on me back when I turned 18 too. I weighed the options, "Sign a little card for a potential draft that is unlikely to ever occur...or risk jail time/paying a fine.."

Needless to say I signed their little card. I'm already all over the internet, they've got me in their system several several several times. Signing the draft card isn't going to make my situation any worse. If they wanted to find me you bet they'd be able to, and fast, even without that card.

P.S.-Welcome to being an adult, it only gets worse from here so grab onto your boot straps!

From what I understand, they will start with 19 yo then 20,21,22,23, etc.

This has also been concerning as Ive heard multiple radio ads, recently, reminding young men that they have to sign up.

Why advertise unless they plan on using it?

There are a lot of options that I can think of but don't know if they are actually legal:

1. Instead of signing it, have another person in your family sign their name. They likely will not even notice.

2. Maybe you can write up your own version that looks similar to theirs and send it in. Only you add in provisions that help you instead of hurting you. This is probably a crime I would guess, although I don't know how serious it is considered.

3. Ignore it and go from there. That is likely your best option. The concept that after one mailing the feds are going to jail or fine you is ridiculous. If it was just sent via regular mail and not certified mail, then there is no proof it was delivered. The worst that would happen is that you'd have to hire a good lawyer to get you off the hook by claiming you never received the letter. Most likely they won't even mail you another more threatening version for another few months. This is what I would have done if I were to do it all over again, assuming that I signed that paper. This brings back some memories of the paper you had to sign, but I don't really remember it to be honest. This is what I would do first, ignore the letter unless it was sent certified mail.

Also, I think the allegations that you are either a bad citizen or a whiner are sheer insanity. You are doing your job as a citizen questioning the government when they try to sign you into involuntary servitude. Questioning rights violations is what makes a citizen a good one. Truly there are few freedoms left among the few high-value freedoms we have in the US. The freedom of speech is one of the few we have left and it is eroding quickly. I think when someone's rights are violated its not simple whining to complain about it. Even if it is just a card to inform the federal government of their current abilities, the freedom of expression should give us the right to NOT inform the federal government of our current ability to serve. I think any 18 year old who doesn't whine and complain about involuntary servitude is actually very unpatriotic and anti-freedom.

What I do remember, is that it took me about three years to realize the obvious... the government basically OWNS you. If you try to uphold your rights in any way they will destroy you for it. First they may simply fine you and take away your possessions. If that does not work they will put a felony on your record so you can't get a job. The sooner you bend over and take it in the behind like a slave dog (not like a "man" as others delusionally describe it) the better. Anyone who simply stands up and says "no I will uphold my rights" is quickly destroyed by the government. Its we the people who re-elect our congress faithfully every term, regardless of what they do. My anger at the government is actually low because I understand this. I hope you learn this lesson sooner rather than later, because clearly you grew up thinking that you had "unalienable" rights. No, as an adult your rights are regularly alienated and the beset way to work against it is very clearly not by outright refusals.

If there is a war that needs to be fought and you don't sign up, THEN you are being unpatriotic. But to forced to blindly sign up for anything or anyone Bush or Obama decides to attack is a ludicrously horrific violation of rights. This letter is just a formality. I'd guess it is mostly designed to get you to learn to bend down and take it like a helpless dog when the government needs to force you to do something.

Hello.


Legal, illegal. Oh please. Who decides what is legal/illegal. First , you accept what is someone's version of those terms. Face it.Then you justify them to yourself because you do not want to face the fact of how powerless you are against the edifice. This talk about ''countries'' and all the rest of it - face it, you have no power.You cannot do anything - but of course you are told you can do , oh so much.

All you can do is bottle up within yourself and play the ''negativity'' game.This way you can still persuade yourself you matter to the system somehow.

The problem is not with weapons.The problem is not with fighting.The problem is with the way it is organized. Women will laugh at people who get their nice letters , if not openly, then secretly. This divide and rule game is sickening. Women are being openly insulted and yet they accept it as an ''advantage'' and brag about not having ''equal rights.'' (This is a good intelligence test of BOTH genders, by the way : find out how they react to ''hot potato'' issues.) Instead of addressing the issues of WHO gets targeted,people accept the WHO and focus on WHY. Both reasons are provided by the ''powers that be.'' Face it.Whether you buy into the conspiracy or not, this is how it is.

If you want to matter - do something practical.Do not whine in front of a computer.Go out, attack the ones who are responsible for the policies.

''But I cannot get to them..''

