Tinley Park UFO - Calling all the UFO debunker's out - Debunk this one!

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I believe he was interviewed and has now changed his mind after seeing all the evidence presented. I think it was him, but I will have to check to be sure. Let you know.

Originally posted by LordThumbs
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during the episode it was concluded that the lights seemed to change the shape of the triangle. from different perspective this was concluded as one "shape" which was sort of tumbling end over end in the sky. keeping the shape of a perfect triangle. my question to you is..would it be easier to conlude that the object was one mass, or do we have three individual objects tumbling end over end in a perfect formation..and if the latter...would you agree that this can ONLY be done by intelligent life.

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There is no way to prove that this was one object, nor a perfect formation of three objects.

None.

If there were multiple films, I would say it might be possible to prove that it stays in formation. It just isn't possible from one point of perspective. This is nothing more than a blurry film taken -without- reference points.

I am not interested in what would be easier, because I am not someone to come to a conclusion based solely on conjecture.

[edit on 30-10-2008 by HankMcCoy]

I'm a believer in the visitation of et's and I haven't seen this UFO Hunters episode, but judging from the video I can see that it is yet another footage of nothing but lights in the sky with no conclusive evidence.

I will not attempt to debunk this case as I am not a skeptic. But to be honest, we need more than just videos of mysterious lights, and this is one of the reasons why the media just don't care..because there is nothing controversial enough.

Now I know that the media would rather stay away from this topic either way, but.. if you wanna make an extraordinary claim, then you must show some extraordinary evidence. I'm afraid to say that this video definitely doesn't fall under the "extraordinary" category.

One more thing..you guys really need to give Phage a break, can you really blame him for finding the evidence of "alien visitation" lacking?

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Hank...There is multiple films from three different locations that is how they could triangulate and figure out the size as beuing 1500 feet. And also the pilot of the helicopter/plane who flew by said he saw something but wouldn't comment on what it was because he was afraid of losing his job. --> read UFO!

Before you let the hair on the nape of your neck rise any higher, I suggest you watch it on rebroadcast. I suspect it will be posted sometime next week on the History Channel website also.

Thought all you debunkers watched the UFO Hunter to debunk all the evidence sure to turn up here from the new season.

They said they spoke with the pilot who flew the plane?

There's your main reference point right there. The pilot is D single source for the most amount of information regarding the closest location of where these lights were.

I don't think anyone can claim it wasn't a UFO. In fact, all the info we have so far indicates that it is indeed an unidentified siting.

The speculation now comes...is it something of this world, man made...or extraterrestrial in nature? And this cannot be proved. It can only be speculated. However, if it can be proven that man currently has no technology to even remotely mimic such behaviour, man made speculation goes out the window.

I firmly believe in extraterrestrial life, but please people, logic indicates that currently, with the information we have, we cannot conclude who or what those strange lights belong to.

i'm not saying it is or isn't aliens. but it PROVES NOTHING! how hard is it to understand?

if a spaceship landed on the whitehouse lawn and aliens stepped out and handed everyone a copy of an encyclopedia galactica, full geneology from their home, video footage from deep space and a total lack of understanding of human nature then MAYBE it wouldn't be a setup.


it's just lights in the sky

PERIOD

why is it that people who believe in aliens only care about lizzards and lights in the sky. why should anyone have to "debunk" that? i could post a video of a tree and say HEY THIS TREE IS FROM ANOTHER PLANET!! I DARE YOU TO DEBUNK IT!.

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Originally posted by Mozzy
i'm not saying it is or isn't aliens. but it PROVES NOTHING! how hard is it to understand?


it's just lights in the sky

PERIOD

Actually it proves that something that has power going to a light source and definitely aloft can fly around in our skies without the air traffic control knowing about it. Is it alien or hostile foreign? Who knows, but it could have a big impact on everyone unless we can identify what they are and if they are a threat!

I watched the episode last night. It was one of the better Ufo Hunters.

My problem with the show was that I'm pretty sure the video expert only examined ONE of the tapes. He said they picked the highest quality video to analyze and ignored the other tapes. I have it saved on my DVR an will rewatch it later tonight.

