Please tell me this bible verse does not mean what I think it does!

Originally posted by Fletcher33
reply to post by noobfun

 

I am curious as to why you make it your goal to bash those who believe in GOD, why do you care if GOD and GODS followers choose to believe. If it is as stupid, and idiotic as you say it is then why be concerned of those who choose to believe. It seems to me that they are better things to fight over in this world, especially if you believe in no GOD or Creator of any type. I'm just curious??? And I would ask the same thing of those who believe and try to force others into believing. One thing that is certain is that no one, not one person living or dead can prove any of this. God is not proven, Evolution is not proven, science is often thought to be true or factual then later shown to be wrong (earth is flat, heliocentrism there is no absolute proof to any theory of how we all came to be here. If there is is an absolute answer I am not aware of it and would love to have one if there is. Respectfully.....

[edit on 13-11-2008 by Fletcher33]

Hi, Fletcher,

Could it also be that he is just trying to get the believers to think more critically?

To me, it is a very good thing to have believers who are not only faithful, but knowledgeable too. You see I am of the opinion that the lack of teaching in Christianity, with it's emphasis on belief, has created more atheists and agnostics than there would have been.

So, it is good for Christians to listen to atheist's questions and rather than getting upset to be able to say: I don't know, and to then also search for understanding to those difficult questions.

It is so very damaging for all involved when the usual: you are gonna burn in hell retort is fallen back on for defense or to end the conversation.


Edit to fix grammer.

[edit on 13-11-2008 by L.I.B.]

Originally posted by L.I.B.


One of them were. The one that was only partially quoted, i.e. Matthew 5:17, which in my reference reads: Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

He as a Jew would be required to fulfill them. Gentiles never were and still aren't required to fulfill the 613 Mosaic Laws despite what people say about Jesus changing the Law's requirements. Gentiles were and still are under the Noahide Covenant, with it's 7 laws.

*dramatic cough*

and jesus said
Matt
10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

dont go to the gentiles or the samaratans but only to the jews and preach to them .......

i guess jesus only wanted jews, which means old testament rules stand your not really the one jesus cared to have in his gang

reply to post by Fletcher33


Your not being very humble because your attacking the merits of science without even understanding it. That's the hallmark of arrogance and anti-intellectualism.

Originally posted by Fletcher33
reply to post by moocowman

 

Is what your saying here to mean that Jesus did not change any laws and that it would be easier to wipe out Heaven and Earth than to change the laws that were previously "on the books" like the laws of the OT that we would perform today?? Very interesting indeed.

With the greatest respect dude I'm not saying anything, these are Jesus' sayings, I'm just reading what's in the bible.

When my bank statement says "You are in arrears " it pretty much means what it says. I could try and excuse myself from addressing this dilema by telling my wife (if I were married) that we have to take it in context. The fact remains I'm in arrears it say so.


"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets." Jesus, Matthew 5:17

It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." Luke 16:17

reply to post by Good Wolf


what he said

if your going to atatck science at least make it a useful one like why did the scientist waste so much money working out

why cornflakes go soggy

and

why biscuits go soggy when you dip them in tea/coffee

id much rather that money time and equipment be used for somthing more interesting and important ... take note food companies stop wasting sciences valuable time give them the cash let them do somthing useful with it

Originally posted by noobfun

Originally posted by L.I.B.


One of them were. The one that was only partially quoted, i.e. Matthew 5:17, which in my reference reads: Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

He as a Jew would be required to fulfill them. Gentiles never were and still aren't required to fulfill the 613 Mosaic Laws despite what people say about Jesus changing the Law's requirements. Gentiles were and still are under the Noahide Covenant, with it's 7 laws.

*dramatic cough*

and jesus said
Matt
10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

dont go to the gentiles or the samaratans but only to the jews and preach to them .......

i guess jesus only wanted jews, which means old testament rules stand your not really the one jesus cared to have in his gang

And your point is?

Oh...!

It's another joke. I get it!

You're right. He was only sent for the Jews... it is what he said, afterall.

Yet, also, he never turned anyone away who came to him either.

reply to post by L.I.B.
excpet his mother and brother

and he did refuse to heal a sick kid but the mother was all crying and begging and eventually he felt bad and healed her .. but technically he didnt turn them away so just his mother and brother

Originally posted by noobfun
reply to post by L.I.B.

