Why would you NOT vote for Obama?

reply to post by mopusvindictus


Yeah I agree with that to an extent

But keep in mind this election was destined to be a popular one because of its timing too. Since it ends the full term (a term is 8 years now apparently ) of Bush. And due to the escalated issues that are going on recently. So some of the attention is due to that and not because of the Candidates directly.

I think another part of it is that fact that Obama is a good public speaker. Again, something different then the past 8 years.

Ultimately I very much look forward to seeing sanity return to this insane forum too!! So we can get back to the important issues, like aliens, space travel, bird flus and channelers

[edit on 31-10-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

Were I a voting American citizen, I wouldn't vote for Obama, or McCain for the matter, because both are puppets for the same corrupt system.

This whole political election madness that goes on in the USA is, in my opinion, a front that keeps the general populace mesmerised and focused away from what is really going on and what really matters.

I recommend those people who are still caught up in considering "who to vote for" take a look at a video called Zeitgeist The Addendum. It sums a lot of this up fairly nicely. It is freely viewable on Google Video, and downloadable for viewing offline. These are issues I've been aware of since childhood (now in my 30's) so it was not news to me, and may not be news to you. I suspect, however, that with the amount of people in this discussion getting caught up in political propaganda and questions pertaining to "who to vote for in American politics" that some of what's in that movie is news.

The original 21 reasons posted on Jeremy Buff's blog and since posted here as the starting point of this discussion, were in fact enough to make me consider voting for Obama... if I was into voting, which I am not.

Deny ignorance...

Jonathan

PS. I see there is a Google Video button above. I'll try to post the video here...

Google Video Link

Good point, Sadly we will have only a 2 year breather before.

Oh gosh... say it ain't so

The 2012 Elections...



In fact I'm a hypocrite huh? I just really did something wrong yesterday

I posted a Thread on Arnold as President of the NWO in 2012

damn!

Inadvertently by busting on the Austrian Oak

I Became the first 2012 Election Troll didn't I?



I just lost whatever self esteem I had, I never should have loaded up the evil kitty avatar... I have somehow been afflicted.

Kill me now



I feel Like Lando Mollare at the end of the Baylon 5 series now

Moving away from politics and back into the "alternative" thought process, has anyone considered that if Obama or, less likely, McCain is elected president, and we have a "national emergency," Bush could still suspend the "swearing in of any new president?" Until an "appropriate transition of leadership occurs?"

(e) "Enduring Constitutional Government," or "ECG," means a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President, as a matter of comity with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers among the branches, to preserve the constitutional framework under which the Nation is governed and the capability of all three branches of government to execute constitutional responsibilities and provide for orderly succession, appropriate transition of leadership, and interoperability and support of the National Essential Functions during a catastrophic emergency;

www.whitehouse.gov...

There is a lot of sabre rattling lately in very RECENT articles...

This...

There had been growing fears, not based on any specific intelligence, that al Qaeda has been likely plotting to attack the United States before the election, or during the transition to a new presidency. Homeland security officials are calling it a Period of Heightened Alert, or POHA, which ABC News first reported in last summer.

abcnews.go.com...

And this....

Bin Laden made little mention of Bush's Democratic challenger, John Kerry, telling Americans: "Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands and each state which does not harm our security will remain safe."

Kerry has attributed his loss in part to the video's high-profile reminder of the terrorism issue.

In 2006, after Democrats captured Congress, Zawahri issued an audio message saying all Americans remained al Qaeda's enemies regardless of party, SITE said.

www.reuters.com...

So, whether or not we vote (I encourage voting), it may be a moot point in the end...Remember, the above law covers both before AND during the transition phase between November 4, 2008 and January 20, 2009...

reply to post by bknapple32

That was the most ignorant post I have EVER read on this forum! This little tidbit was the best:
"I would not vote for Obama if he had the most unqualified person ever as the VP candidate." (changed to correct for awful grammar) Hmmm...yet Obama is THE most unqualified presidential candidate we have ever seen as a nation. Your argument sounds a little weak now. If I get what you are saying, you would rather have an unqualified President, leading this nation, than an unqualified VP who may or may not play much of a role in anything? I don't understand how anybody could think this way (ignore the politics and views behind the people and just think about the LOGIC, or lack thereof, of this statement for a minute).

