32 people killed every single day

Originally posted by calihan123

Originally posted by schism85
Have you ever heard of home protection? If someone busts in your house some day with a gun, you will not be singing that same tune.

listen to yourself. if someone comes into your house with a gun...

exactly my point. they wouldnt HAVE a gun if they werent allowed.

Calihan, how many men/women are you able to fight off and survive if all they had for a weapon was a baseball bat?

The reason I ask is simple, go ahead and some how take the firearms form the citizen that causes no harm and then those that do evil won't need a gun. The pickin's will be very easy for them and the dead will pile up.

Roper

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I don’t keep my guns for the situations I can think of; because most of the situations I can think of, I can get out of, without using a weapon or at least try to anyway. I keep a gun for all the situations I CAN’T think of.


Oh and another thing, in an earlier post you asked how would you feel if a family member were shot with a gun, or something to that effect? My husband was shot dead in our home in front of myself and our 4 year old son (no, we did not live in the ghetto). We walked into a robbery. Instead of shooting off a round and running out of our house the guy (startled by us and blitzed out of his mind) unloaded a clip into my husband and then ran…with a carton of cigarettes and a drill. Had I been carrying a pistol then, I may have been able to do something.

I think you will have a difficult time finding people on this board to support your position.

Originally posted by MrPenny
Guns? Worry about guns....?

Roughly 1500 deaths a day from cancer in the united states.....117 persons, on average, die as a result of a vehicle accident. Millions worldwide, every year, most of them children, die as a result of hunger.

In developing countries nearly 16 million children die every year from preventable and treatable causes. Sixty percent of these deaths are from hunger and malnutrition.

In the United States, 11.7 million children live in households where people have to skip meals or eat less to make ends meet. That means one in ten households in the U.S. are living with hunger or are at risk of hunger. Read it here.

And you're worried about guns?

You realise if those people lived we'd be in a far worse situation than we are now. Nature has a way of balancing things out.

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Heres what I dont get. Why do people always think about the possibilities of other countries nuking us, or our own government killing us, or some sort of genocide, and not about the fact that on average, every single day in america 32 people are killed in gun violence. 32 people a day. And we are so concerned with everything BUT what is happening in our own cities. Our own neighboorhoods.

32 people a day in the US.
500 people a day in Iraq.

Originally posted by calihan123
why do you need a gun to protect yourself?
no one has mentioned once pepper spray (which actually can do a lot of help) , no one has mentioned taking self defense classes.

If you are in fact female you need a reality check. If a 200 lb guy, or TWO 200 lb guys decide to assault you or break into your home you are going to need a LOT more than "self defense classes". Males are on average 3 times as strong as women, they hit you ONCE in the face and you are down for the count my dear.

If that is the only choice then fine. But smart women realize most males could mop the floor with females if they felt like it, and it is stupid to "play fair" and go hand to hand. Women that think they are physically equal to males, and they only need to learn how to "kick them in the balls" are truly being played for fools. And mace is not much better, wind blows the wrong way you are in trouble, if the assailant is high on drugs mace might not have any effect at all. But you don't know this because you don't research any of this huh? You just tell OTHERS what they should and should not do to protect themselves.

You also said "well if guns were illegal then NO ONE would have them". Haha...that was cute. Heroin is illegal. Does that mean there is no heroin in the U.S.? Where does it come from, huh??? Marijuana is illegal. Always has been, know anyone that has marijuana? Illegal firearms are the same way. There is a market for firearms in this country, and there will ALWAYS be a supply. Make them illegal and you just made it so only criminals will keep them.


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Argh, once again, its the person with the weapon and not the weapon that causes damage and death. Dismantle all the guns, bombs, and other weapons and you'll just make people revert to throwing rocks and swinging sticks. Humans are the problem, not the weapons. As long as there are more than one person on this earth there will never be peace and I would put money on the last person on earth eventually losing his/her mind and committing suicide in one last act of violence on the human race.

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Dont worry man , like i said its just a sick fantasy i entertain every so often.

What worries me is how you came up with the last thought that the last person on the planet would top themselves. What has happened in the world that someone can come up with a thought like this. You have actually shocked me with that image. Its not that bad. We're gonna be ok. I think you need a hug. I'm gonna send you a hug from my soul. I'm sending it now.

Peace.

calihan123 , I totally disagree with you about the gun issue.