 

excpet his mother and brother

Do you mean even some Jews were exempt?!

Holy cow, oh wait... that's Hinduism.

But, in all seriousness, where do you get that Jesus refused his mother and brother? When I wrote that, I was thinking about his healing others, regardless of whether they were Jew or not. Since I didn't clarify, I guess you are talking about the wine incident in addition to the time that Jesus mentioned who his family was?

reply to post by noobfun


You heard the conspiracy that Jesus didn't die on the cross? The idea that they prodded him in the side and blood and water coming out is impossible without a beating heart. All the burial details mentioned are not how things were done. Add to that all that incense which put together have powerful healing properties.

They didn't shove him in a hole in the side of the tomb paradoxically, and he said to mary "Don't touch me" which is unusual.

Originally posted by L.I.B.
addition to the time that Jesus mentioned who his family was?

it is a dozey really isnt it

hey jesus your mom and brother are here

who is my mother and brother, *turning to the disciple* its you guys you know your my hommies and we be gangsta for god

im guessing mary magdelan played mommy(throws the dan brwon theory out the window a bit though) but he never said which one of the disciples was daddy

judas was deffinatley the annoying younger brother ..... my monies on peter bieng daddy

Originally posted by L.I.B.
Do you mean even some Jews were exempt?!

well he did condemn most of them to hell

and god blinded/deafened most of them so they could never see or hear jesus message so they couldnt go to heaven god hates jews .. fancy that less a big beard in the sky more a funny moustache and combover in the clouds



[edit on 13/11/08 by noobfun]

reply to post by L.I.B.


DEFINITION - Fullfill
1archaic : to make full : fill
2 a: to put into effect : execute b: to meet the requirements of (a business order) c: to bring to an end d: to measure up to : satisfy
3 a: to convert into reality b: to develop the full potentialities of

A very interesting word to add on to the end of a statement no? Can go either way really .


Again compared with this -
It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." Luke 16:17

THIS -
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets." Jesus, Matthew 5:17

With one of the above definitions above added to the end, makes things rather suspect and creats yet another bible contradiction.

A contradiction is an error, making the bible in error and as god is inerrant it cannot be the word of god.

reply to post by Good Wolf


aways prefered the he didnt die he just went back to india had kids grew old and died happy theory

im a sucker for a happy ending .... which is a shame i think revelations is hilarious but not a happy ending for a god less god fearing heathen like myself

reply to post by moocowman


Makes you amazed at how the 4th century christians couldn't get the story strait, even after canonisation.

reply to post by noobfun


Why would you be afraid of the ramblings of a senile old man?

Originally posted by moocowman
reply to post by L.I.B.

 

DEFINITION - Fullfill
1archaic : to make full : fill
2 a: to put into effect : execute b: to meet the requirements of (a business order) c: to bring to an end d: to measure up to : satisfy
3 a: to convert into reality b: to develop the full potentialities of

A very interesting word to add on to the end of a statement no? Can go either way really .


Again compared with this -
It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." Luke 16:17

THIS -
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets." Jesus, Matthew 5:17

With one of the above definitions above added to the end, makes things rather suspect and creats yet another bible contradiction.

A contradiction is an error, making the bible in error and as god is inerrant it cannot be the word of god.

Which resource, bible edition, did you get your Matthew 5:17 from?

I don't deny that there are a great many contradictions in the bible. I think of the books of the bible as written by God-inspired men. And then the translators added their own fallibilities too, whether intentional or not is debatable I suppose.

Anyway, I'd like to read your edition.

Thanks

reply to post by L.I.B.


new king james at a guess

well thats what it looks like to me

reply to post by Good Wolf

becasue its senile old man that also happens to be a funny moustache and combover in the clouds

hitler was a scarry lil man, think how much scarier cloud hitler is with his army of SS angels

reply to post by noobfun


God that's a scary concept.

reply to post by noobfun


Nope, isn't that one. I've looked through 20 editions and have found none that don't include that last part in some fashion.

Thanks, though.

reply to post by Good Wolf
wonder if they still wear those nifty black uniforms

the SS were a bunch of somthing i cant say without getting banned but they sure had styish uniforms

a white equivalent just wouldnt be as nice