IR camera - 7 UFO's seen.

Seen one of these things back in the summertime. Was real high up, and moving maybe twice as fast as an airplane.

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Many com sats use IR, the GPS sats use IR and "dark" recon aircraft have been know to show up in low ban IR photography. But not so with stealth though, they don't show up in IR at all, not even with the beacon switched on.

Can't say as to why you have a cluster here.

Not to say that these are birds, but some birds do show up really bright in IR photos, while others do not, don't know why though. You could spend days comparing the different looks of different birds in IR. Can't see an owl in IR for nothing, but a pigeon shows up like a 60 watt light bulb.

We've been playing with "hacked" cameras for a while now, comparing IR with regular photography. See all sorts of things that we normaly would miss in the sky, stuff out on the water too.

[edit on 10/29/2008 by eaganthorn]

hey what about if they where out in space do you think ull be able to see them with ur camra?

Originally posted by eaganthorn

Many com sats use IR, the GPS sats use IR and "dark" recon aircraft have been know to show up in low ban IR photography. But not so with stealth though, they don't show up in IR at all, not even with the beacon switched on.

Or not:

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Sorry, I wouldn't want to be pulling a zorgon. Here's where it came from:

Even “stealth” aircraft can be tracked this way – the F-35 Lightning II, for instance, has limited infared stealth owing to an 40,000 pound thrust, single-engine design that lacks the shielding/dispersal measures of the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber et. al. Speaking of which, see the above graphic of a B-2 Spirit stealth bomber at relatively close range, lifted from EADS Eurofighter’s presentation to the Norwegian government as they touted their own aircraft’s advanced IRST cueing sensor.

Source

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These do look like a flock of migratory birds high up in the sky, they have same orientation etc.
And yes, everything that is not at absolute zero temperature gives off IR, it depends on the sensitivity of the camera, whether you see it or not.

Dark Knight, I thought you must be hiding somewhere in Tibet by now, how is your night of the living dead thing going on, are you having fun yet or just picking dots on pictures ?

DK sent me the full size picture. It is not the original file, it's been through PhotoShop.

When magnified and filtered, the dots are still dots, no shape or trail is visible around them either. DK should have used the optical zoom to get more detail.

The dots are quite faint, not glowing any more than trees in the foreground. I think a black bird would glow even more in IR than a white one. Any black surface heats up quickly in the sun. It absorbs visible light and emits infrared.

Regardless of how sunlight reflects off them, birds are hot, so they do emit IR light.

For example this study of nocturnal bird's flight patterns in Sweden, using an infrared camera, recorded:

In total 17 411 flight paths, including track direction and altitude, of migrating birds were recorded for 68 nights from August to October.

Source:
www3.interscience.wiley.com...
So birds do glow in the IR spectrum, even at night.

Originally posted by nablator
DK sent me the full size picture. It is not the original file, it's been through PhotoShop.

Lightroom crop is not photoshop unless I am sorely mistaken. Yes its made by adobe but its not image altering software it just deals with colours.

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They tracked them in thermal imaging system. I used to have the footage as it was once compared to a flight of stealth cruise missiles over Iraq.

Originally posted by Guzzeppi
Question for the OP. How fast would you say the oblects were moving? Obviously, there are no points of reference other than the tree's below and it sounded like it all happened very quickly. Best guestimate? They look to be rather high altitutude from what I see.

They went from out of view in one frame. Thats all i could take before they were gone. The cloud was very high, so speed guess would of been hundreds of miles an hour. The shutter speed was 1/640th and yet they still blurred. What ever speed they were, as the camera saved the image they were gone.

But I have the camera now, and the suns coming out so I will try get some IR high altitude bird pics to compare.

If they were a flock of birds, they are very far apart, please take a second to refer too this photo HERE as you can make out the birds are almost on top of each other, as appears from the ground, in reality, they are just flying close, in dark knights photo, these birds would be too far apart to be flocking, therefore there is an unusual amount of birds in one location of the sky.

Also I seriously doubt their heat signatures would be able to cause such big specs of white on the IR spectrum, from such a distance, perhaps if they were the size of cars, then yes.

Well, I did some comparison shots. I also took a picture of a 'some thing' in the sky that has made my eyes water with excitement. I couldn't believe it when I first saw it on the camera.

Bear with me as I host the pics for you. The bird reflection theory is also dead as a dodo, because you'll see that at even ranges within 500 meters the birds are very hard to capture as they reflect far too little IR.

dark, again if the pics are too big to post the proper res can you spare a minute to email it also?

Originally posted by fill0000
dark, again if the pics are too big to post the proper res can you spare a minute to email it also?

Yeah OK, i'll send all of them to you hi res. DK

The birds explanation doesnt really hold up on formation. As I said before birds fly in a very specific configuration.

The reason for this is because the whole group is positioned to allow minimum drag for those behind the lead, its why the lead interchanges sequentially.

Its a survival pattern designed to ensure they can move sucessfully. They cant fly long distances as individuals, drag and resistance tire them too quickly which is why they fly the close knit V shape in which the lead bird reduces drag for all the rest. Its a highly coordinated and very aerodynamic formation and they use it as a matter of instinct.

Ive said if anyone ca sow me birds (a breed perhaps) that use this loose and disfunctional formation it would help but as far as I can see its not a bird pattern, birds dont just go up and fly any old way and that formation is wide spaced with birds flying loose, they just dont do that.

At that distance you would expect to see the formation closed quite tightly.

I know all this from wonderful bird documentaries of course They are actually quite clever and seem to have a built in instinct for aerodynamics and formation flying.

Originally posted by silver6ix


Ive said if anyone ca sow me birds (a breed perhaps) that use this loose and disfunctional formation it would help but as far as I can see its not a bird pattern, birds dont just go up and fly any old way and that formation is wide spaced with birds flying loose, they just dont do that.

You're kidding right?

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Again, I said flying distance.

At that altitude against the winds when travelling birds fly a specific formation. Bird above teh ground near their roosts fly in many ways. When they go up high to travel, they travel as a formation.

You can check that if you wish, its a very specific and very clever science in bird formations. You can see it here, the three "working birds" will dive from formation together and fly low a little while until they recover and then rejoin the main flight.

www.aerospaceweb.org...

[edit on 29-10-2008 by silver6ix]

OK, first up the bird comparison shots. The birds were in direct sunlight and very close, less than 500 meters away. They do not glow in the IR spectrum at all; in fact they are very hard to capture as you are watching on an IR screen.

So, first two shots of birds in flight.





So we see birds in flight that reflect so little IR that they are hardly able to be seen on the screen. Any further away and they would just drop right off the cameras ability to pick them up.