EU & UN Call For "Immediate New World Order"

reply to post by Wotan


Names have been named, not only here but in youtube and in many many other media sources (I name youtube, because that's where I've seen a number of videos of representatives and news sources giving further evidence, for those that preffer to hear something "official" from the MSM) and not just by people like us, but by even congressmen and representatives, some of it has even leaked out into the media. Again, it you that refuses to believe that it exists, because it would distort your perception of what your life is right now. Fine, continue deluding yourself into thinking life is rosy and our leaders are good people to trust in controlling the rest of the world.

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Anyone who believes the NWO does not exist, is either stupid, or has no clue what's going on around them. George Bush Snr himself said it...it's on youtube if you want the proof. George Bush Jr. said it...(again, on youtube)...Hell...even Clinton said it(Again, that's on youtube as well). You're hearing it right from the source. So what's the problem?

If a magician told you how to do the trick...you won't believe him? C'mon, get serious!

And anyone who welcomes a NWO order, is also a fool. And if anyone takes offense to that...too bad. I'm not sorry one bit for saying it. A New World Order by itself is a beautiful thing, but not with these people.

A New World Order is a new government structure(which is great), but that government structure will be run by the same people who run the current structure now. I'm not talking about your little politicians...they are puppets and run nothing. Only those who govern small countries are truly the ones calling the shots for their country. The politicians of big countries are controlled by the banks, AKA, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the Warburgs etc. This by itself seems like a nice thing...right?
Wrong! Anyone who knows the crimes these people have committed against humanity will NOT want them in charge of anything!

I ask you, seriously, who here will let a selfish, power-hungry, vile and evil man into their homes to dictate how their homes are run? Answer that question honestly. I'm sure all of you do not want that. Correct? Now, why the hell would you want that person to dictate your lives? Either you're insane, or blind. In either case...you need serious help to correct your sanity or vision.

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Listening to this discussion , especially here in the USA , what used to be one of the last bastions of freedom due to the founding fathers having been subjected to the one world government of old called the British Empire.

All colonies paid taxes to the British Crown and it's King, coincidentally named King George. These were colonies around the globe. China, India, Africa,Australia and North America. All paying taxes with absolutely no say in what they got in return which was absolutely nothing.

The problem with any Government is exactly what we're seeing has happened today in the US and in Europe. One Government who dictates being the key word here, all Federal laws to the individual state governments and it's people. That is exactly what the founding fathers were trying to prevent in the UNITED... STATES, which was intended to be a republic of individualized state governments with their own laws adhering to the Constitution. This was explicitly designed in order to prevented excessive centralized government control and resulting in taxation without representation.

Case in point: Take a look at the Federal Income Tax which was not part of the original constitution. The founding fathers wanted to prevent excessive government by limiting taxes strictly to apportioned or use taxes such as sales taxes. Your wages ,a god given right resulting from your labor, were intended to be ENTIRELY your own.

That was true freedom.

Originally posted by snidr

This has nothing to do with the NWO!

It's just a global economic thing. In the link you mentioned you can read about "Bretton Woods" conference. It's about fixed exchange rates, that will turn our gambling money into real value-based money again.

Oh, and that's not in the interests of the NWO, you should notice by now.

This is a high scale move against the NWO!

The NWO, as Bush sr. said it, is about enslavement of the whole world backed up with the help of the money flow and control (banks).

Now, where is the link here to the NWO

Wake up, people!

Thx OP, you could have edited your post (and headline) by now.
See how everyone reacts with no detailed information in background.
They swallow just anything.

This is frightening!

Well, I, for one, am not just "swallowing anything." I have been researching for myself and trying to maintain an impartial view of all this. But I think you are still missing the forest for the trees. One detail does not a New World Order undo. Leaders all over the place (Bush in the past, Gordon Brown, and now Sarkozy and Barroso) have been talking about New World Order recently (not to mention all the older references). And there are references in this EU Strasbourg speech to "New World Governance" by Sarkozy and "New Global Order" by Barroso.

You can't convince me that global economic change isn't going to affect the world in non-economic ways. And you can't convince me the plan won't look different when it is finally implemented, or that the New World won't get progressively more fascist with time. Not only that, but I've seen leaders disagree on details initially and then change tune later.

