Please tell me this bible verse does not mean what I think it does!

No, the creator of the Universe doesn't have to copy since he created even Lucifer. The Bible, King James only is true word of God and mankinds link to understanding the supernatural. It tells the truth of salvation and it identifies who the enemy is really.



reply to post by seek4 truth

Originally posted by tgambill
No, the creator of the Universe doesn't have to copy since he created even Lucifer. The Bible, King James only is true word of God and mankinds link to understanding the supernatural. It tells the truth of salvation and it identifies who the enemy is really.



reply to post by seek4 truth

 

So are you saying that lucifer came before god and set everything up because he new god would show up later and he wanted to make him look bad.

To be honest, I am not sure if you are joking or not. If you are not you sure do have a lot to learn about who wrote the bible and who the people in it are.

The bible lies and tells you that you should trust the enemy, wake up !!! wake up!!! wake up!!! It is not a nightmare, it really happened and you still refuse to educate yourself on the basis of accepting the fact that the way you were raised was rong. When they did not even have the ability to find out the truth. You do and you should be ashamed if you do not.


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Maybe ...since satan is the prince of the power of the air ...and is the god of this world (he is the god of the earthly carnal world) ...God said LET THERE BE and Lucifer was in charge of the elements and was the director of the creations.

Just a thought ...

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Maybe ...since satan is the prince of the power of the air ...and is the god of this world (he is the god of the earthly carnal world) ...God said LET THERE BE and Lucifer was in charge of the elements and was the director of the creations.

Just a thought ...

The god who wrote the bible is the prince of power in the air which would make him satan and you do know that satan and lucifer are two different people dont you?

[edit on 14-11-2008 by seek4 truth]

reply to post by GladTidings

Hi,

Now since we are in this New Covenant, there is only one sin that will send us to hell. The only unforgivable sin is the sin of unbelief or the "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit"

Aren't you adding to scripture there by including disbelief?

Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. Matthew 12:31

No they are not two different beings..

Lucifer was the angels name before the fall .
He became satan after that .

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
(Who will be brought down to hell ?Yes satan ...the devil ....Read Rev
This is the ONLY time Lucifer is named .
Notice he fell from heaven ...he weakened the nations ...he said in his heart he wants to be as GOD >...that is satan ..no matter how you look at it ..
Lucifer and satan are the same beings ...

satan means adversary...Lucifer became Gods adversary after the fall ...


All through out the OT and the New ..God renamed people ...he also renamed Lucifer to satan or the devil ........


And satan did not write the bible ..neither did those who serve satan ..(Can any good come from satan ? NO ...there is too much good written in that bible to have come from satan) .......
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Men who SERVED GOD who were DIVINELY inspired by GOD wrote the bible ....
Job 32:8 But [there is] a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


[edit on 14-11-2008 by Simplynoone]

Originally posted by Simplynoone
No they are not two different beings..

Lucifer was the angels name before the fall .
He became satan after that .

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
(Who will be brought down to hell ?Yes satan ...the devil ....Read Rev
This is the ONLY time Lucifer is named .
Notice he fell from heaven ...he weakened the nations ...he said in his heart he wants to be as GOD >...that is satan ..no matter how you look at it ..
Lucifer and satan are the same beings ...

satan means adversary...Lucifer became Gods adversary after the fall ...


All through out the OT and the New ..God renamed people ...he also renamed Lucifer to satan or the devil ........

I hate to tell you this but somebodies confused and or telling lies. Read the original Hebrew text, that verse does not say Lucifer but instead gives the name of a fallen Babylonion King. Im sorry but that book is filled with lies from front to back, it is one of the biggest tricks ever pulled on man. The way you continue to only show the bible as the truth simply shows how far from it you are. Step outside of the bubble that they created for you, be your own person and think for yourself for a second. You will be suprised as to what you find.

Trace it all back through time, like the branches of the tree, it will take you a very long time but once you are done it will turn your life around for the good. Dont trust what you see on TV for reasons you will find on your quest and the simple fact that these people will have never done what you have. You will then be the expert on the subject and the more you learn the more you will see.

[edit on 14-11-2008 by seek4 truth]

Originally posted by L.I.B.
reply to post by GladTidings

 

Hi,

Now since we are in this New Covenant, there is only one sin that will send us to hell. The only unforgivable sin is the sin of unbelief or the "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit"

Aren't you adding to scripture there by including disbelief?

Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. Matthew 12:31

No, i am asserting that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unbelief.
this is why i think that:
this is the work of the Holy Spirit:

John16:8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

reply to post by GladTidings




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Originally posted by noobfun
reply to post by tgambill

no i didnt, i didnt say that all

*points at GladTidings* liar lair pants on fire

[edit on 14/11/08 by noobfun]

Originally posted by noobfun
reply to post by GladTidings

 

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Originally posted by noobfun
reply to post by tgambill

no i didnt, i didnt say that all


*points at GladTidings* liar lair pants on fire

[edit on 14/11/08 by noobfun]

haha yeah that was just me saying that i messed up on a previous posting and didn't separate my reply from the quote i included. Then someone very graciously pointed out that there was a way to edit


[edit on 14-11-2008 by GladTidings]

reply to post by GladTidings

Originally posted by GladTidings

Originally posted by L.I.B.
reply to post by GladTidings

 

Hi,

Now since we are in this New Covenant, there is only one sin that will send us to hell. The only unforgivable sin is the sin of unbelief or the "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit"

Aren't you adding to scripture there by including disbelief?

Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. Matthew 12:31

No, i am asserting that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unbelief.
this is why i think that:
this is the work of the Holy Spirit:

John16:8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

Okay, in the verses that you quoted, Jesus is speaking and it's about believing in him specifically.

Elsewhere Jesus also said: And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him. Luke 12:10.

So, if you believe Jesus, even Jesus can be spoken against and it is not blasphemy.

Now, let's take this a little further concerning blasphemy, which is an action involving speech. Suppose a person who does not believe never uttered their conviction. Have they still blasphemed?

That person is a disbeliever, but they never spoke of their disbelief. Disbelief alone cannot be blasphemy.

Even those who who speak about their issues with the bible cannot blanketly be said to blaspheming the Holy Spirit either.


edited to add a couple words

lol, Edited again to delete a superfluous word... no, not one that I just added


[edit on 14-11-2008 by L.I.B.]

[edit on 14-11-2008 by L.I.B.]

Originally posted by GladTidings
firstly I am praying for u that u would listen and hear the voice of the only true and living God and that i would b a vessle used by Him.

just praying you better sacrifice a few sheep for Mooo goodwolf and me as well just to make sure

"Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts"

i wont harden my heart, when i finish insulting and berating him for his loving death squads throughotu history id demand as a merciful and just figure he gets his ass down to earth and pay a visit to the Hague we have a whole list of war crimes and genocide we would like to speak to him about

The New Covenant is made with Jesus' blood and covers all the sin of the world once and for all.

skip back a couple of pages
the new covenant is a myth we have done this already

jesus himself said to continue the old ways

as did paul/saul

not once did either of them say ok ok enough killing animals its just getting silly stop it now

and paul was very much pro killing adulterers homosexuals bestialatists(is this even a word?) insulters of thier parents he demanded they all be treated to a taste of gods law

Now since we are in this New Covenant, there is only one sin that will send us to hell.

beleiving the new covenant jesus didnt sanction?


[edit on 14/11/08 by noobfun]

Originally posted by L.I.B.
reply to post by GladTidings

 

Originally posted by GladTidings

Originally posted by L.I.B.
reply to post by GladTidings

 

Hi,

Now since we are in this New Covenant, there is only one sin that will send us to hell. The only unforgivable sin is the sin of unbelief or the "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit"

Aren't you adding to scripture there by including disbelief?

Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. Matthew 12:31

No, i am asserting that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unbelief.
this is why i think that:
this is the work of the Holy Spirit:

John16:8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

Okay, in the verses that you quoted, Jesus is speaking and it's about believing in him specifically.

Elsewhere Jesus also said: And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him. Luke 12:10.

So, if you believe Jesus, even Jesus can be spoken against and it is not blasphemy.

Now, let's take this a little further concerning blasphemy, which is an action involving speech. Suppose a person who does not believe never uttered their conviction. Have they still blasphemed?

That person is a disbeliever, but they never spoke of their disbelief. Disbelief alone cannot be blasphemy.

Even those who who speak about their issues with the bible cannot blanketly be said to blaspheming the Holy Spirit either.


edited to add a couple words

lol, Edited again to delete a superfluous word... no, not one that I just added


[edit on 14-11-2008 by L.I.B.]

