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Maybe I'm missing something here, since so many people are flagging and starring the OP, but what does Comet NEAT have to do with Nibiru? I watched the video but don't see any evidence of Nibiru, just a comet.


EDIT TO ADD:
I see the post right before me (we posted simultaneously, I guess) is conicidentally asking the same question.

[edit on 11/7/2008 by Soylent Green Is People]

Originally posted by Good_Vibrations

2012 is not bogus or a hoax there will be great changes that take place in and around that year because of the sun.

Thanks

Oh, so now the theory is that all of these mystical changes are going to originate from the Sun?

lol, I thought it was because we were going to cross through the Galactic Plane, a.k.a. the "Dark Rift."

LOL these theories change every week.

2012 is nothing but a bunch of B.S.!!!!!!!!!!!

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


The OP speaks of a clip from the presentation, where mr. Nassim Haramein claims that a comet passing the sun in 2003 were Niburu.
And that we should not have survived this.
The pictures he uses is from SOHO, and NASA & ESA says that this is the comet NEAT

It is between 1h44m and 1h56m into the part 2 of the video.

Edit: Read your post again, and what I replied you probably knew already and we both see the same thing, a comet...

[edit on 7/11/08 by muriaz]

Nassim Haramein looks like he taken too many drugs. I don't know how you can fall for this bull#.

reply to post by Diplomat


This is not the thread to discuss such 2012, but the sun does play a role in the original prediction that Western studies have found mostly originate from Mayan South America. Evidence of the 2012 prediction also has been found in Egypt, India, China and ancient Sumerian cultures. Just because a bunch of people have come along and interpreted the prediction in their own way such as the "Rapture" or have just plain made up their own prediction such as the plate shift doesn't discredit the event or the entire field of research and study that has been built on the original premise of a shift in consciousness.

That video was debunked months ago. Nothing to see here people.

This thread and anyone who believes the claim that oringinated this thread is stupid and by believing such without any actuual proof has shown their ability to think critically is non existent.

The most glaring hole in this argument is that had an object that large entered the solar system, ever, it would have been extremly bright in the sky and amteur astronomers would have been all over it. Pictures would have come out, the media would have found out, and so forth.


The planetx ideas are bogus, completely bogus. I think everyone should read the planet X section on www.badastronomy.com...


this is ridiculous. Seeing people who have no clue swallow stuff like this hook line and sinker with no real knowledge of the subject at hand further explains the sorry state of so called "UFO Research" when it is the same type of people involved therein.

Oh so now its a COMET.

Again the idea that NASA woud cover up a comet is bunk.
NASA has on more then one occasion, announced it when it appeared as if a comet or asteroid was inbound.

A few years back I still remember the headlines "Doomsday Asteroid to strike Earth in 2030!" NASA had no problem announcing it when they believed the Earth was in danger. Of course later measurements showed the comet will miss by a fraction.

And just last year NASA announced discovery of a NEO that will pas very close in 2029, and if it passes through a "Keyhole" area, gravity will change its orbit slightly and bring it on a collision course with Earth 6 years later.

NASA has had no problem announcing these things, so the idea that this comet is somehow "Special" is pure bull#.

Originally posted by Tgautier13
reply to post by Diplomat

 

This is not the thread to discuss such 2012, but the sun does play a role in the original prediction that Western studies have found mostly originate from Mayan South America. Evidence of the 2012 prediction also has been found in Egypt, India, China and ancient Sumerian cultures. Just because a bunch of people have come along and interpreted the prediction in their own way such as the "Rapture" or have just plain made up their own prediction such as the plate shift doesn't discredit the event or the entire field of research and study that has been built on the original premise of a shift in consciousness.

Nothing will happen in 2012. An no, 2012 prophecies do not span across cultures. What people have done is taken mythologies from various cultures and twisted them to mean that, such as done with the Chinese I-ching which wasnt meant to be prophetic in nature in the first place.
In 2013 all the 2012 proponents will be subject to intense ridicule, and deservedly so, for you would swallow any piece of meta physical bullcrap that cae your way so long a someone drops a few sprinkles onto the hunky brown mass of turd. Sprinkles in this case being pseudo science and "evidence" which isnt really evidence of anything, along with exaggerated claims and predictions.