How about the bailout bait and switch which was just pulled on Americans? Or how about supposed anti-terrorism legislation which is being abused by not only the U.S. but also the UK (in the Iceland situation)?

Yes, I would need to (or will) analyze it more to have the most reasonable response to your post. However, for now I just think you are joining the voices that would silence the NWO concerns right now by telling us it's just nothing. There are too many *other* non-financial details in the big picture to believe that this is just nothing.

If anyone would like to jump in regarding the Bretton Woods thing, feel free. I still say it's a step towards the NWO, regardless of the details of which it will be comprised.

Originally posted by sdrawkcabII
A New World Order by itself is a beautiful thing, but not with these people.

Exactly.

For at least 10 years major production of goods was shifting over to China. These people never knew what a credit card was, half of them still don't know. They never had anything like the modern western behavior of spending money. They are keeping the wealth they earned. We can only have so much wealth distributed around the globe for a given amount of time and wealth cannot be produced out of nowhere. So it is like the global economy just had a stroke, since the spending flow has been significantly delayed somewhere over at China.
The rhythm of spending of the average Chinese citizen is not what was probably initially expected by this time from the powers that be and their government either did a terrible job of modernizing their behaviors in order for them to spend, or they did this on purpose, or either they complied with other governments and together all conspire on a global scheme.
The powers that be probably would not allow but a specific amount of wealth to circulate around the globe, in order for wealth in general to not lose its value.
There are roughly 800.000.000 farmers in China who save whatever they earn for a rainy day adding to that some hundreds of millions of the average gold buying Chinese citizen since money to gold=another form of saving and keeping the wealth you earned and you have nearly the 1/6th of the human population not spending anything in a global intertwined economy that it is designed for everyone participating in it to spend. Maybe even the mortgage crisis in US originated because some wanted to give a desperate push to the global spending until some developing country like probably China was ready to spend at last.

This in my own opinion is roughly the outline of the reasons that the financial markets appear as in a near collapse today.

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What have the countries that want to form a NWO to win with it?

And from what is seen this NWO would only be formed by USA an Europe , i really doubt that most other countries like China , most of all Africa etc...

The last two decades immigrant population of legal or illegal workers increased ten fold between the developed and the developing countries. Most of this new working class for reasons of their own and for reasons of their traditional ways did not spend but accumulate wealth. Much of this wealth was sent back and spread across near starving populations back then. Right now everyone is much better than it used to be since a redistribution of wealth has occurred but clearly that system never worked because we found ourselves in the state we are today since the average citizen in the developed world was forced to excessive loans in order to compensate for the missing money that somehow found their way out of his economy. That was Globalization, and after that comes New World Order to fix the problems this work force globalization philosophy has produced.
The final outcome might be very graphic as for a global economy might resort to more flexible methods and philosophies in order to cope with future crises easily, crises like this one, or future ones that modern problems might pale in front of them, we never know what future can bring after this current unexpected ordeal. More flexible citizenship rights recognitions across borders of different countries might be in order, even expansion of these rights at cases, that is a trend already prevalent in large parts of the globe already and some focus on giving this even more flexibility, think EU, think US-Mexico agreements, maybe future plans for similar flexibility between Asian and Eastern countries too, for more effective redistribution and balance of accumulated wealth across borders, could also exist between EU and Asian countries and vice versa. Along with all that can come a way more flexible philosophy of rights in the working place than we have already. This will lend an additional safety feature to any enterprises employing people, or so we will hear. Added to that maybe more effective and flexible models of societal behavior might be in order for our social education. A non married individual for instance is more cost effective for an enterprise than a married one with children.

The problem is that this whole globalization thing has already shown its imperfections and how in reality damages traditional concepts which are simply vanishing without anything any new and effective concepts being introduced in their place. A system if you wish that generates much more problems than it is here to solve until this civilization bubble will have to burst with unknown consequences.