[edit on 14-11-2008 by L.I.B.]

u r right, unbelief does not need to be spoken.
I don't know that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit has to be spoken to b blasphemy...interesting point
Anyways i did not mean to say that ppl who have blasphemed the Holy Spirit are definately doomed, I think that ppl who have blasphemed are no different than anyone else who is lost--that they are just as able to b saved.
The assertion i was making is that the only sin that will cause u to go to hell is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit(unbelief or rejection of Christ). this is so because there is only one way to b redeemed from hell and that is to believe in Jesus as the Messiah and as ur personal Savior and accept His free gift of Atonment for sin.
I would not say that ppl who have issues with the Bible are blaspheming the Holy Spirit. In fact i would not b judging anyone on anything as there is only one judge of the heart and i will leave that to Him.

reply to post by GladTidings


glad when your replies smaller then your quote section it might be a good idea to remove a bunch and just leave the last comment the other person made

it just stops the thread bieng filed with what we just read

reply to post by noobfun


ok np sorry 4 being redundant

reply to post by seek4 truth


[the name of a fallen Babylonion King]

Ok obviously your not comprehending this .
Lucifer AKA satan the devil .....is spirit just like God is .
The Holy Spirit indwells within man (posesses him)
The unholy spirit satan)indwells (posesses) in man as well ...
satan himself NEEDS A HUMAN BODY to live in to be in this world in our dimension .......in order to do his dirty deeds ..he needs man to do help him .....

What has been before will be again nothing new under the sun .....different men (KINGS) through out history have been satan posessed ...

That is why King of Babylon and the King of Tyre even King Neb etc etc (and the comeing Antichrist *Who will once again be a King of Babylon (in these end times) ..were all posessed by satan ...Lucifer ...etc ..............

They are not satan ..they are posessed by satan ...so when the word is talking about them he is also talking about satan and to satan who LIVES WITHIN THEM >......


Hope that makes sense ..I know what I am trying to convey ..maybe I am just not doing it right ..

Maybe someone else can explain it better ...

Those Kings were men who did satans bidding because he was IN THEM (they were posessed by him ) ........

reply to post by GladTidings

I don't know that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit has to be spoken to b blasphemy...interesting point

Yeah, it has to be spoken.

Anyways i did not mean to say that ppl who have blasphemed the Holy Spirit are definately doomed, ...

At least not for ever and ever they aren't... may just seem like it though, since Jesus said: Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. Matthew 12:32

Ages are around 2400 years each.

I think that ppl who have blasphemed are no different than anyone else who is lost--that they are just as able to b saved.

Well sure. That is the plan afterall... that none perish.

The assertion i was making is that the only sin that will cause u to go to hell is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit(unbelief or rejection of Christ).

Well, I have to admit, that is a generous assertion. Limiting who goes to hell and all.

this is so because there is only one way to b redeemed from hell and that is to believe in Jesus as the Messiah and as ur personal Savior and accept His free gift of Atonment for sin.

That almost sounds like a gospel of fear-mongering, with the threat of hell looming over another, or coercion. What ever happened to the Good News gospel that includes Jesus' promise that all he did we can do and more?

I would not say that ppl who have issues with the Bible are blaspheming the Holy Spirit. In fact i would not b judging anyone on anything as there is only one judge of the heart and i will leave that to Him.

Yes, this is His arena. Best even to leave to Him the judgment of just who has or has not blasphemed.

For crying out loud. When will you knuckleheads finally understand.

God and all religion is a man made concept originally created to control illiterate uneducated people by the threat of fear and everlasting damnation if they dared to stray from their political masters plans for the social construction of society.

It is the earliest example of political manipulation that is recorded in human history.

It is solely a method to control people who are too scared to think for themselves.

It has nothing to do with a fictional deity that might hold benevolent views toward one particular 'tribe' and malevolent views toward another. Think about it. Why would an all encompassing and wise creator sanction pain and violence against something that it allegedly made and cared enough about to kill itself (violently) for?

It wouldn't.
It isn't logical.
It goes against nature.
There is no God.

No, i am asserting that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unbelief.
this is why i think that:
this is the work of the Holy Spirit:

John16:8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

I personally have come to that same conclusion.....
Unbelief leads to a hardening of the heart which leads to a reprobate mind .
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

reply to post by Simplynoone


or maybe its you not understanding

i have not read the original hebrew text so i have to take seek4 truth on his word (i have heard somthing similar but not researched it as i said)

but he is saying when you go to one of the earliest known versions of the bible and read that actual verse in the bible it does not say Lucifer

it does however say the name of a know Babylonian king

which would make the verse that says Lucifer a later change to the bible text

Lucifer was an after thought, he wasnt in the original ..... if what he says is true then what your quoting is a falsification

maybe you should follow his advice and look into it or speak to AshleyD she may have looked into this or read the old hebrew version herself she is big on biblical and scriptual history

if Lucifer doesnt make the cut in the older more original text your explenation falls flat on its face

this would show Lucifer is a later false edition added to change the story/meaning