The simple fact is every time on this board I have seen a post with a subject line

REAL PROOF OF

it turns out to be bull#. From grainy UFO photos, to psuedo scientific
"documentaries" its all the same.
Crap.

[edit on 7-11-2008 by NavalFC]

Hey where is OzWeatherman?
He should be here by now..
Just kidding Oz.
I respect your opinion

Okey Dokey Part 1 just linking in with catholic prophecy at first:

Most of this stuff is in my own Notes and printed pages so I am keenly trying to source everything, and find it too hopefully tonight, the ancient Vatican quotes etc but for starters,

By posting all of this I am in know way supporting the OP or his sources, just bringing together relevant and supporting science and links and events that will allow us all to make a proper exploration, and "Opinion" lol on the information put forward and its validity or not.

Then hopefully we can debunk properly or maybe not as may be the case!

Now the following:

Is a Visitation of Mary (Mother of Jesus) in Bayside New York in 1988, I Don’t know what month and I will get links for all this, just gathering the information first ok:

These were visions very similar to things such as Fatima etc where people experienced Trance states and Messages supposedly from the Virgin Mary (mother of Jesus) (Maybe UFO??) as warnings, and also guidance to Earth and humankind.
These particular visitations, the Bayside ones were in fact not accepted by the Catholic Church, as official unlike many others.

I’ve noted here on my info that it was felt by the bishop investigating that

"Some of the information and guidance was not in accord with the Catholic Church's teachings"

Though I am not sure why.
This though does not mean it was not the same thing as witnessed in Fatima etc and it strongly supports the OP

Ok bear with me won’t be verbatim my writing is old and quite hastily done but this is what this "Mary" said and my notes read as:

The Ball Of Redemption
I am your mother and am very depressed in knowing what is soon coming upon all of mankind.

I see a ball, coming beyond the earth, a large ball. Were it placed next to the sun, this ball would be like two suns in the sky.

But it is a ball of destruction, and I tell you, My children, We have been attempting to hold this back with all manners of graces, and fasting, and suffering.

But the Father says, 'Look, My child'; He said to look deep into the sky.

Human eyes cannot perceive yet what is up there, but there is a ball, to mankind known as 'unknown origin.'

But it is not unknown: it is the Ball of Redemption.

Do not be scared child, you must see this, unless you repent and penance as instructed, this will come to mankind before this century ends.

Your human eyes cannot perceive yet what is up there, but there is a ball, to mankind known as 'unknown origin.' But it is not unknown: it is the Ball of Redemption.

"Do not be frightened My child, you must see this, for it is important. Within this century this Ball will be sent upon mankind.

My child, I took you from your sickness to bring you here, to see this and so tell the world how to prepare now.

It is becoming too late. We have beseeched too mankind those who hear, and have had great cooperation from many, say child, tell Rome to instruct mankind, Look up, and see what lies beyond your windows:

A Ball of redemption that is fast hurtling towards earth! It will be here within this century, if not sooner. For even the scientists, have failed to recognize the speed of this Ball."

(Elf Italics now the Message recipient Veronica- non italics the "Virgin Mary entity)
"I see a terrible huge globe, it is ablaze a globe of fire. It's frightening.
It is bouncing around, it has no control like it's not in any one place. It has bounced off another ball, it looks like a comet, and has actually destroyed the comet to the left"

This Ball of Redemption will not be ended as the one you saw, mankind has listened, but has not done our will as we asked in time, as We have told you (mankind), your covenant of mankind by Heaven's wishes, repeated requested for prayers and repentance of your sins and ills.

My own son came and shed his blood to lead you to do this.

This has not been done by enough(many) to please the Eternal Father. All must be on their knees, and pray for forgiveness of their sins, and the sins of Humankind. This is mankind's balance, and covenant"

I can see, on the right side, there's Michael (Archangel) and he is holding the balances in his hand. On one pan, there is gold and silver, but on the other, it looks like it is heaped with rocks.
Our blessed Lady is now touching Her lips, with a crucifix and then Her finger, like this?(elf ? don’t know)

My child, I came to tell you, look up and see, for even the scientists won’t see but you must repeat what you see."

Okay now I remember quite a few similar from the visitations of Mary over the last 100-200 years and some of them where accepted by the Vatican as actual "Supernatural" events.

