The Pentagon attacks what do we really know?

After going through all of the links and doing some reading on the pentagon attacks I don't buy into the idea of Hani Hanjour who by all accounts was a horrible pilot and with even worse command of english all of a sudden had the skill to make that turn and hit the pentagon at such a high rate of speed.That hole looks like a missle impact to me.

reply to post by mike dangerously


Agreed about Hani Hanjour but the fact is that NO pilot could have achieved the final descent on the official flight path without breaking up over the highway.

It is simply not possible as explained in this thread.

But the hole does not look like it was caused by a missile and there was no missile involved with this deception.

Here is a clear composite image of the "hole" prior to the roof collapse:


The evidence leaves us with pre-planted explosives as being the most likely cause of the damage with no flying object hitting the Pentagon at all and the plane flying over it.

The biggest anomaly in regards to the physical damage is the lack of damage to the foundation or first floor slab as outlined in this thread.

But the most solid evidence proving the plane did not hit is the unanimous eyewitness testimony proving the plane flew on the north side of the gas station.

I recommend you watch all of video presentations at our website:
ThePentaCon.com but here is the original to get you started:

Google Video Link

I can see the case for pre-set explosives,it is odd that there was no damage to the foundation of the building,but then the question becomes who wolud have the ability to arange those explosives ahead of time without anyone noticing?

reply to post by mike dangerously


The damaged area alone had been under renovation for years.

It was scheduled to be completed the week of 9/11.

This is why there were so relatively few deaths inside the building (about 130) when thousands may have been killed if a real 757 actually hit any other part of the building.

Obviously since those who control the Pentagon are the ones implicated by all the evidence proving an inside job....it's not a stretch to suggest that they facilitated planting the necessary explosives/shape charges to do the trick during this time.

Naturally it would be child's play to pull off in the comfort of their own secured and tightly controlled building particularly when compared with the 3 covert controlled demolitions they pulled off in downtown Manhattan on live TV.

Maybe should read book "FIREFIGHT" by Patrick Creed & Rick Newman


Did something the tin foil kooks dont do - interview hundreds of people
who were actually there....

Interviewed some 150 FF and rescue personnel who responded to the
Pentagon that day. Told of tripping over aircraft debris while dragging
hoses in to fight the fires. Of puddles of burning jet fuel. Finding seats
from airliner. And the bodies of passengers including one case still
strapped into seat.

Report from Arlington Cty VA Fire Dept

www.arlingtonva.us...

Now consider how does one plant tons of aircraft debris in a building
including pieces which weight hundreds if not thousands of pounds and
would need a crane to move. Don't think moving debris that size
would attrach attention? Of course the looney brigade has a facile answer
to such mundane questions - EVERYBODY WAS IN ON THE CONSPIRACY!

Landing gear debris near exit hole in C Ring wall

reply to post by thedman


Thedman, just because someone wrote a book dose not mean they are telling the truth.
We all know writing a book is a big business it is to make money and appealing to the right people to make their sales.

Now consider how does one plant tons of aircraft debris in a building
including pieces which weight hundreds if not thousands of pounds and
would need a crane to move. Don't think moving debris that size
would attrach attention? Of course the looney brigade has a facile answer
to such mundane questions - EVERYBODY WAS IN ON THE CONSPIRACY!

Wow! Who said the debris weight tons?
Who said pieces weight hundreds if not thousands of pounds?
Who said everyone was in on the conspiracy?
Who are the looneys brigade?

Landing gear debris near exit hole in C Ring wall

Your external image dose not show a landing gear just some garbage.

Originally posted by thedman
And the bodies of passengers including one case still
strapped into seat.

Totally not proven and probably a myth. Why would you want to perpetuate a story like this?

Bodies strapped to airline seats???

Remember how you admitted on page 7 of that thread that you couldn't prove the claim? You were only reporting what other people allegedly saw and could not prove that it was true.

No one provided any forensic evidence for the name of the passenger who was allegedly found strapped to an airline seat.

It's cool, I'm not going to rehash an old thread. It's been done before and it's all in the link.

Your external image dose not show a landing gear just some garbage.