Originally posted by jimmy1200
you have to be an illusion, and im asleep. you cant be real.

Jimmy, Who's the "them" BO refers to? In his quote taken from Here

I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." (page 261).

Who's the "them" exactly? It's a rather ambiguous statement and open to interpretation, wouldn't you agree?

And since you know exactly what he means, in what way will he "stand with them"? I'd like some clarity please.

And for the record, I don't buy into "remote controlled planes flying into the twin towers" theory. Those planes were flown by men who could be considered "Arab or Pakistani Americans".

[edit on 10/31/2008 by TheRooster]

reply to post by Shades1035

I seem to recall that a greater percentage of Democrats voted FOR the bailout than Republicans. But please...continue to only blame it on the Republicans and, by all means, ignore facts as you have done up to this point.

reply to post by Justice123

I HAVE checked the facts that you have obviously missed. Have you even thought about looking at his voting record on any second amendment issue? Did he support the second amendment when it was brought before the Supreme Court in Heler v DC? If so, why did he not join with so many other representatives in the Amicus Brief stating the right is an individual right? If so, why has he done nothing to repeal Chicago's unconstitutional gun restrictions? If so, why does he want to make the AWB permanent? As another poster said earlier, just because he says something, it does not make it truth. I think this is the biggest problem here...so many willing to take only what he says as truth regardless of fact. Please, think at least a LITTLE before posting.

reply to post by jimmy1200

Dude, he named the actual page in the book where the quote is located. But the ALMIGHTY Google can NEVER be wrong! You call yourself intelligent, and I do give you some credit, at least, for your proclaimed support of Ron Paul. Please though, don't just say 'I checked Google, and it was debunked' and call it good; typing a few keys into the Google search bar does not constitute true investigation.

I would not and will not vote for Obama because of his associations with people like Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, and Louis Farrakhan. He was raised in a muslim country as a child (INDONESIA), and was registered as a muslim in school. His stepfather was an Indonesian muslim. His family in Kenya are all muslims. In Islam, if you are born into a muslim family, you are ALWAYS a muslim. If you convert, it is punishable by death according to the Quran. But the Quran also states that you can lie to non-muslims for the benefit of Islam, so maybe his claim of being a Christian is a big fat lie. Muslim countries that hate America are happy about Obama possibly becoming the President. That's kind of weird. He's also vague. He also contradicts himself. And no one knows for sure whether or not he was born in the United States. Those all seem like pretty good reasons not to vote for someone.

reply to post by lorehorrible


His mother is a Christian. He was raised by his mother. He has gone to a Christian church for how many consecutive years? Obama has said that Jesus Christ is his personal savior. That is reason enough to call him a Christian.

People can have a personal revelation and then be considered a Born Again Christian in the same weeks time Yet Obama going to a Christian church for years doesn't qualify

Anyways, I don't believe Muslim as any worse or better then Christianity. So I could care less if he was Muslim.

[edit on 31-10-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

Originally posted by jimmy1200... that is also fuc#$%^ garbage.

Originally posted by jimmy1200... FUC@#$#% BORN BLACK, AND NOT BEING PERFECT, LIKE THE REST OF THE PRESIDENTS IN THE UNITED STATES.

My ideas come from discussions with numerous friends, many of whom are of various minority groups. They are highly intelligent people who have brought an interesting point to light about the timing of this presidency.

They also demonstrate their intelligence to other people by refraining from typing in all caps and having a potty mouth.

reply to post by IceColdPro

Originally posted by IceColdPro
To respond to the OP only, as I came late in the thread:

This guy has come up too fast, too far. When do you remember another politician ever rising so far so fast? He's not that good; he must have someone behind him, and it ain't the American public I'm talking about..

Not as fast as Palin.

The thread is not about Palin. She's not running for POTUS.

Obama was a US Senator for less than 6 months before he declared his candidacy. His congressional record is pathetic, at both the state and federal level.

