New Agers! The Truth!

You have to love how these new age, pagan, or any other non christian people bash christianity!

Mean while all the new agers hold Jesus Christ as their great teacher, meanwhile they don't follow his teachings!

I know Jesus said to do this, but im going to make # up and say he told me to believe that we are all god within, its a big conspiracy from the Illuminati to trick us into thinking that there is one god and he created us, its their way of controlling us!!!

So what im going to do is believe what they believe in! then they cant trick me!!

People Alice A. Bailey was a mistress of Rothschilds, and she founded the Lucifer Trust. Hmm whos lucifer aka satan. Her books were written as the new education system of the new world order

Since the NWO will have a luciferian doctrine. but here are people saying i want to stop them and fight them, but yet you have already lost! They worship satan and you do the same!

They hate Jesus and Christianty and so do you!

Hmmm yea but you guys are fighting on the good side,for the white brotherhood! lol

This is just a call for you to go and read and find truth, i once believed in the new age principle, that there was a good side and a bad side, but when you look at it, both the light and dark side uses the same techniques and rituals?? They both channel spirit guides, they both meditate, they both deny the diety of Jesus, so is there any difference between the good new agers and the bad ones? The answer is no there isn't

So please next time you decide to speak about Christianity this and Christianity that, go do your research go research how all of the bible prophecy that has been fulfilled has been fulfilled exactly on the dot and has never been wrong, and go research historical proof of Jesus and the Bible. Not the Bull# the da vinci illuminati code.

But what are most new agers? Sin filled people who do not want to face the truth that they are sinning against god, so they come up with a nice little lie to themselves, i am a part of god or i am god so sin doesnt exist.
Thats how i was, i didnt want to accept the fact that i was a sinner so i would hold on those beliefs. And i would smoke pot because pot opens up my mind and helps me meditate man!!!

Meanwhile the CIA in project MK ULTRA which was a mind controll operation which still goes on today under different names, found out that giving people drugs like marjiuana, their mind control became easier!

Theres a reason why the bible says do not intoxicate your mind.

I just hope that people reading this will use their god given logic and wisdom to seek the truth and then finally come to the truth!

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

John 8:32 "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Maybe I am in the minority here, but posts like this drive me away from Christianity. There is a lot of hate and stereotyping going on in this post of yours and to be honest, it is a major turn off. The last thing that this post makes me want to do is to go out and research on how I can somehow share your viewpoints.

Good luck with Christianity. I hope that it works well for you. Your attitude seems to be a little different than my understanding of what Christ tried to teach but hey... I am no Christian scholar.

Originally posted by Karlhungis
Maybe I am in the minority here, but posts like this drive me away from Christianity. There is a lot of hate and stereotyping going on in this post of yours and to be honest, it is a major turn off. The last thing that this post makes me want to do is to go out and research on how I can somehow share your viewpoints.

Good luck with Christianity. I hope that it works well for you. Your attitude seems to be a little different than my understanding of what Christ tried to teach but hey... I am no Christian scholar.

29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

31And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Thats what he tought good job for you following the second commandment, but not the first.

He also tought hate evil works, and Jesus himself overthrew tables and kicked people out of the temple. But like a typical new ager you like to read bible verses out of context.

And i dont hate anyone, i hate their works, just like i hate bad and wrong things that i do! i hate your saying like good luck with christanity, but i still love you and if i saw you on the street and you needed help, i would be the first one to lend you a helping hand.

So what of christs teaching am i missing out on, what is this teaching that you have found that i don't know about?

[edit on 12-11-2008 by gselsidi]

So please next time you decide to speak about Christianity this and Christianity that, go do your research go research how all of the bible prophecy that has been fulfilled

I have and I never saw any evidence that ANY bible prophecy has been fulfilled. All my research has in fact only contributed to my ever growing disgust with organized religion.

As Karl said posts like this make my mind up even further that Christianity is the biggest scam ever. But I guess that means your god of love and forgivness will send me to a pit of eternal torture and pain.

But hey what ever makes YOU happy and gives you peace.

I was raised a Christian but as I have grown and come to know more of the world's beliefs I have been disappointed, not in the message of Christ but in his followers. I have seen more evil done in the name of Christianity than in the name of any other religion. I think Christ would be ashamed of a good deal of the folks that call themselves, "Christians".

Originally posted by Merigold

So please next time you decide to speak about Christianity this and Christianity that, go do your research go research how all of the bible prophecy that has been fulfilled

I have and I never saw any evidence that ANY bible prophecy has been fulfilled. All my research has in fact only contributed to my ever growing disgust with organized religion.

As Karl said posts like this make my mind up even further that Christianity is the biggest scam ever. But I guess that means your god of love and forgivness will send me to a pit of eternal torture and pain.

But hey what ever makes YOU happy and gives you peace.

Umm actually no...you send yourself to hell, if i tell you how to get to my house and you decide to follow a different path and you end up dead, did i kill you? If god told you heres how to get to me and live with me forever and you decide to go another way, not his fault.

