Tinley Park UFO - Calling all the UFO debunker's out - Debunk this one!

Originally posted by TH3ON3
Several things need to be addressed...The points of light were examined by an image expert and found to stay equadistant from each other as it moved...try getting balloons in 30 mph wind to do that.

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i heard that tying ballons together in a triangle can achieve the same result. also what if these lights were suspended from something.

Hi ya Phage! Figured you would be on here Good to see you and provide another view.. however my friend .. pretty much you've said here was already investigated by the NASA film expert in the episode that was aired on TV last night.

Thus, they were able to find the Height & Width of the 3 lighted craft using the helicopter in the film. They deduced that this was a SINGLE craft of 1,500 ft in span.

Originally posted by Phage
Note that three of any thing will form a triangle and that the video shows them in several different configurations, indicating that they are not part of a single solid object or even that they are necessarily all at the same altitude. We don't even have any indication that they are moving though the witness says the did.

There is no way of judging the altitude of a point of light with the naked eye, much less from a video. Using a passing aircraft for size comparison is meaningless as there is no way to tell if the lights are above or below the aircraft, nor is there any way to judge the amount of vertical separation between the aircraft and the lights.

Yep, three lights alright. Not enough information to jump to any other conclusion.

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Originally posted by N. Tesla
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i heard that tying ballons together in a triangle can achieve the same result. also what if these lights were suspended from something.

Well first off it flew off. In the test, the flares were tied together in a triangle with string, video was not even close when filmed on the same cameras.

Maybe it is the aliens using technology way beyond ours to try and debunk their own UFOs.

what if they were suspended from above?

Originally posted by N. Tesla
what if they were suspended from above?

From above by what means?... a remote controlled anti gravity balloon?

No sound, and the points stayed equadistant in proportion to all three triangulated videos.

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if YOU DID NOT watch the episode, please comment AFTER it airs again this Sunday. otherwise, every question that has been asked already had been investigated and been concluded.

I have not watched the OP's video and imo, it's not detailed enough as the episode, causing questions that have already been asked in the episode.

Please watch the episode.

Originally posted by TH3ON3

Originally posted by N. Tesla
what if they were suspended from above?

From above by what means?... a remote controlled anti gravity balloon?

No sound, and the points stayed equadistant in proportion to all three triangulated videos.

well lets for a moment humor me. what if it was a government test. and what if they used the silent but deadly predator to suspend it. or what if the lights are blinking predators. it wouldnt be that hard to put them in a triangle position.

so its a UFO but not of alien origin IMO

Originally posted by Chadwickus
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How do want people to debunk 3 lights floating in the sky?

That line says it all for me, because when I go outside at night I see thousands of lights floating in the sky and I can make a plethora of shapes with them.

If it is going to be in the sky then make it happen in daylight, otherwise I want to see an actual craft on the ground in daylight.

Night time vids just leave so much open to be debunked.

Wolfie

reply to post by N. Tesla


A super secret government test that actually puts more heat on the belief that the government is hiding ultra-secret aircraft and flying them over highly populated areas??? I don't think so.

why would it put more belief on it. if anything it would be a great cover up. by making people belive that there are aliens.

Originally posted by N. Tesla
why would it put more belief on it. if anything it would be a great cover up. by making people belive that there are aliens.

And creating more distrust in the government since many believe the government is covering up the UFO truth. I think your argument doesn't hold helium!

All I can say is it is one of the best sightings so far with much scientific facts video/size/witnesses/ to back up that what was seen was HUGe and wasn't even picked up on air traffic radar.

Secret test indeed.

i still disagree with you on the government part. but i still say its no legit at all. the video is obviously something other then aliens.

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lets stop with the what ifs please.. its frustrating to hear about government secret planes and what not. come on. you know its gotta be bunk right? you mentioned the lights could have been suspended from what? no no.. i havent read anywhere else that other objects are holding lights below them and flying around at thousands of miles per hour or vise versa..

stick to the known phenomena of UFO's and avoid making up what ifs.

its funny to think that your convinced the government has this ability to make craft of this scale. and that they can congure up ANY hypothetical ability say "silent predators" in order to "cover up" the ET phenomena.

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Originally posted by Komodo

Thus, they were able to find the Height & Width of the 3 lighted craft using the helicopter in the film. They deduced that this was a SINGLE craft of 1,500 ft in span.

I will make an effort to see the rebroadcast but let me point out that to find the height and width of an unknown object in comparison to a known object is impossible. If you know the width of the unknown object you can calculate its height. If you know the height you can calculate the width. You need to have one of the two variables.

It has been mentioned that triangulation from several viewpoints was used to get a horizontal and vertical location for the lights. To do this requires the location (easy) for each viewpoint as well as azimuth and elevation of the cameras. I'm curious as to how these data were obtained. Someone saying, "it was about in that direction and up at about this angle" becomes problematic. Depending on the distance from the camera to the object, a very small error (a couple of degrees) in direction can result in a large margin of error in the calculated position.



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Originally posted by N. Tesla
the video is obviously something other then aliens.

its obviously not a silent predator in my opinion. based on all the data, and yes i saw the episode.. its predominantly a UFO of ET origin.. if a group of 10 humans were able to put there minds to gether to come up with that craft and its abilities. then id call them EXTRA terrestrial too.

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be careful not to over think it phage. the witnesses who filmed the object stated their location and in the episode they had about 15! different videos all running in their individual windows on a computer. its OBVIOUSLY the same object..please dont TRY and dismiss it as anything but one single object. cause i will be very very dissapointed in your observational skills as i am with most skeptics, and obviously debunkers.

the case is very unusual and the fact that the film is identical in other parts of the world makes it more than just a hoax.

What is there to debunk?

The men on the program do not claim it is a craft. They say it is a U.F.O., which it, or more probably they are.

Unidentified Flying Objects.

The weight is not on the skeptics to prove it isn't a spacecraft, because if that were the case, the weight would be on the skeptics to prove that the Moon isn't a spacecraft. (Although it ALWAYS falls on the skeptics to disprove the theories of the 'believers'.)

The truth it, those lights are EXACTLY as they are presented.

Unexplained lights in the sky.

Are you asking us to debunk lights? I mean, they are LIGHTS.. in the SKY.. anyone can see that..

So the question becomes..

What are these lights?

If someone says "It's an alien craft" You had better present evidence.. because I sure didn't see any in that film.

reply to post by HankMcCoy


nicely put Hank,

i would like to know what your conclusion is as well.
sure they are lights in the sky.
so what does your heart tell you?
now, i know a solid object would have made a world of difference in the case. but WITHOUT the tangibility of a solid craft, couldnt you conclude that its beyond human capabilities..

as a side note,, military would NOT conduct tests with a craft of that size over the most POPULAR air space in america.

I dont feel that if someone says its a UFO of alien origin that they have to provide proof at all. its for each to decide based on the evidence.

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reply to post by LordThumbs


I think it is interesting that the lights appear to hold onto formation, but I mean.. the film is only seconds of footage. We are seeing exactly what the producers of the show want us to see.

I can't even make an educated guess as to what we are seeing based on a few seconds of footage, one witness' edited testimony, and the ramblings of a 'believer'.

Maybe if this case was the focal point of an in depth analysis, with teams going over the film, interviewing the eye witnesses, taking measurements, and generally doing some SCIENTIFIC research, then maybe it would go a bit further to try to figure out what went on that night.

reply to post by HankMcCoy


In the OP video there seem to be at least two different configurations. First a isosceles'ish one then when the airplane flies by a very scalene'y one.

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