Was Akhenaten the first Christian?

Originally posted by noobfun
its a religeous mixup that stuck he should/would have been called christ jesus

He often is in psalms, hymns and prewritten prayers. I've often heard him called Christ Jesus in church.

Originally posted by moocowman

I've recently read an archeologist claiming that Scotland derived its' name from a Egyptian Princess by the name of Scota. Apparently she would have been related to the Tutenkamen/Akenaten/ Moses family, and did a runner to Europe following the demise of Armana.

yeah ive read some of that thoery the history of the middle east and egypt is impeccable until he starts making links trying to make the pheonitions irish* and trying to link everything back to Ireland

the ireland/scotland link falls apart when you realise scotland was known as scotia long before the celts invaded from ireland and replaced the picts who ere the main people of scotland up until after the romans pulled out of england in the 4th century

infact jmdewey60 started a thread about this a while ago


*some how one descrition of the peonitions bieng light skinned isnt proof but thats what he builds most of the case on from what ive read

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reply to post by Good Wolf


Those connections are not striking a cord .....but I did remember that akhenaten was the first Pharoah...which meant "that what you will become" I believe which followed in line with his teachings. The sun was chosen as a symbol because it was not something that could be worshipped on your mantle and because that is where he believed prana originated from ...or the "breath of life" ... you'll see in many of his reliefs the "ankh" hanging from a sun ray to his nose. Through the breath all the keys to life are revealed ... I always loved that about him. ... and i believe that is why so many mystery schools latched on to his teaching and his story. He was an alchemist as well and has many connections to "manna" or better known today as "white powder gold" .. It really brings "light" to alot of the stories from his time ....1500bc ... Moses and his followers surviving on "manna" .etc..etc.

Originally posted by Resinveins
It would seem that by very definition, the first Christian, would have to be Christ himself?

Christianity was around long before the birth of Jesus, the Christ used when referring to Jesus Christ, just means Jesus the Messiah.

So anyone religion around at those times who where awaiting the Messiah, were Christians, I'm not sure about the length of time this was the case.

It could even be taken that way today with Judaism, those awaiting for their Messiah to come does that not make them Christians also? I've worshiped in a few synagogues were I can see some similarities to the practices in Catholic Churches.
Everything is connected, not a single atom in the Universe is not connected to another in some way by some path, Those are the mysteries of the Universe, I also believe all religion no matter how obscure or radical started in the same one place, different ideas, and seeing the world in a different way, caused breaks and slits, which led to more and more, and so faith became religion,became whatever was cooked up by anyone who wanted to take advantage really.

And so here we are today, no different, but all headed to the same place, from the same place, Incredible.

Anyhow this is all IMO, I know of nowhere i can show you this, but it is my belief and faith, its the skeleton of who I am.

Sorry, Great thread, S&F very well done, one of the best threads I've witnessed in a long time, I smile gain.

reply to post by moocowman


if your reading Gardner than you are on the right track ...imho. Mix in a little sacred geometry(Drunvalo) with him and history really starts to come into focus. By the way ... I have purchased and used the White Powder Gold Gardner references and do recommend it if you can get past the cost. happy seeking!! ...

reply to post by DrPaulisENKI


Yea. Isn't it fantastic that so much of the Egyptian civilization as survived the sands of time, even when the pharaohs try to erase each other from history.

I noticed on wiki reference to hypotheses about his genetic make up in context of his build and features. You know anything about this?

reply to post by Res Ipsa


Ahh thanks for clarifying. I can see now how the thread title was a little bit of a hook, and how a literal interpretation of it could be mistaken However, while enlightening me on one subject, you've confused me on another. That being one's inability to become a Jew. Certainly you can not change your genetics and become one of the Jewish race. But it had always been my understanding that conversion to the Jewish faith was possible? Or does the circumstances of one's birth count for everything? Or is this true only for certain sects of the Jewish faith? I don't often dabble in matters of religion, so I'm assuming my confusion is due to my own ignorance on the subject Anyway, as always any clarification would be welcome... thx for your patience

reply to post by azzllin


Why thank you. I'm erll happy you like it. I spent a good solid 3 hours pulling the information together (although I was watching the simpsons, too ) so I hope it's received well.

Also I appologize to the OP and all involved if that was a bit off topic. It's certainly not my intent to be disruptive to your thread... I was just curious.

Peace

reply to post by azzllin


"And so here we are today, no different, but all headed to the same place, from the same place, Incredible. "

so very similar to the time that akhenaten first emerged ... history repeating itself again and again. Truth is the new religion that will shine light upon humanity once again ... the coming together of like minds is the revolution i believe. it has no name .. it has no rules ..only truth. Threads like this and others of the like are what give me hope .. many people know longer accept being told what the truth is. in the journey is the light.

Very good thread!

I have tried to link a lot of Christianity to Egypt in some of my threads. It is amazing the similarities!

