Obama Election Results: 333 Electoral Votes @ 11PM EST

Originally posted by mattguy404

Originally posted by Theonejudgesyou
Now that Obama is President-Elect, I will no longer go to bed feeling save. I will worry about the safety of my family, my children, and my children's children.

I worry about what rights will be taken away from me and mine.

If you all wanted Bush out and no McCain, why not choose ANYONE other than Baraq Hussein Obama?

May you all live to see the Dawn! (Prince said it, I took it with a whole new meaning.)

If anything, you should feel safer.

Quite honestly, I've had a lot of hate that I was harboring towards the US completely melt away today. There's lots to be done, and the US is still a sole hyperpower, but I think you'll find the world has taken a collective sigh of relief.

[edit on 5-11-2008 by mattguy404]

I would agree with the latter. Obama automatically wins at foreign policy, the US now has a new chance with the world. I feel safe living in a border city to the US going to bed without having to worry about being nuked any more.

It feels like a giant weight has been lifted off the shoulders of the entire world. It's pretty nice.

reply to post by Yarcofin

I share your sentiments. I live in Prague, just forty miles or so from where "W" and his cronies want to built their "anti-missile defense radar system" that Putin warned is provocation and is a first-strike target, a target that is only five miles from where for years I've spent my peaceful weekends in a small cabin in a sleepy little village... a place where the locals are just decent and honest country folks who don't understand that they and I are just pawns in a bigger political game...

Now we might have a chance that those Russian warheads will not be fired at us, because now, that needless radar station may never be built. I tell you, we feared it and that fear grew and grew. Now, with a leader who is willing to talk to others who aren't on the "good friends" list, we have a chance that we're not pawns that will be sacrificed.

Ad there are many other people in other lands who have had those same fears, and who now see a ray of hope.

And yes, that's a good feeling.

Well I'm glad the lesser of two evils won and even more glad to see the back of Bush, the Republicans and their lame foreign policy. Hopefully this is a step in the right direction, not just for America, but for the entire world. Peace!

For once in the last 7 years, i now feel some relief in that

we may avoid the world line of John titor's future horror. He

predicted (on ATS and other sites) a 2008 "he/she" president which

i took to be mccain/palin until this am.

Too many things are now different in our worldline from his.

We may still - possibly - have a good chance at avoiding civil

war (unless he is shot), middle eastern nuclear war (unless iran launches),

and N-day (unless we deploy a stupid missile shield in the Balkans, while

russia really never did anything to us for over a decade).

God speed, and good luck to the new republic, may some good times last.

Originally posted by Malfeitor
I will, however, point out that among all of the words in his speech tonight, he never once used the word "freedom."

Just put aside his charismatic manner of speech and think about that.

He did, however use the word "liberty" twice.

This might be especially meaningful to you:

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Let us resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long. Let us remember that it was a man from this state who first carried the banner of the Republican Party to the White House - a party founded on the values of self-reliance, individual liberty, and national unity. Those are values we all share, and while the Democratic Party has won a great victory tonight, we do so with a measure of humility and determination to heal the divides that have held back our progress.
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And to all those who have wondered if America's beacon still burns as bright - tonight we proved once more that the true strength of our nation comes not from our the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals: democracy, liberty, opportunity, and unyielding hope.

Merriam Webster:

liberty: 1: the quality or state of being free: a: the power to do as one pleases b: freedom from physical restraint c: freedom from arbitrary or despotic control d: the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges e: the power of choice

So, just put aside the same partisanship and pettiness, and think about that.

Please.

Originally posted by Yarcofin
It feels like a giant weight has been lifted off the shoulders of the entire world. It's pretty nice.

I couldn't say it better!

Though they didn't call it, yet, Obama got North Carolina and McCain got Missouri. So its 364 to 173 if I remember the Electoral count right. Wait, as I was posting this Missouri HAS BEEN CALLED for John McCain. So the official count is 349 to 173, until North Carolina is called but last I saw he had a lead of about a few thousand.

The question now is, will he deliver? Once he is in the White House can he do what he said he would do? He said in his speech last night that it might not get done right away or even in his time but we will get it done. That sounds like he knows all the stuff he said was hogwash. I guess we'll see in four years if he's the same man then as he was on the campaign trail. Everything is hunky dori for now but just wait and see if the American problems stick around or go away. Obama still didn't beat Reagan's 1980 electoral votes of 489 and in 1984 he received 525 out of 538. Now that's a landslide.

Last night when I got out of work Detroit ERUPTED! Cars started honking, people were shouting everywhere. It was an instant celebration! People screamed OBAMA! There was shouting and a sense of Joy I had never felt in Detroit. I was hugged a few times by people that the day before wouldn't have looked at me in disdain. What I saw last night in Detroit was beautiful.

But there is cause for worry. What I thought was interesting when I looked at the electoral map last night, is that I thought it looked quite familiar.