As such they were accepted by the Catholic church as actual official visitations and prophecies, give me time to carry on digging and reading through my notes/books.

As to the Vatican involvement with looking for a Planet type object the following video interview is very very interesting, and in-fact may even be the closest to proof that the Vatican has in-fact been exploring space for this themselves in secret!

Apparently this Video Footage was released to an Italian investigative Journalist by a member of the VIS (Vatican Intelligence Service) a Jesuit
and shows maybe this Planetoid or the Globe mentioned above in space.

The claims were that in-fact the VIS were working with the top ends of Black Research in the US military/Alien layers of government, who used the fabled "Aurora" ship to investigate this, with a specialist probe funded and created by the Vatican's top secret scientist.



A picture from an apparent STS 2002 mission shows a frame showing this Aurora craft in space as well below:



A full interview with the source who receives the information from this VIS deep throat is below and should be watched, only if to see the true Scepticism of this source, and his lack of belief in any of these subjects before the meetings.
Interviewed by Project Camelot & Luca Scantamburlo:



Pic Source

Okay as shown by the OP source AND I WISH DEBUNKERS WOULD READ?WATCH FIRST THE OP SOURCE! the comet with a size twice that of Jupiter, seen coming close to the sun inside mercury's orbit in 2003 was from NASA footage itself SOHO.

In addition for all those stating well if NASA says it here is a paper discussing this very fact from an US Naval Observatory Scientist and held in Harvards Library, Used by NASA themselves and I quote:

The Motions of Neptune and Uranus cannot be adequately represented within the present gravitational knowledge of the solar system...

R.S.Hamilton US Naval Observatory 1988 - Sourced from Harvard University

Ok so now we are getting a bit real and gathering some supporting information for the OP from spiritual, scientific and whistle blowing sources, and no the discovery of "Eris" above does not explain in full the anomalies of the Neptune and Uranian orbits amongst others.

Why anyone thinks if Nasa says it its ok I don’t know, explain how the moon missions where in cases hundreds of feet of where they should be based on our understanding of gravity, its an anomaly and massive hole in our understanding of basic orbital and solar system science to this date?

As said READ before debunking this is an interesting place to start, and as the nature of the Thread I will just highlight the huge gap in Modern Nasa understanding of just Gravity and Orbits:

The Pioneer Anomaly

And the:

Flyby Anomaly affecting satellites now above your head UNEXPLAINED ORBITS

In a Nutshell our understanding of Orbital paths and gravity is WAY of including Nasa e.g.

Thirty years later, no explanation for this has been found. Each year the Pioneers fall a further 5,000km behind their projected paths. Hundreds of scientific papers have been written on the Pioneer anomalies, many of them trying to find explanations beyond the current laws of gravity.

Einstein JR Needed-The economist

So we can look at NASA information such as the NASA SOHO video in the OP showing the Comet in 2003, but NASA is without a doubt, even without any "Cover-up" shown above to not be that reliable in this field eh?

Will post more as I dig it out, and collate that related to the OP and his sources, hope this helps intelligent discussion and analysis of this information.

Kind Regards,

Elf

Elf edit because I have BB code challenged personality :-)

[edit on 7-11-2008 by MischeviousElf]

Does this mean that that John Tether guy was wright about our asses being saved from a major catastrophic event that was to occur in 2003. If so who saved us and by what means?

reply to post by NavalFC


I see alot of anger and resentment in your posts. Ask yourself this question: what is the purpose of typing a message for the sole reason of railing against a certain group of people, or an argument? What good does it do yourself to wallow in such negative thoughts so much as to manifest them and project them onto others?

You have differing opinions than somebody. Great, thats natural, and will always be a common phenomena you will experience throughout your lifetime. There will always be threads, or should I say topics and ideas, such as this one. Will you spend the rest of your life trying convince people who believe a certain way to believe something else? Or will you put your energy to good use and provide insight into topics that interest you and try and provide a greater insight?

I only ask this because I have never seen the point of going into threads that don't resonate with oneself and just totally trash the topics being discussed and try to derail the subject. It just... makes no sense. You have a certain opinion regarding !@#$. Someone else has another opinion regarding !@#$. Do you feel you can somehow make a profound impact on that person's way of thinking by needlessly spreading negative energy? The fact is you have brought nothing profound to the table here, and you have only succeeded in outwardly manifesting darkness dwelling within yourself for everyone to experience and for you especially to dwell in by bringing the objective into the subjective.