Maybe should consider getting eyes checked - in foreground is
landing gear truck, along with other debris clered from exit hole
in the C Ring wall.

Landing gear truck -757



Another shot of the debris at C Ring



So you don't think the landing gear of a jet airliner weights several
tons?

Debris on front lawn

So someone came by and just randomly tossed out pieces.?

Those photos thedman are, quite frankly, hilarious....!!

If you think they show plane crash debris sir, i would respectfully suggest its not your eyes, but your brain that needs checking...

I see a few scraps of metal on an otherwise pristine, beautifully manicured lawns with nothing...repeat nothing... showing any evidence of a plane crash.....and you know it...

Is that the best photos youve got??

WTF??
Wheres the plane man??

The odds and sods that seem pushed into a small corner of an alleyway does not...repeat not..constitute, even in the slightest way, evidence of a plane crash.....



....and you know it....

Does ATS have a Comedian of The Year Award??

Thedman and his usual band of Merry Pranksters get my vote....you guys crack me up!!

reply to post by thedman


Please check your *external image* links.
I do not see any airplane landing gear in the debris.

Wheres the plane man??

Most of it is inside the building. What you see is those pieces shed from the plane as it hit. You want more debris

Landing gear strut



Aircraft parts inside Pentagon

Originally posted by cashlink
reply to post by thedman

 

I do not see any airplane landing gear in the debris.

wtc7lies.googlepages.com...;init:.jpg

I do, complete axle with multi-disk brakes assembly at the rh lower side of the pic, and parts of the oleo (strut) on the lh side.

reply to post by x555x


Ya! Your link is dead as well.
I rest my case.

reply to post by cashlink


Just because the link is dead does not prove or disprove anything. The site that he was linking to is still accessible.

Here

reply to post by desertdreamer


So you send me to a Government debunking website thanks for nothing.
How about showing something that is very scientific instead of debunking thank you.



[edit on 11/18/2008 by cashlink]

posted by desertdreamer
Just because the link is dead does not prove or disprove anything. The site that he was linking to is still accessible.

Here

posted by cashlink
So you send me to a Government debunking website thanks for nothing.
How about showing something that is very scientific instead of debunking thank you.

Looked like about 50 pages of gibberish to me.

After bouncing around like a ping pong ball in there, I gave up. Never did find those certified Flight 77 aircraft parts with serial numbers.

Originally posted by cashlink
reply to post by x555x

 

Ya! Your link is dead as well.
I rest my case.

I was merely pointing out that your statement is ridiculous.....you are resting your case just because someones link is dead? Just seems kind of stupid for someone of your intelligence and fervor, but whatever cash.

Originally posted by SPreston

posted by desertdreamer
Just because the link is dead does not prove or disprove anything. The site that he was linking to is still accessible.

Here

posted by cashlink
So you send me to a Government debunking website thanks for nothing.
How about showing something that is very scientific instead of debunking thank you.

Looked like about 50 pages of gibberish to me.

After bouncing around like a ping pong ball in there, I gave up. Never did find those certified Flight 77 aircraft parts with serial numbers.

Yes, that site was rather confusing. I was merely pointing out that the site where he tried to link his picture from was up and running.....I never said it would be easy to navigate! LOL

Still with all the infomation why won't they just give it up, here's the picture, there happy!!
And Bill Cooper gave fair warning this was going to happen, he's dead now, and was kind of nut, I think.
The government was doing training drills on just such attacks, prior 9/11, and lied said never saw coming.
All is not conspiracie, but alot of things just don't add up, like the Bush speach that sounded just like Hitler's, after the parliment build was destroyed.
Why woun't they say who bought stock short just before 9/11, they said they would till, they found out who it was.
All's not wrong, but all's not right and that's a certainty!

Isreal persons taking pictures of first plane hit tower and their our friend.

[edit on 18-11-2008 by googolplex]

reply to post by desertdreamer

I was merely pointing out that your statement is ridiculous.....you are resting your case just because someones link is dead? Just seems kind of stupid for someone of your intelligence and fervor, but whatever cash.

I think it is *ridiculous* that you all have “failed” to prove that the crash debris belongs to flight UAL93.