2008 Election CNN Projections

Then it dawned on me.



1864 Civil War Divisions.

There obviously is cause to worry, there is obviously cause for celebration as well.

This is indeed an historic election. But I see history repeating itself. Remember also this similarity, Abraham Lincoln was a U.S. Representative. (Yes I do understand that Lincoln was a GOP member, and the first Republican to be elected to the presidency)

What is interesting to me is that in 147 years, we now have come full circle and have arrived in the same spot we were when Lincoln took office.

With the emergence of the Republicans as the nation's first major sectional party by the mid-1850s, politics became the stage on which sectional tensions were played out. Although much of the West – the focal point of sectional tensions – was unfit for cotton cultivation, Southern secessionists read the political fallout as a sign that their power in national politics was rapidly weakening. Before, the slave system had been buttressed to an extent by the Democratic Party, which was increasingly seen as representing a more pro-Southern position that unfairly permitted Southerners to prevail in the nation's territories and to dominate national policy before the Civil War. But they suffered a significant reverse in the electoral realignment of the mid-1850s. 1860 was a critical election that marked a stark change in existing patterns of party loyalties among groups of voters; Abraham Lincoln's election was a watershed in the balance of power of competing national and parochial interests and affiliations.

Source: Wikipedia.com

Race may no longer divide us as much as it did in 1861, but new threats to our Union continue to do so. Our nation is in crisis, and it is my hope that our new incumbent has the foresight to remember history, and not let it repeat itself.

I see old wounds torn open once again, fueled by old hatreds, and new issues. A stage has been set here people. What plays out on that stage is any one's guess. But just look at what people today see as our most pertinent problems. And look to history and find those same problems shown in a different light.





[edit on 11/5/2008 by whatukno]

Looks like two years before we get a chance to change any leadership, four years before Obama is helpd accountable, and SIX Years before we get the chance to get rid of the idiots we just elected to the Senate.

The sole saving grace is that it appears that the Dims will not have their magic 60 seats in the Senate to be filibuster proof.

I predict a very bad four years coming.

President Elect Barrack Hussein Obama. What a country.

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Ah but Obama got North Carolina, Florida, and Virginia. So that kind of kills the North South deal of the Civil War.

[edit on 5-11-2008 by GamerGal]

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Please forgive my map as it does have some inaccuracies in it.

North Carolina and Virginia were certainly battleground states. But what is interesting is the states south of the Mason-Dixon Line. Or the core of the confederacy, sided with McCain.

Other things besides the political map have some eerie similarities to what went on in the Civil War.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Malfeitor
I will, however, point out that among all of the words in his speech tonight, he never once used the word "freedom."

Just put aside his charismatic manner of speech and think about that.

He did, however use the word "liberty" twice.

So, just put aside the same partisanship and pettiness, and think about that.

Please.

No partisanship or pettiness here; I've no love for either party, and feel that McCain was at probably as bad for the country as Obama. I'm not one of the typical campaign idiots who watches Fox and sways to the rythm of the most convincing candidate, either. I study the facts, and the fact of the matter is that we were forced to choose between the lesser of two evils for this election. We had an old white idiot and a young black idiot. Sure, the old white idiot had plenty of experience, but he was terrible at public speaking and clearly had other idiots running his campaign (plumbers make 200k?). The young black idiot, on the other hand, was a brilliant public speaker and ran an excellent campaign. Simple fact, he won fair and sounds entirely better than McCain.
However (and you will judge me for saying it), the inexperience of Obama, when paired with the clearly socialistic tendencies of his policies, make my thoughts tend to stray towards stocking supplies and living in a cave. Oh yes, his redistribution of wealth program sounds wonderful, and his tax plan looks great; the basic principles of these policies were founded in socialist republics, and it didn't work out for them, either.
Beyond that, with so many baby boomers getting ready to collect their social security in the next decade, our economy is about to do a bellyflop; Obama's plan will ensure that we won't be able to recover. Do your research. There is a film called I.O.U.S.A. you should watch if you would like to know more about the national deficit, and a host of inexperienced world leaders from the past from which you may learn.
Maybe I'm wrong, though. I hope so, because if I'm right, my little dream of a family may be replaced by the nightmare of warfare. Cheers.

333 is supposed to be the number of the Devil's Son . . . The Anti-Christ ... ?

~Spike

Originally posted by Spike777
333 is supposed to be the number of the Devil's Son . . . The Anti-Christ ... ?

Nope, just means he's half as evil!

Hey, I call dibs on the top bunk when Obama sets up his reeducation camps!

Originally posted by Malfeitor
I study the facts, and the fact of the matter is that we were forced to choose between the lesser of two evils for this election.

That's not a fact, that's an opinion. Many Americans did NOT choose the lesser of two evils. You're certainly free to have your opinion on it, but you cannot take away mine by calling yours "fact".