Now, I would like to kindly ask all those who seek no other reason other than to provide a sentence or even some cases just a phrase of discontent or differing opinion to please leave this thread for others to discuss without having to see the discussion derailed in anyway. Notice I did not say those who have evidence or a well structured rebuttal at least partially as encompassing as the OP's initial topic provided to leave. By all means contribute to this discussion. I just hope I'm not asking for too much out of some of the users of this website.

Namaste.

Ok this guy says he got kicked out of physics conference and tells our sun is a black hole. Need I watch more?

Please people understand real astronomers/scientists get email from these kind of guys all the time. These crazy theories simply do not hold. It is very boring but true. He cannot throw away 100 years of experimental data.

Now, Mr. Hassim could show some experimental proof for his stuff but he can't. Real proof is different from "hey i have this cool video" proof you are so fond of here.

Anyone who really knows about these things just laughs at his studies.

And yes, I stopped watching the video as soon as he presented his "sun is a black hole" thing. That statement alone kills his credibility of whatever he says later. Thank you.

Interesting website btw.

Originally posted by Tgautier13
reply to post by NavalFC

 

I see alot of anger and resentment in your posts. Ask yourself this question: what is the purpose of typing a message for the sole reason of railing against a certain group of people, or an argument? What good does it do yourself to wallow in such negative thoughts so much as to manifest them and project them onto others?

You have differing opinions than somebody. Great, thats natural, and will always be a common phenomena you will experience throughout your lifetime. There will always be threads, or should I say topics and ideas, such as this one. Will you spend the rest of your life trying convince people who believe a certain way to believe something else? Or will you put your energy to good use and provide insight into topics that interest you and try and provide a greater insight?

I only ask this because I have never seen the point of going into threads that don't resonate with oneself and just totally trash the topics being discussed and try to derail the subject. It just... makes no sense. You have a certain opinion regarding !@#$. Someone else has another opinion regarding !@#$. Do you feel you can somehow make a profound impact on that person's way of thinking by needlessly spreading negative energy? The fact is you have brought nothing profound to the table here, and you have only succeeded in outwardly manifesting darkness dwelling within yourself for everyone to experience and for you especially to dwell in by bringing the objective into the subjective.

Now, I would like to kindly ask all those who seek no other reason other than to provide a sentence or even some cases just a phrase of discontent or differing opinion to please leave this thread for others to discuss without having to see the discussion derailed in anyway. Notice I did not say those who have evidence or a well structured rebuttal at least partially as encompassing as the OP's initial topic provided to leave. By all means contribute to this discussion. I just hope I'm not asking for too much out of some of the users of this website.

Namaste.

Negative thoughts? tear everyone down? Keep your pseudo spiritual bullcrap to yourself. the Post wasnt angry.
I was debunking thhe premise of this whole thread, which I did nicely showing that Niburu doesnt exist and that NASAs own behavior is contrary to the idea of a "comet covrup" seeing as they have announced doomsday objects before, but instead of trying to debate my ideas you attack me instead given that you have no other avenue.

Originally posted by v01i0
Didn't impress. Would an object twice size of Jupiter pass accross our solar system, we would feel it.

[edit on 7-11-2008 by v01i0]

so let me get this straight...

when we're on one side of the solar system, and Jupiter and Saturn are on the complete other side...

we "feel it" when we're on the same side as they, and are much more close to them?



i haven't felt it.

do you mean like.. only a group of super sensitive psychics will "feel it"?

I mean if we can't feel Saturn and Jupiter combined.. then why would we feel a planet twice the mass of Jupiter?

Saturn's (relatively) near the mass of Jupiter, so being far away from them, then close to them, would be comparable to being far away from this "2x mass Jupiter object" .. then eventually "close" to it.

I guess I'm not as sensitive astrologically as these people who are supposedly "feeling it".


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reply to post by Good_Vibrations


You had there for a Minute, and then the Guy on Vid telling about
the Earth having a Black Hole in the Center of Earth. yeah, like it's not
big hole, it's probably only like, um well a small probably about the
size of um well you know like about um that big.

