Do NIST's computer models meet the International Building Codes?

Hey, guys -- check this out... you can see the building shudder ... 1 2 3 its like a timed 1 2 3 jolts go through the building the first second ... gravity pulled the building down on the path of most resistance all the way down to below ground level... basically the building fell into its sub basement...
I did some preliminary measurements of the debris pile ... guys this was 47 stories and from street level to the highest point on the debris pile from what looks like ground level .. is only what 30 - 40 feet high ... less than a foot per floor ... if you add up all the horizonal gurters X 46 you end up higher than the debris pile ... so it must have gone down into the sub basement... "Ok", what failed in the sub basement...

Sources are a culmenation of photo's video's ... if you need to review - please but I think most of yall have seen the stuff I have ... well check out some of it and come back and lets debate this some more...

I just got off the phone with NIST -
they called again to clearify the data I wanted and I again told them -
we just want to verify the whole building was accounted for in their models.
they are claiming this is going to be expensive, guys ... we know the outcome is explosives thats the only known method that fits the facts. and free fall is impossible without explosives... and no matter how much data they provide they will not admit to explosives - so whats the point Griff...?

they claimed it was going to be expensive due to the terrabytes of data... I asked if they could just allow access to the data and we would suck it off their website and that would solve the labor cost issue... that did not go over well... so, I think I was talking to more than FOIA NIST. sort of like they were on a fishing expedition to find out what I know... and Im sorry but I too much about too many things and that would have taken a grand total of about 30 mins.... which isnt didilly in the scope of things.

[edit on 18-12-2008 by BornPatriot]

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So, to get the information that we the people paid for is going to cost us more money and lots of it? Figures.

No figures as of yet ... like I said, it was like an interogation more than clearification. but in all reality - boss, no matter what the price we Americans have to pay it to get to the bottom of this 911 cover-up crap. or we can never trust our government ever again. and I just dont see how we can survive without getting to the bottom of 911 and like all lies this one will be exposed as well. because you can not prove a lie... period.

Ok - Griff, we got the estimate $824.98 (good for 22 more days) the fine folks over at www.ae911truth.org... will be the fund raiser - and I will be the requester - delivery address. package arrives - Fedex 24hr to AE911.org.
Anticipated transaction: AE911truth.org will attempt to fund the purchase through the blogs. if not we need to pass the hat - and for that I think they are going to put up a SSL fund raiser for the purchase and then I want every one of you guys to pay them a visit... it shouldnt be a problem. the fine folks here at ATS ... so we are basically on hold for 10 more days and then we must hit a home run.... Ok ...



[edit on 23-1-2009 by BornPatriot]

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Keep us informed.

Again: Thanks for taking this upon yourself.

UPDATE: on contributions \ donations
To obtain data and models used for the collapse of WTC7

A&E911Truth:

AE will cut the check to NIST for the full amount. We are severely in the red at the moment so the origination can only throw in $200 or so.

I have posted the letter here:
www.ae911truth.org...

There's two ways to donate:

Checks can be mailed to:
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
2342 Shattuck Ave., Suite 189
Berkeley, CA 94704

Please put a note on the check earmarking it for the "NIST Data".

Or donations can be submitted online at the bottom of:
www.ae911truth.org...

In this case we dont have a "notes section" so please ask anyone who submits a donation for the "NIST Data" to drop me a line at [email protected] so we know the donation is for that.

I will do my best to keep track and notify everyone when the goal is reached!

As for the chain of custody, yes we are careful about these things. I recommend we have NIST send you the data directly, you will fill out a chain of custody form upon recept of the data and then we will create an ISO image of the DVD they provide you for release. I have CC'd in a few people who know about chain of custody issues.

Thank You!!!

-Justin Keogh
(520) 204-4523
ae911truth.org...
0x1a.com...
[email protected]

PS. With the payment to NIST we might want to also submit a request for refund as this data should be free.



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Lets make this happen people... tks.... BP

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Will be making my donation soon. Thanks for the update.

I put my money ($100) where my mouth is ... who's next ....
lets get this data for so many reason .... just pick one ...
I like the hang the bush's at the Haige ... one personally -
but your loyalties may lye with the victims as mine does
or you just hate buying lies with your tax dollars ... just pick
one and donate... thank you, BornPatriot...

[edit on 27-1-2009 by BornPatriot]

Greetings from Tucson everyone!

One gaff to start out with... the data wont be on a DVD, it's 2TB. We have the resources and connection(s) to make that data available. One obvious place to put it is archive.org. I suspect it will come uncompressed so it will be hopefully around 1TB to upload.

AE got $100 from BornPatriot this morning. I was not receiving notifications of one time donations until just a few hours ago so if you also donated please drop me a line ([email protected]) so I can earmark it for the NIST data.

PS. There's an incredible amount of research buried in these forums... ATS needs a wiki.

-jk

BUMP ...
BUMP ...

A&E checked in ... cool ...

Time for ATS to come to bat .... the clock is ticking on us.... we have less than 15 days left....

Justin -- how much more do we need to raise.... ?

We might want to check with ATS before we start to advertise for donations on their site. If you want, I will send SO a U2U and ask if he is aware and if we can forge ahead.

But, I think it would be prudent if A&E would put an advertisement to get this information on their website also.

A&E UPDATE 02-02-09

We now have a working link and donation button, I'll update the forum
and send ya over a short blogger post draft in a little bit after I
get one more thing fixed... I want the total to auto update but that
might have to wait until later.

www.ae911truth.org...'___'YNA_FOIA

UPDATE: The donation system is up! We are currently at $470 out of $824, with only $354.98 to go.

The updated donation link is here

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what on earth are you talking about?

anyway, this is a great pursuit.. i would love to donate but i have barely enough money to live! haha. i am looking forward to seeing where this leads to.

Come on people - we are so close - yet so far ...
only a little over $300 still to raise... all before the 7th....

ATS Staff can we get a push from you guys... like a banner for a couple hours or so... time is running out we have until the 8th to have a check in NIST hands or we have to go through the whole process again.... we just didnt expect NIST wants $825 for 2TB drives of Model Data....

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I just want you to know that in my haste to donate, I hit the wrong button going to a paypal account that goes to a bank account that doesn't exist anymore. I can NOT find a way to fix this in all of paypal's web pages? I'm stumped? I really don't know how to stop that payment and forward it to my current bank account? This is messed up. Mostly because I screwed up and started 2 accounts with 2 different banks on paypal. Unbeknown to me that you can't transfer between the two.

So, what happens when paypal charges my non-existent bank account?

Sometimes I hate my laptop's touchscreen.

Well, then it will go into the dead funds account with your state in about 9 months.... UnClaimed Funds....

Just Email them... I'm sure you already did that... so - I dont know, --

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If you could spare a dollar or two, we still need money to buy the data...
so please donate..

I spoke with a representative with paypal today and he said that it will just work itself out once paypal realizes the bank account isn't active anymore (I hope he's right).

But, anyway, how long do we have BornPatriot? I'm stuck in limbo with my donation until this is cleared up. Should be a couple days.