However, I totally admire you for standing toe to toe against all of us that have disagreed with you. That says a lot about you. Many people would have gave up a long time ago.

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We don't need to get rid of guns, we just need to get rid of stupid people with guns. Responsible people with guns, use them to protect themselves.

Well said. guns don't kill people, people kill people. If we had stronger laws against people who break the law it would decrease. get rid of these stupid thugs and gangs, that would be a start.

You and all your "liberal" friends have no right to strip me of my own personal protection. Try to do so, and I will use my means of protection to protect myself from you. Guns do not cause deaths; idiots and criminals do. I dont see you in here advocating genocide against them.

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I'm sorry that you lost your husband in such a terrible fashion.

All the best.

Roper

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Ok before jumping to the whole Anit-Gun point of view alcohol is far more deadly and claims 95 people per day not including accidents amd homicides. I think if you are going to boast about how bad guns are you should maybe think about how bad alcohol is. Maybe we start prohibition again, we know how well that worked.

It's the person, I agree.
So what do we do with them?
That's the question.


Entertain this thought for a second:
Imagine locking two groups of five people in a large room, with enough food inside to last them their lives. Things would probally go good for a while, you know, but with a lack of laws and structure, things are, eventualy (sooner rather then later) going to go to hell. People are going to start fighting with each other for various reasons (accusing someone of stealing their food, someone gets cheated on, two people get drunk and start throwing punches untill one dies) and, I belive, eventually the group will split apart into two (or three) factions. Violence will insue no matter what, but adding guns to the mix is only going to get people killed quicker.
Humans are extremly social and potentialy violent creatures.

That said, almost anything in the wrong hands can be dangerous.
Weapons, authority, power, wealth, religion...
you name it. But, also, most everything has the power to work under the right hands. Power, wealth, religon...even under a the right hands, a dictatorship can be benifecial.

Originally posted by calihan123
id like you to tell me then why these other countries only have a few murders per year, and they dont allow guns.

help me understand that issue if you are going to try and make a point about this

Ok I will give you some reasons. Our media and Government create fear every minute of the day. They create division and point it out to us with what they call "news". Our Government runs the bad drugs into our country Cocaine, heroine and make sure it get distributed in the inner cities...this is fact look it up.

They have many ways of creating these horrors and do it so you will want them to protect you, instead of you protecting you. They do it so more people like you will start getting on the ban guns bandwagon. They want us disarmed not because it is harmful to us, but will one day be harmful to them. Canada has plenty of guns but not the gun violence. The reason being is they are not creating all this strife amongst its people.

They want us to fear the stranger, your friends, your family members, even your children. Fear sells and controls. The reason is fear, fear fear.

To all the pro-gun people on here...

The next time some disillusioned kid goes on a rampage in a school or college, stalking the class rooms, one by one executing your children in cold blood, then PLEASE don't mention it on this website... Unless of course you believe that those children would have eventually died in a vehicle accident or developed cancer at some point of their lives anyway....

Why, oh why... Can't the gun freaks accept that GUNS KILL PEOPLE?

Blind fools.... Always blaming it on the poor people in the ghetto or whatever....

So, remember the next time some psycho kid goes on a rampage, don't mention how much of a tragedy it was..... Instead post some statistics of how many people die by choking on bacon rind, or slipping on ice...

Calihan,
The pepper spray you talk about is not as bad as you make it out to be. Commercial pepper spray, if used on most bad guys, only makes them sneeze and very mad. It is NOT a deterant. Also, in most states to carry pepper spray legaly you have to jump through the same hoops as someone who wants a CCW. Why not carry a real weapon? Real CS is not even available legaly to regular citizens. Only LEO and Military. And believe me, I have been sprayed with both, give me pepper spray anyday. Its very easy to shake off. The other is debilitating to extremes!!

Zindo

Originally posted by calihan123
im talking about a situation we could actually change.

cancer we cant. vehicles we cant. but guns we can.

I know... the US would be such a better place if there were 32 deaths each day from knives rather than guns. If only that pesky US constitution of ours wasn't in the way?

Your idea I'm guessing you have that only criminals should own guns would be an extreme failure, just like it was in Australia. Also, we could no longer defend the constitution as well without guns.

Gun ownership is one of the most important rights the constitution gives us.

Try telling cancer can't be changed to the many individuals who together have cured either most or all cancers, and the ones researching its cure.

