Alleged Light Pole Damage To Taxi - Possible? Impossible?

Originally posted by SPreston
There is not one single witness in existence who saw the light pole hit the taxi, nor saw the light pole through the windshield, nor saw two men pull the light pole out of the windshield. There is not one photo in existence showing a light pole through the windshield.

Let's use your uh, "reasoning" here shall we?

At some time beforehand have the 5 poles removed. If somebody notices they are gone, who cares? VDOT is always maintaining and taking down and putting up light poles. Other states do it too.

There is not one single witness in existence who saw this!

Prefab the Lloyde England/Taxi Scenario light poles beforehand and snip the ends with a jaws of life mechanical pincer. Cut the bases with a torch so they look like they broke off clean and straight. (Oooops) Break a lamp head and place the glass and broken parts for pole #1 in bags. Bend the #1 pole and place all the poles on a flatbed.

There is not one single witness in existence who saw this!

In the early morning 9-11 darkness, the Secret Service and FBI and their pole workers take the flat bed out and stage the poles and their broken pieces. Maybe cover them with a green tarp so they are mostly invisible.

There is not one single witness in existence who saw this!

The important center stage #1 pole goes behind the HOV lane wall where it would be hard to see. Put the bags of glass and #1 pieces in the white Saturn or Cherokee and wait for the script to begin.

There is not one single witness in existence who saw this!

Somebody drives the taxi up to its staging location with a piece of clear glass covering the broken windshield. Get Lloyde there ready for his big act.

There is not one single witness in existence who saw this!

The decoy aircraft flies over the Naval Annex and the explosion goes off at the Pentagon wall. While everyone is looking at the Pentagon in horror, quickly drag the #1 pole across the road, (if you drag the pole on the road, people on the north bound can't see it past and below the wall - the south bound is blocked for a few minutes to get everything ready and that traffic is routed around Columbia Pike) throw the clear glass in the Saturn trunk, dump the broken glass and parts on the road in their spots, and tell Lloyde to go stand behind his taxi at parade rest. Make sure all the pieces of the #1 light pole are in a perfect line (Oooops) like it fell over there even though the big pole was supposed to be through the windshield down the road first. Somebody drags the tarps off the other poles or maybe they didn't bother to hide them; who cares if anybody saw a few dumb poles on the ground in the morning?

There is not one single witness in existence who saw this!
There is not one photo in existence showing *ANY* of the above, so it must not be true!

Therefore poor old Lloyde has less than 3 minutes to get the pole out of the windshield without scratching the hood. Not bloody likely is it?

Wow, this is hilarious... less than 3 minutes to move a pole? SURELY it cannot be done! OMG!

That's one of the weakest arguments I've heard anyone make on this subject yet. 3 minutes.... bwahahahaha

There's a certain amount of "WTF" in the basic story...

A 737 flies over your head, knocks a light pole through your windshield as you are cruising down the highway, at which point said 737 crashes into the Pentagon and explodes.

The FIRST THING you think to do, not to mention an unnamed good samaritan in a mini-van, is to quickly remove the pole from the car.

Let me ask you this: you're driving down the road. A light pole falls on your car. Do you leave it in place for insurance and police reports or do you flag down the first car you see to help you move the pole so you can get home?

This car is this guy's only means of making a living, so he states. He's worried enough about his vehicle and his ability to drive home that he moves the pole, yet is unconcerned enough about repairing the damage that he doesn't take any actions to support an insurance claim?

This utterly disregards the distinct lack of damage on the car given the nature of the impact and the nature of the removal of the pole as stated, as well as the lack of markings on the road one would expect with the sudden stop of a vehicle moving at highway speeds. The vehicle is positioned to infer a high speed collision, however none of the supporting evidence is apparent in any photographs or videos.

Take this out of context. It's not 9/11. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's a Roshomon-like reconstruction of a traffic accident and the story of the driver of the vehicle does not fit the physical evidence at hand.

I submit that if it were anything other than a part of 9/11 that the insurance claim would be denied.

posted by SPreston
There is not one single witness in existence who saw the light pole hit the taxi, nor saw the light pole through the windshield, nor saw two men pull the light pole out of the windshield. There is not one photo in existence showing a light pole through the windshield.

Been playing with the Google maps streetview option.