Your complaint was that he didn't say the word "freedom" once. I saw someone else complain that he didn't mention his mother... Does he have to say all the right words and mention his mother in every speech? That's silly. That's petty.

However (and you will judge me for saying it), the inexperience of Obama, when paired with the clearly socialistic tendencies of his policies, make my thoughts tend to stray towards stocking supplies and living in a cave.

I do not judge you for that. Not at all! You are free to have your opinions about him. I'm thinking our stockpile might just go to waste.

our economy is about to do a bellyflop;

It already is.

I would like to point out that a few people and cultures has predicted that everything ends in 2012 Dec I believe, so if that is true Obama would be the last U.S. president. This has to have some significance even the bible mentions something of the fact.

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2012 is not the end of the world. Well, in as many words it is. Its a shift of conciousness for those who are mentally and spiritually healthy. Bible thumpers added in that little 'armageddon' scenario for 2012 many years after the predictions made by numerous ancient cultures.

Oh and for whoever above made the correlation with 333 and the anti christ what not.... the number of the beast is 616.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
WAKE UP PEOPLE

I have a good feeling here. I don't want to kill everyone's optimism here. I think Obama will be good and he will do good things for the world. It's a historic moment, no doubt. The first black President has been elected into office. Well, guess what people! THE BILDERBURG GROUP and all of these other conspiracies still exist, and, the UN, and, all these other nations are still trying to get an NWO.

Just who do you think put Bush into power? Who put Bush's father into power? Who put Nixon into power? Anyone that is chosen to president the United States was chosen by the same people who give the Bilnderburg group power. Bohemian Grove is not a fairy tale. The Rothschilds are not a fairy tale, and neither is the Federal Reserve. You want us to wake up? Are you serious? If you honestly think they'll put someone on the top that is a threat to their plans...you must be out of your mind. Out of all the people in this race...Ron Paul seemed the most genuine. In fact...Ron Paul made verbal attacks on the Federal Reserve and the powers that control it. He questioned them about 9/11...and what happened to him? The media painted him as the bad guy...and many people don't even know who he is. Think about that hard and long. America needs a new face...to re-establish lossed hope...and Obama is the perfect man for the job. The word naive doesn't describe the thought processes of anyone who supports Obama...or anyone that is US President. The US President doesn't work for you...he works for them. And this has been so for quite some time now. What exactly gives you the absurd idea that it has changed now? What?

I don't think there will be an NWO in our life time, but, I think Barack Obama will be good for the world.

Why? Because he is charismatic...and has a few nice ideas about tax?

I think while he may not be a miracle savior like some people suggest I think he's an honest guy, and, he really cares about the country.

You still don't get it. If he was an honest guy...he won't be working for the corrupt people he works for. No one can become the US President and not work for them...it's impossible. If you're not working for them...they will make sure you don't work at all.

It's a good thing he's inexperienced. If he was experienced you would see that this man would be for change but you would see NWO rhetoric in his speech.

You still don't get it.

I can tell you that this man is not an actor for the NWO. Hillary Clinton was an actress for the NWO, but, she didn't win.

And she didn't win because...as I said, America needed a new face. Hillary, as she stands, is highly suspect as it is. McCain is highly suspect as it is. Let me break this down simpler. The easiest way to gain people's trust...is to introduce something that seems new, and seems to oppose the old.

I must say, keep your tinfoil hats on people, if Obama tries to make changes they don't want, the NWO WILL SHUT HIM DOWN.

Am...there's an easier way to do this. Put the people in power who won't be a threat to them in the first place. C'mon, do you really, truly think that they'll put someone in power who questions or opposes them? That's not smart at all...is it?

I conclude that Obama will be good for the country, not a Bilderburg puppet, but, if he does something they don't like, he'll probably be killed, so, watch out for that.

I agree. However, I disagree that they'll put anyone in power whom they even think could be a threat. Why take a long route, when a short cut gets the job done much faster? Time waits for no man my friend, not the good guys...and not the bad guys. They do not have time to waste.

The citizens of the United States are supposed to own the Government...but the Federal Reserve owns the Government. Keep that in mind.

Edit for spelling.

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I think possibly the most important line in his whole speech was...

I may not have gotten your vote, but I am your President as well.

Refering to the people who did not support him in this election.

I was not an Obama supporter in this election, and I will not blindly give him my allegiance, he will have to earn my trust.

That being said I think we should give the man a chance.
Alot of mud has been thrown lately, and although he was the main target of alot of it, he extended a hand to those who did not support him.
He did not have to make any comment towards the people who did not support him but he did.

Even if Obama turns out to be a horrible president we should take something away from this, we can, and should stop looking at the differences between us, and focus on what we all have in common.

Everyone wants a change for the better, and whether Obama is the man to bring this to us or not, we should all focus on that one fact.