The hell you can't.If you want to, you can do anything.If you're not willing to do the latter, then shut up, because whether you live in the (so-called) free society or a dictatorship would really make no difference to you.

''What can I do?''

You seem reasonably intelligent.Use it.

''But I've a family,friends..''

Well then.You just proved you don't really want change.You just brag about it because it seems to be a ''fad.''

Be the change you want to see.Oh wait - nothing changes much? Then perhaps you are not really interested in change.

Something to consider.This post is not meant to be a response.It is an observation - ad hoc - that some might find relevant.

Same pattern around the world.This is amazing.It's also funny how people say to join ''The SS.'' All that is missing are two runes depicting victory.

Freedom ? Forget it. Freedom is an abstract term that cannot possibly exist under any system, be it democracy or anarchy. Freedom is only possible if you are a self-sustainable entity . Can you generate your own electricity, your own food ? Can you survive without the government and all the rest of them without losing all that you have right now ? No ? Then you are not free,honey. I am so sorry.

PS. I do not know what to think about the conspiracy on an unimaginable scale.But let me tell you, the more I observe people , the more it becomes apparent that truth might, just might, be stranger than fiction.

Goodbye.

Originally posted by panda319

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy
reply to post by prototism

 

Haha...umm but it clearly says in a time of crisis they may draft me to the army...which clearly goes against the 13th and 14th amendments

13th: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

keywords "involuntary servitude"

They've created a loophole - it's a crime not to do it, therefor it falls under 'punishment for crime'.

I also wanted to point out that being in the military is neither slavery nor involuntary servitude. Why you ask? Well simply cause they pay you.

Slaves are held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase, or birth, and are deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to receive compensation (such as wages) in return for their labour.

Slavery

Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion.

Involuntary servitude

To OP,

The way I see it is if you want all these "freedoms" then you should be expected to stand up and defend them. I don't necessarily mean going to war, although it is needed sometimes. Instead write y our congress members, attend local and state meetings (when possible), protest ( express your 1st amendment). Get off your computer and and take a stand. Nobody is achieving anything by posting rants on forums.

I don't like labels but many people in my community few me as an Anarchist. Mainly cause I go to council meetings (when there public) and question our leaders. Mind you I do it in respectful way. So if you don't like whats going on. If you don't want to sign that paper then get out there and be a voice not a number.

[edit on 14-11-2008 by hILB3rT]

reply to post by TheAgentNineteen


We've been fighting empty wars for ages. Do you call fighting for profit "a time of need?" I don't owe my country my involuntary servitude because people in high places require FORCE to implement their schemes. They force young men like myself to sign their life and free will away so that companies can become more powerful and wealthy.

I would gladly die for those I love and my fellow countrymen/women, as I will defend their freewill from tyranny and manipulation. I will also protect them from the dumb, even if that means confronting somebody about a mindless post. Hypothetically speaking, of course.

True Story....

My whole life I have had Epilepsy. So when it came time to regester for selective service I just assumed that there would be no reason to regester because I could never be drafted or join the military. I didn't think the US government would care....

Well after highschool I wanted to go to college like everyone else and tried to apply for government student loans like everyone else; well guess what... I was just screwed. The government claims since I never registered for selective service I don't get student loans.... and even though I tried to escalate my denial and explain my situation, even with doctors letters, I basically was screwed. All lower people at the college claim oh, your situation can be escallated and appealed, but when you actually go through the escallation process the US government just says, 'We don't care, you don't get student loans'!

The selective service system sucks...!!!

Jeez, if only it were that easy to get into the defence force! It's taken me four years and hundreds of dollars worth of taxpayers dollars, just to get through the bull# redtape of the selection process for the Australian Defence Force, and I'm STILL not in. *sigh*

You are required to register because that is the law of the United States of America.

But of course you don't want to. You think you have no obligations to this country, you are ENTITLED. You expect to be given everything, and not to ever have to sacrifice a thing for your country.

People like you make me sick to my stomach. You coddled, opusillanimous little puddle of putrid puke!

reply to post by nrky

What branch are you trying for? I hear the Royal Australian Navy is hurting big time so I am assuming you want to do either the Australian Army or the Royal Australian Air Force?

I really dont understand why voluntary enlistment is so difficult in some nations, especially those with smaller armed forces that are HURTING big time for recruits.


As for the US, I doubt we will ever bring back conscription. Even if the US was invaded right this second it would be worthless as half the country would side with the invaders out of blind ignorance, laziness or find some excuse to collaborate.