They based thier conclusions (one solid object and the size) on that one video tape.

Why would they ignore the other ones? Prehaps the other ones showed different results that didn't back up thier theories?

Just offering up another perspective.

I also thought the balloon experiment could have been done much better. They were obviously much closer then the lights in the footage and not in anyway connected to each other. Just because the ballons they used were not enough to lift the PVC framework doesn't mean hoaxers couldn't have achieved better results with larger balloons or a lighter frame.

Hey kids settle down.

It is obvious that the man has not seen the vid. so it is moot until he does so.

Lord Thumbs gotta love you... I agree about it being E.T.

One thing however, and another poster mentioned it I think it was the (kitty with the rubiks cube?) on the UFO Hunters show you clearly see the plane pass through two of the lights. So IMHO it is that there are three ufos trying to be a mock plane. It was determined that the lights were always the same distance apart. My crazy guess is they have the technology to fly in that precise kind of formation.

Bring on the flames.

I don't see anything definitive, that's for sure. Plus, they have strobes and that says it's man made. They don't know what it is, fine, but it's man made.

Odd about the timing tho. I saw this in the Chicago Sun Times recently. Not a UFO, but the timing is interesting as a definite UFO disclosure is coming about now and they're flooding the scene with all types of UFOs to get people more and more aware of the possibility. Once that awareness is established, full disclosure will take place.

Also, the article was in yesterdays Sun Times and yesterday was the biggest day I've ever seen for Chemtrails here in the Chicago area. The sky was just FILLED with trails. Coincidence? I don't think so. Something is coming, there's no denying that.

One of the witnesses on the show said he had a telescope and saw that each object was actually spherical with "10 or twelve strobing lights."

Beat that!

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The alien olympic synchronized ufo flying team!

If the three lights were moving in relation to each other, it would be impossible to "triangulate" using multiple videos unless they were time synchronized. Simply comparing the configuration of the lights isn't useful as three points in 3-d space can describe a straight line or any triangle depending on the camera's perspective unless, as someone stated earlier in the thread, you have the exact azimuth and elevation.

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just saw this similar three object sighting in another thread but it is a day capture. I don't know if it helps us but it is a coincidence... saw them both in the same day.

the vid.:


and...the thread
(third page is where you can find the above vid. -not quite as synchronized as your UFOs )


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Originally posted by TH3ON3
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The alien olympic synchronized ufo flying team!

That's what I'm talking about!!!!

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Well if that vid and the OP one is related then it proves it isn't a solid object doesn't it?

Originally posted by TH3ON3
reply to post by HankMcCoy

 

Hank...There is multiple films from three different locations that is how they could triangulate and figure out the size as beuing 1500 feet. And also the pilot of the helicopter/plane who flew by said he saw something but wouldn't comment on what it was because he was afraid of losing his job. --> read UFO!

Before you let the hair on the nape of your neck rise any higher, I suggest you watch it on rebroadcast. I suspect it will be posted sometime next week on the History Channel website also.

Thought all you debunkers watched the UFO Hunter to debunk all the evidence sure to turn up here from the new season.

Look man, I don't have time to watch every piece of junk science cable television show that these kooks crank out to sell to you believers. I posted in this thread based on the information YOU made available in your initial post i.e. the video. If there is more information you want considered, make it available.

Until then, my opinion is as it stands.

The video that YOU showed us doesn't amount to anything.

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IMHO it isn't. I'm sure others will disagree. But I vote ASF (alien synchronized flyers.)

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While the story and pics are strange....A UFO does not have to be little grey men with big heads from planet X to be a UFO. We just do not know what it is. So "debunkers" some of us anyway, would just like some clear, evidence with science getting involved...MIT's thoughts would be nice for once.

Anyone who denies UFOs exist at this point in existence, hahaha, is sooooooo far behind, their arguments along with obvious sightings fuel the argument, for they fight their beliefs just as compassionately as intelligent beings do theirs. I truly believe if your absolute slave to this earth and it's submissions you innately vehemently deny truth, there is no reversal in this process, so all the maggots that haven't reached a elementary level consciousness should just continue your current thought processes.