Very Scientific, I'm Impressed and I Impress really easy.

reply to post by NavalFC


If that is how you wish to interpret the message that is fine with me. Like I said earlier it is fruitless to attempt to convince a person to think something other than what they do by trying to present or force your own opinion onto them. Your choice of language also doesn't help, and that is where I was coming from when I said your post was 'angry'. Words such as 'bullcrap' resonate a certain way within people, and I feel you understood this and is the reason you used it to try and enforce your own opinion as truth while painting opinions which differed from your own as false or somehow below. These are just ways of feeding the ego, which you should come to recognize and be able to control in the future.

Also, one last bit of advice before I let this subject drop, for I do not wish to derail the topic any further. Thinking in absolutes is not healthy at all. I'm sorry, but you have no evidence that Nibiru is fake. Just like the OP has no evidence that Nibiru is real. There is no way of understanding this either way. By all means keep your opinions close to you, but don't be tricked into believing anything is more real or fake than any other thing. All experience is relative. I truly hope you understand this.

Like I said, I'm done with this subject with you, because this not the time nor the place to discuss really what is a trivial matter in the first place. I was merely trying to explain to you how there is no point going about a subject in the manner that you did, because all it really does is detract from the overall debate or experience if you will. I'm truly sorry you saw my words as an attack. Feel free to reply to this message if you like, just know no matter what you say I will not give you a response.

Namaste

Originally posted by Tgautier13
reply to post by NavalFC

 

If that is how you wish to interpret the message that is fine with me.

Like I said earlier it is fruitless to attempt to convince a person to think something other than what they do by trying to present or force your own opinion onto them. Your choice of language also doesn't help, and that is where I was coming from when I said your post was 'angry'. Words such as 'bullcrap' resonate a certain way within people, and I feel you understood this and is the reason you used it to try and enforce your own opinion as truth while painting opinions which differed from your own as false or somehow below. These are just ways of feeding the ego, which you should come to recognize and be able to control in the future.

Also, one last bit of advice before I let this subject drop, for I do not wish to derail the topic any further. Thinking in absolutes is not healthy at all. I'm sorry, but you have no evidence that Nibiru is fake. Just like the OP has no evidence that Nibiru is real. There is no way of understanding this either way. By all means keep your opinions close to you, but don't be tricked into believing anything is more real or fake than any other thing. All experience is relative. I truly hope you understand this.

Like I said, I'm done with this subject with you, because this not the time nor the place to discuss really what is a trivial matter in the first place. I was merely trying to explain to you how there is no point going about a subject in the manner that you did, because all it really does is detract from the overall debate or experience if you will. I'm truly sorry you saw my words as an attack. Feel free to reply to this message if you like, just know no matter what you say I will not give you a response.

Namaste

Thee is plenty of evidence niburu is fake, the thing is the willfully ignorant such as you choose to ignore it.
If niiburu existed, and followed the path that has been described, it would be immensely bright.
Everyone who had a telescope would be able to see it. There would be no hiding it.
Niburu has been debunked tme and time again. the most comphrehensive debunking is on badastronomy.com
I didnt force my opinion down anyones throat, i illustrated WHY this planet does not exist.
Dont make this out to be some sort of even handed argument wear neither side has proof because that is bullocks.
Niburu does not exist. Plane and simple.
I am going to call out ignorance where ever I see it.

Again, you try and attack me, instead of the actual basis of my post, and the fact that you have already said you wont respond is an indication of just how little you have to stand on.

reply to post by prevenge


Hmm... I would have to say we don't 'feel' Saturn and Jupiter's presence per se, but our lives are affected by them. What would happen if Jupiter and Saturn were yanked from our Solar System? I would have to say our rotation around the Sun would be thrown completely out of whack, as their own magnetic pull and rotation is crucial to our own, just as our moon's rotation is relative to our tides. If a comet the size of what the OP's message describes did pass through our Solar System, science would tell us its own magnetic pull would affect our life and environment catastrophically; hence 'feeling' it. Yet here we are with at least some kind of video evidence (not proof) that an object did indeed pass through our Solar System. The question is then how did it do this relatively undetected, and how were we not affected? Nassim himself stated in the video he does not know.