Hell is you being seperated from him, he is not sending you there because he wants too, its because you choose too, and a loving god doesnt force himself upon you, love is freedom of choice, love doesnt force itself upon someone else.

Originally posted by damwel
I was raised a Christian but as I have grown and come to know more of the world's beliefs I have been disappointed, not in the message of Christ but in his followers. I have seen more evil done in the name of Christianity than in the name of any other religion. I think Christ would be ashamed of a good deal of the folks that call themselves, "Christians".

Damwel judge a man by his fruits not his words.
If people say they are christain like bush and the leaders of the catholic church, which practices whitchcraft, and they do evil things, that doesnt make them christain, just because they say they are his followers.

They arent followers but liars. they profess christ with their mouths but not their hearts.
And people of course say ohh see christianty is evil.

Its like saying see all white people are racist because of the kkk's actions.

love is freedom of choice, love doesnt force itself upon someone else.

Freedom of choice? Let's see, go to hell a place of eternal torture, you know as in getting my fingernails pulled out one by one and hot pokers shoved up my ass - or get "saved" Erm..not much of a choice there.

Look: I respect your opinions and I am happy that you can believe so strongly but surley there are other forums where your prostelyzing will be more appreciated.

Originally posted by Merigold

Freedom of choice? Let's see, go to hell a place of eternal torture, you know as in getting my fingernails pulled out one by one and hot pokers shoved up my ass - or get "saved" Erm..not much of a choice there.

"Erm..not much of a choice there." are you ok?? do you not know the definition of choice? lol

choice 1. Let's see, go to hell a place of eternal torture, you know as in getting my fingernails pulled out one by one and hot pokers shoved up my ass

Choice 2. get "saved"

You can still choose choice on of pitchfork in your butt or get saved cant you?

Originally posted by gselsidi
Umm actually no...you send yourself to hell, if i tell you how to get to my house and you decide to follow a different path and you end up dead, did i kill you? If god told you heres how to get to me and live with me forever and you decide to go another way, not his fault.

Hell is you being seperated from him, he is not sending you there because he wants too, its because you choose too, and a loving god doesnt force himself upon you, love is freedom of choice, love doesnt force itself upon someone else.

Ok, if GOD comes up to me and says, Harman, come on and listen to me. This is what is going on and that is the road to salvation. Go there my friend and bliss will come to you after this life. just hang on in there and be a good Christian for a few decades so you can be welcome in my realm of eternal bliss and joy i would at least think about it, but who want's an eternal leader that would be diagnosed with Borderline syndrome if it where a human?

So i've said it a million times and will say it again i can and will not follow a leader blindly that goes against my own moral fiber and if that makes me a person that deserves hell for following it's own free will and without hurting anyone i will take what is coming to me. I believe in a god but not in a biblical way, i do not believe we are all gods but that the consciousness in the universe, carnate and discarnate, makes up the whole of what some may call God.

If i'm wrong and you and yours really are Speaking The Truth i really was created in a disfunctional universe and the creator itself, creator of all his children is an evil God if he misleads or allows to mislead his most loved ones (as stated in the bible).

Originally posted by gselsidi
30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

love is....? jesus also said a man cannot have two masters, he cannot love possessions and god, he must, and he was emphatic about this, he must give away everything and renounce worldly goods before he can love god.

do you love god?

you send yourself to hell, if i tell you how to get to my house and you decide to follow a different path and you end up dead, did i kill you? If god told you heres how to get to me and live with me forever and you decide to go another way, not his fault.

jesus never threatened anyone with hell, christian, pagan or jew. he gave no teachings or instruction regarding hell, so what gives you the authority to preach about hell and the route to it?

as christ was dying on the cross he promised a place in heaven to a thief because the man had a good heart, not because he had spent his life in pursuit of prescribed goodness.

Theres a reason why the bible says do not intoxicate your mind.

yes, the same reason jesus' first miracle was to turn wine into water.......no hang on, oh yeah, in actuality he was at a party and after a few days of drinking and dancing they ran out of wine, so he did a little bit of divine intervention and partied for a few more days.

then there's the whole "get together with your friends for food and drink as a way of remembering him.

so jesus started and ended his "ministry" with a party, a party to which wine was of central importance, and you try to equate intoxication with sin? can you explain the link.

Mean while all the new agers hold Jesus Christ as their great teacher, meanwhile they don't follow his teachings!

funny, but that's the difficulty i have with my fellow christians.

[edit on 12/11/08 by pieman]

Originally posted by Harman

Originally posted by gselsidi
Umm actually no...you send yourself to hell, if i tell you how to get to my house and you decide to follow a different path and you end up dead, did i kill you? If god told you heres how to get to me and live with me forever and you decide to go another way, not his fault.

Hell is you being seperated from him, he is not sending you there because he wants too, its because you choose too, and a loving god doesnt force himself upon you, love is freedom of choice, love doesnt force itself upon someone else.