None of the above information that you are all relaying would surprise me in the least. My studies with Egyptology is perhaps more limited than yours but I still have a tiny grasp of it, and it is stunning how many doctrines in Christianity are absolutely tied in with Egypts teachings and societal beliefs.

Not just the holidays but the cross, immortality of the human soul and hellfire go way back before Christianity.

It is interesting that some scholars believe that Jesus did not actually die a sacrificial death but perhaps traveled to Egypt. That he actually had a stand-in so he did not have to die this horrible death. I don't necessarily buy that idea, but then again, if most of Christianity is right, in that he died on the very pagan cross, perhaps the Gods decided to use a replacement!

So many pagan beliefs incorporated into religion and so much denial! It's like icing on a cake that is made up of dung!

Originally posted by Good Wolf
reply to post by azzllin

 

Why thank you. I'm erll happy you like it. I spent a good solid 3 hours pulling the information together (although I was watching the simpsons, too

) so I hope it's received well.

I received it very well, already forwarded it to a couple of people, Eventually this thread I think will be quite large, it should be anyhow.

reply to post by MatrixProphet


When I watched Zeitgeist it challenged me to learn some history, particularly that pertaining to christianity. I was shocked at what I learned, links to pagansim and the egyptian religions, a little thing called "canonization", continual biblical editing and the alternate doctrines.

I was kinda angry that the church neglected to talk about any of this. I thought what kinda christian doesn't learn the history (not just the dubious stuff in the book)?

It was a real wake up call for me.

reply to post by Resinveins

ok the idea its self is false but here we go

you can become a follower of the jewish faith there by jewish but only women are considered jewish by birth

a boy born to a jewish family has to become a jew, a girl is automatically a jew

its got somthing to do with a direct blood line back to the first/second exodus from israel and comming form the 12 original tribes of the jews...dispite the second exile didnt happen a few jews went on a recruiting spree across europe. it felt threatened by early christianity whoich was also going on its european recruiting spree too so most of the worlds jews returning back to the blood home land in israel is laughable as they were only ever european

reply to post by Good Wolf


it depends on what pill you want to take? ... the one i took says he was chosen because of his unique abilities in the matter at hand ...circa egypt1500bc ... his evolutionary status you could say. His origins were from another place ... orion maybe(sorry) .. that was way more evolved than earth. The "ascended masters" behind the plan thought it would be more effective to let him come to earth in his true evolved form that relates like i said to him being a pharoah(that which you will become) rather than a king ... some would say the reason he changed "art" during his time was for a future clue to mankind that this was in fact his true form making his message more "real" .. then i lost half the room ...lol

reply to post by azzllin


I was amazed. I saw a docco which talked about Akhenaten and not just his monotheism but specifically his Solar Monotheism, I just thought to myself "that must be the origin" so I started doing some reading, learnt some interesting things and then found that this had been barely covered on ATS.

What a shock! I typed "Akhenaten" into the post search and it only brought up 67 results. I never would have thought that this would have been so over looked, but there you go.

reply to post by Good Wolf


Yap, I saw it also. It was enlightening, even if you don't agree with it all - it is like many vehicles out there that are getting the truth out. IMO you have to wade through it.

I as you know, believe in God - Jah. I also believe that he is very capable of revealing knowledge through whomever he chooses! If religion is getting stale, there is a reason for it! Most religions teach a member to stay away from sources that are not "recommended." Or...the light will come through them. Well, it doesn't! At least I haven't heard anything new out of any organized religion in a long time.

reply to post by DrPaulisENKI


Ehh... It doesn't really wash. According to contemporary accounts, he wasn't a very good Pharaoh because he got more and more obsessed with his religion.

Crucial evidence about the latter stages of Akhenaten's reign was furnished by discovery of the so-called Amarna Letters. Believed to have been thrown away by scribes after being transferred to papyrus, the letters comprise a priceless cache of incoming clay message tablets sent from imperial outposts and foreign allies. The letters suggest that Akhenaten was obsessed with his new religion, and that his neglect of matters of state was causing disorder across the massive Egyptian empire. The governors and kings of subject domains wrote to beg for gold, and also complained of being snubbed and cheated. Also discovered were reports that a major plague pandemic was spreading across the ancient Near East. This pandemic appears to have claimed the life of Akhenaten's main wife (Nefertiti) and several of his six daughters, which may have contributed to a declining interest on the part of Akhenaten in governing effectively.

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reply to post by Good Wolf


Your signature:

"We learn from history that we learn nothing from history."
-George Bernard Shaw

Also, this is good:

"History is a fable agreed upon." - Napoleon

reply to post by noobfun



I'm trying to scrape my swede but can't remember the name of the boffin who followe Scota from Egypt through europe to scotland and Ireland.

The Author was an Archeologist possibly lorraine Phillips or Evans can't seem to remember, but she was a specialist in the area of ancient jewelery I think.

Anyone able to Jog my memory ?