Try telling vehicle deaths can't be reduced to the people who designed air bags.

All deaths can be reduced, and the important ones to change are the heart attack & stroke deaths, since most cancers have been cured now.

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Having a "culture" of gun ownership complicates matters. The device transcends functionality and has become en-grown into peoples identities ,both singularly and as a collective . It has found its way into your myths & fables , from John Wayne to Arnold Schwarzenegger and as such will be very difficult to extricate.

There are citizens of all nations who own guns - shotguns and rifles predominately , but its the saturation of gun-ownership that is at the crux of the matter with tremendous amounts of weapons in relatively dense population centres .

But hey , I`m not a U.S citizen so what do i know !

My police force are unarmed , except for a Rapid Reaction Force to deal with serious crime (gangland)....
Police brutality at worst would involve you getting a bad bludgeoning , chances are the cop would run out of breath before he could apply the coup de grace ,
No bullets holes , just a head that looked like a bee-keepers apprentice .

Originally posted by calihan123
Wow. Obviously NONE of you understood the thread in the first place.

I don't think you understand it at all.

Im simply saying, too many people in this country have guns. They dont effing need one. Unless you are using it for sport or for your damn job, dont have one.

Don't effing tell me what to do with a lame argument. If you cant state your point without swearing, you have no point to make and are trying to disguise it.

It only corrects everything i was saying, because all of you are getting so damn defensive about guns. You are so reliable on a tool that is used for the sole purpose to kill someone... it amazes me. Every single person said they want a gun.

Guns serve many duties other than killing.

They stop serial rapists in their tracks.
blogs.kansascity.com...
Or perhaps you think ladies should just lay back and try to enjoy it?

I was going to list a bunch of other items that they can do with links to back it up but.....actually, you know what? I give up. Arguing with antis is like shouting at a pile of poo and you get the same results. Go on thinking whatever you want. Just let me tell you something.

No-one has ever ever ever tried to force someone who was anti-gun to go buy a gun. But the antis for some reason feel the need to try to force everyone else to feel their way....... Who is acting more mature here?


[quote]A car can drive you.
It can also run you over and kill you when drivin by someone who wants do do you harm.Much like the following video where a drunk runs over a fireman trying to escape the cops.

Perhaps you think thats not a problem though...
Or what about the woman who SMASHED THROUGH A CROWDED LOBBY to try to kill her husband?

A knife can cut your food.

And some people will try to use that same knife to stab you.

A gun is only used to kill. Why DO YOU HAVE ONE?]quote]

I have one because I don't want to be a victim when the true criminals come for me. That may be fine for you, but not me. Maybe in your imaginary world where cars only drive people to work and knives are only used to spread butter, guns are not needed. In the real world they are.

End of my discussion.

Typical, say "end of discussion" so you don't have to deal with the responses to your post.



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Originally posted by calihan123

Originally posted by scientist

Originally posted by calihan123
because guns are an easy way to kill. without them people wouldnt go through the same effort with stabbings. a gun is a simple shot and your dead. any other method if killing isnt so easy.

right, because before guns, murder was just too hard that nobody bothered. Come on now.

id like you to tell me then why these other countries only have a few murders per year, and they dont allow guns.

help me understand that issue if you are going to try and make a point about this

? Please inform us "which countries only have a few murders", you are already seeing some statistics posted that are proving your emotional bias against guns are just that, emotional without facts to back up that emotion. Have you had a family member or friend harmed by guns?

Originally posted by calihan123
id like you to tell me then why these other countries only have a few murders per year, and they dont allow guns.

help me understand that issue if you are going to try and make a point about this

Can you explain why other countries that have MORE guns have far fewer murders? Like Norway? Switzerland has assault weapons in most Swiss households (national guard) and yet the Swiss have a very low murder rate too!

Do you realize that 49% of all murders in the U.S. are committed by one specific group that makes up 6% of our population? Do you realize that those "other countries" do not have that same demographic? Norway doesn't have the 6%, Norway has lots of guns and very few murders.

Take the 6% out of the equation and the murder rates in the U.S. would be about the same as Canada or many European countries.

Originally posted by TilokeTypical, say "end of discussion" so you don't have to deal with the responses to your post.

I agree, the OP started this thread to lecture others on a topic she has not researched, and when it becomes apparent she does not have any real facts to back up her argument she simply says "end of discussion". Very weak indeed.

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