Ok, if GOD comes up to me and says, Harman, come on and listen to me. This is what is going on and that is the road to salvation. Go there my friend and bliss will come to you after this life. just hang on in there and be a good Christian for a few decades so you can be welcome in my realm of eternal bliss and joy i would at least think about it, but who want's an eternal leader that would be diagnosed with Borderline syndrome if it where a human?

So i've said it a million times and will say it again i can and will not follow a leader blindly that goes against my own moral fiber and if that makes me a person that deserves hell for following it's own free will and without hurting anyone i will take what is coming to me. I believe in a god but not in a biblical way, i do not believe we are all gods but that the consciousness in the universe, carnate and discarnate, makes up the whole of what some may call God.

If i'm wrong and you and yours really are Speaking The Truth i really was created in a disfunctional universe and the creator itself, creator of all his children is an evil God if he misleads or allows to mislead his most loved ones (as stated in the bible).

Where was that stated in the bible? Do you even know what you have to do for salvation? apperently not.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Yeah what a evil god he is, believe in me and you shall be in heaven i will forgive all of your sins or mistakes

YEA totally evil man!!!

Originally posted by gselsidi
You have to love how these new age, pagan, or any other non christian people bash christianity!

Mean while all the new agers hold Jesus Christ as their great teacher, meanwhile they don't follow his teachings!

This is as far as I had to read to see the ignorance dripping from your post.

First you declare that "new agers" are "non christian", then you go on to say the same people hold Jesus Christ as their great teacher.

Now, let's rearrange your post just a little bit:
"You have to love how these Christians bash any other non christian people."

"Meanwhile, all the Christians hold Jesus Christ as their great teacher, but don't follow his teachings."

Sounds ridiculous to you doesn't it. Well, no more ridiculous than your statement sounds to anyone else.

I think it speaks volumes that you went to the trouble to draft a rather lengthy post specifically to "bash" other belief systems, and your whole argument is that they "bash" yours. You seem to have overdosed on hypocrisy, and have represented they beliefs you are attempting to defend in a horrible light. Were you representing my faith here, I'd be embarrassed.

Originally posted by gselsidi
Where was that stated in the bible? Do you even know what you have to do for salvation? apperently not.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Yeah what a evil god he is, believe in me and you shall be in heaven i will forgive all of your sins or mistakes

YEA totally evil man!!!

One day he was nice and the other day he would say to someone to kill his son or lay waste to whatever. You are picking out the cherries of the pie called bible to fit the point you try to bring and i'm not even going to go there. If real and the bible true to the world i'm royally screwed and so be it. If not and that is what i'm thinking it does not make sense to follow a illogical dogmatic religion (ANY religion but Christianity is being discussed here so i'm rolling with that one) in the time i'm here. I have better things to do and ponder about than being fearfull about how i live my life.

Isaiah 45: 7
“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.”

If your "God" created evil, doesn't that make him evil to have put it upon this earth?

And i find it funny that more often than not religious people have to bring FEAR into the discussion to get people to listen and non-religious people can bring logic to the discussion and make people listen that way. Instead of scaring them into submission.

The same people who wrote the bible fulfilled the prophecies in it. Do your research, I know it will be hard and they are not going to teach you in school so you will have to learn on your own but you need to wake up!Quit thinking it is only a none christian that will lie to you because the entire bible was founded on lies! Wake up, your in the bubble in the Matrix and only you can get yourself out! You have been put there for a reason and it is not to give you the truth...

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Hey there gselsidi,

Wow, that was one confused, rambling rant you gave there !

Methinks this is the lasting effects of your sin-filled days over-indulging in the herbal green stuff ... man.

But I have one question about the things you said because there seems to be some contradiction on your part;

(quote) - '... reason why the bible says, DO NOT INTOXICATE YOUR MIND'

So I have to ask, does this mean that Jesus Christ was a sinner (or at the very least a rebel who went against his fathers orders), by turning water into wine at the wedding and encouraging people to drink more ?

Now please forgive me whilst I go grab the 'frebreeze' to get rid of the sanctimonious stench of fire and brimstone oozing out of my computer.

>>> People will always follow the path most suitable to them as an individual (rightly or wrongly). They should be allowed to follow that path without being insulted and/or threatened by those who do not agree with their choice surely ?

Good Luck on your new journey. Woody

Im shocked by all this hate towards Christianity. If you are a non believer, than fine, adhere to your beliefs. However what people don't understand is one of the underlying factors for all this hate against Christianity is the NWO. They are destroying the religion as fast as possible because it threatens their beliefs (satanism, paganism, judaism). Although one does not have to agree everything with a religion, it serves as a uniting factor, one that gives power to a community. Millions of people are obviously a much more powerful force than just a handful of people. With their goal of completely dismantling Christianity perhaps complete, the NWO can control YOU even more easily. Enjoy.

It's remarkable how many Christians bash non-Christians. And Christians that aren't of the same denomination, for that matter.

Jesus never said "And ye shall call all those who are other than you Satanists and hit them with bricks!"
Quite the opposite in fact. He said only he without sin can judge another person.
Saying otherwise, and the bastardization of Christ's work that some people pass off as Christianity, has caused much more harm than good.