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view of bridge, #1, 2, 3 poles

Why didn't they just set the pole on the grass on the other side of the guardrail? Assuming the pole weighed 200+ pounds, the guy on the heavy base end would have at least 100+ pounds to carry and an old guy at the other end. Who would want to step over that guardrail carrying an awkward 100+ pound load? Not me. Just back up and let Lloyde set his end down on the guardrail is how I would have handled it. Nobody steps over the guardrail carrying a load.

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graphic of 30+ foot long pole in taxi

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view of bridge, taxi, hillside, and Pentagon

Of course there is still that base scratch across the road too.

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view of bridge, taxi, Saturn, and scratch from #1 pole base

But taking another look, the taxi had to be opposite the bridge wall with a dropoff beyond it. So why wouldn't the long pole hit the wall? Assuming it was hanging 5 or 6 feet beyond the wall, the two guys could supposedly have manuevered the pole out of the windshield, but they could not back up. They would have to pull the pole the 6 or so feet out of the car interior with Lloyde at the front bumper and the mystery stranger at the guardrail and the wall, by pushing the heavy end 6 feet more across the wall. So when Lloyde fell down, the mystery guy was about at the center of balance of the pole, so why did the small end fall on Lloyde?

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view of Overhead sign, #1 pole, bridge, and #2 pole

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view of bridge and #1 pole

It is getting far too complicated isn't it? Much easier to stick with the known facts. The decoy aircraft flew Over the Naval Annex and North of the Citgo and no aircraft impacted the Pentagon and the light poles were staged. Very poorly and very unconvincingly staged. Correct?



[edit on 11/18/08 by SPreston]

Originally posted by Soloist

Originally posted by SPreston

At some time beforehand have the 5 poles removed. If somebody notices they are gone, who cares? VDOT is always maintaining and taking down and putting up light poles. Other states do it too.

There is not one single witness in existence who saw this!

Prefab the Lloyde England/Taxi Scenario light poles beforehand and snip the ends with a jaws of life mechanical pincer. Cut the bases with a torch so they look like they broke off clean and straight. (Oooops) Break a lamp head and place the glass and broken parts for pole #1 in bags. Bend the #1 pole and place all the poles on a flatbed.

There is not one single witness in existence who saw this!

In the early morning 9-11 darkness, the Secret Service and FBI and their pole workers take the flat bed out and stage the poles and their broken pieces. Maybe cover them with a green tarp so they are mostly invisible.

There is not one single witness in existence who saw this!

The important center stage #1 pole goes behind the HOV lane wall where it would be hard to see. Put the bags of glass and #1 pieces in the white Saturn or Cherokee and wait for the script to begin.

There is not one single witness in existence who saw this!

Somebody drives the taxi up to its staging location with a piece of clear glass covering the broken windshield. Get Lloyde there ready for his big act.

There is not one single witness in existence who saw this!

The decoy aircraft flies over the Naval Annex and the explosion goes off at the Pentagon wall. While everyone is looking at the Pentagon in horror, quickly drag the #1 pole across the road, (if you drag the pole on the road, people on the north bound can't see it past and below the wall - the south bound is blocked for a few minutes to get everything ready and that traffic is routed around Columbia Pike) throw the clear glass in the Saturn trunk, dump the broken glass and parts on the road in their spots, and tell Lloyde to go stand behind his taxi at parade rest. Make sure all the pieces of the #1 light pole are in a perfect line (Oooops) like it fell over there even though the big pole was supposed to be through the windshield down the road first. Somebody drags the tarps off the other poles or maybe they didn't bother to hide them; who cares if anybody saw a few dumb poles on the ground in the morning?

There is not one single witness in existence who saw this!

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There is also not one single witness in existence who saw the heavy #1 light pole hurling into the taxi windshield. Nor is there one single witness in existence (besides the lying Lloyde England) who saw the heavy #1 light pole sticking out of the taxi windshield. Nor is there one single witness in existence (besides the lying Lloyde England) who saw the heavy #1 light pole being removed from the taxi windshield and laid on the pavement. Nor is there one single witness in existence (besides the lying Lloyde England) who saw the #1 light pole falling on Lloyde after he allegedly removed it from the taxi windshield.

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Nor are there any photos or videos of these imaginary events.

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Of course nobody witnessed the staging of the poles in the early morning darkness because the Secret Service had the area completely under their stringent security procedures for 2+ days.

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