Mr Obama's credentials speak for themselves: Harvard Law professor, senior lecturer of law, state legislator, author, senator, etc. I do also believe he is qualified and able to use a PERSONAL COMPUTER!

He was NEVER a Harvard Law professor. Get your facts straight.

His philosophy, his associations, tell me that he is in the back pocket of some very bad people.

Personally, I can't think of worse associates to have in this government than the current president and vice president.

Remember that Obama and Biden were both associates of Bushco also.

I guess being a senator and having 7 houses is just normal.

Another example of ignorance. He does not have 7 houses. His wife has some real estate investments.

My own reasons are based upon a gut feeling:

maybe your gut feeling is deeply rooted in paranoia due to "skin deep" differences? I am basing this opinion on my OWN "gut feeling" about YOU, based upon your past posts and comments on this forum. I guess it's not accurate, but that's what you get with these types of "gut feelings" I guess.

Worst Decision 08' Obama thread EVER!

What are you implying about me with that statement? Come right out and say it.

Obama calls us hunters and gun owners bitter and would not rest until he has our guns banned and/or taxed into oblivion, he proposed 500% tax on guns.

He would destablize our country so bad that civil war would be likely!

You can't just take away our second ammendant rights! worse yet he tried to censor NRA ads exposing his stance!

I would never vote for Obama because he is an extreme left wing idealist.

ALL of his associations prior to 2004 show that he supports the most far left, the ardant revolutionaries and that he has never renounced those ideals.

He made a powerful speech in 2004, at the Democratic National Convention, and became a superstar. He was elected to the Senate, where he has literally done nothing but run for President. He has not done one other thing.

His friends are far leftists. His beliefs, as espoused in writings and speeches before 2004 are of the extreme left. He pals around with people that literally bombed our country, trying to murder people they did not agree with.

He covers up his past very well. It can be found, but you have to be willing to teally dig.

There is absolutely NOTHING in his entire history, prior to 2004, that would indicate that he is anything but an extreme left winger, who wants to literally rewrite the U.S. Constitution.

His color has nothing to do with why I wouldn't vote for him. His politics have 100% with why I will never accept him.

I do not believe he can answer a simple yes or no question with a yes or a no. If someone can show me an example I would rethink, but since I have looked and looked, i know there is not one. ......."that is above my pay grade".....WTF is that?

[edit on 2/11/08 by Camar]

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


Obama's mother is NOT a Christian. She's an athiest.

Anyone can go to church their whole life. That doesn't mean they are "born again" or that they actually believe in or retain or care about anything that's being said to them from a pulpit. A lot of people do it just for the mere image of looking like a Christian. Anyway, that doesn't even matter in his case because his pastor whom he respects so much is a racist and spouted his racist views at the congregation during sermons the whole time he attended that church.

Look at the countries that hate us right now. What are they filled with? Muslims. Like I said before, they are HAPPY that Obama might become the President. That's no good. Muslims are ok with killing anyone who does not agree with their beliefs. Muslims are ok with lying to advance the cause of Islam.

This is just all no good.

What it boils down to for me is that O'bama seems to think like an authoritarian. I mean, like a fascist, for those of you who understand the economics of fascism.

His remarks on the campaign trail indicate he has no respect for the concept of legal precedence in courtroom procedure, and no respect for the constitution or the will of the people.

I fully expect him to begin erecting a police state that looks straight out of 1984. When his popularity sinks, I expect he will make a race and class based appeal for assistance from "the masses." I won't be surprised to see him totally erode the definition of what a president is.

Further, I expect that America's enemies will begin riding roughshod over our allies, as soon as said enemies dectect O'bamas lack of interest in foreign policy.

From a Foreign policy perspective, if Mccain equals a third bush term, then O'bama equals a second Carter term.


all the best.

I would NOT vote for Obama because:

1. He likes to kill babies
2. I still believe he was voted into the Senate illegally
3. I still don't think he is a true American
4. He almost never wears the flag pin
5. He almost never puts his hand to his heart during the national anthem
6. He is a socialist and is backed by the socialist New Party and Working Families

There are more reasons but I think I would get writers cramp if I wrote them all down.