We hear that we must replace and change our traditional concepts of for example religion, or reevaluate major chapters of our societal behavior but without anything else similarly effective to be put instead at their place. We are asked to change our ways for the system to survive, a system we have not designed and can not control. A system which as can be perceived by the current events cannot protect us effectively from itself or from its handlers.
It is expected that we will be seeking a solution to this problem and a way out. This, after all is what we as a human race did for generations and many times guaranteed our survival. It is expected that we are not to like the coming NWO and they know it.

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Originally posted by D4rk Kn1ght
uh huh. Us older 'crazies' ain't looking so damn crazy are we now? I mean we were laughed at in the early 1990's, derided mid-ninties, and now, now its all coming home to roost because to few were ignored by too many.

I had the same thing over 20 years ago when trying to tell people we will pay for every drop of water, that cleane air would be payed for, that we would end up living like 3rd world countries, etc.

The first two have come about, where water is more expensive than fuel and clean air is available to purchase at Oxygen Bars in many cities on the planet.

Now the last one is about to come to fruition due to this created global financial meltdown.

Back in '74 I told people about future technologies using Sound and another using Light that would be weaponized by the U.S.... and these things are in use now. People laughed at me then.

Many other things I saw or knew have been happening, so I am sure that most of what I've been shown will come to reality, especially the events of the next 2 to 4 years as the NWO finalises it's long term agenda.

No one is laughing at me now. Only took 30 odd years.

Shame no one listened back then when we had the time to get together and make changes first.

Originally posted by sdrawkcabII
A New World Order by itself is a beautiful thing, but not with these people.


Intent is everything.

Total Freedom sounds like a Utopian dream ~
But without morality ~ it`s our ultimate nightmare ~

Perhaps this is a "natural inhibitor" to mankind's expansionist goals (off world), the fact that we can only organise a few 100,000,000 at best.

As the saying goes ..... its often those that seek out power ,that are the least suited, to weld it . ( or is that from the Gladiator )

reply to post by cbass


You have said it all. Many people will never believe. Why waste time with them? Let these folks have a bear and wait to see. I am not an American. Escuse me for my poor English. I only want to tell you all that here in South America, Brasil ( we write with S), we are reading the threads. We agree with ATS. Be strong, friends. Bluestar

Originally posted by Truther

Originally posted by Donoso
It's interesting that combination of the words:

order
world
new
governance

automatically leads folks to believe they're talking about the fabled conspiracy theory. If you're out searching for "elites" talking, you're bound to find those words stringed together in any number of ways. That doesn't mean they're talking about some super secret group of men (because women aren't allowed into these quirky theories) that belong to the Illuminati, Freemasons, Knights Templar, or whatever.

So don't let hysteria catch a hold of you.

Hysteria? Im not being hysteric, What else is this then? Its not a conspiracy theory anymore, take your head out of the sand if you still believe this a theory, its in your face, everyones face, this is undeniable..

I cant believe there is still people that think this is a theory.. ITS FACT!

There's a huge difference between the conspiracy lead theory of an NWO lead by an elite group of men with links to freemason, illuminati etc etc that intend to enslave the rest of the world to their bidding and the current necessity of controlling global mechanisms. Banks are international ie global entities that did financial deals on a global scale with volumes of money larger than most countries and screwed up. This CANNOT EVER be controlled with national policies. You have to have "global world order" in to ensure that these arrogant greedy incompetant arse..les don't screw up the world again.

The volume of money is too large for one country.
There is a run on minor currencies and only the large ones are still stable.
National identity means absolutley nothing faced with this type of crisis.
Small countries are going to the wall and need bailing out.

Wake up!

****** They don't need an NWO to stay rich and screw up our lives ******

Wake up!

Here's something for you to ponder. How do you know that the concept of an "evil" NWO hasn't been spread by the elite to scare you into being against it to ensure that global order is not put in place to keep THEM under control?!?!?

Open your ears and listen. The bankers have started to complain in the background that regulation is not needed. They are getting nervous that "we the people" want global regulation. Surely for an NWO conspiracy to be true they would quietly be supporting those activities?!?!

"Those who give up Freedom for Security, ultimately lose BOTH !"

The people are going to be lulled into a "false" sense of Security, asked to give up their remaining Freedoms, and lose both because a Murderous Nut Case will rule the World and claim to be God himself !

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For those of you that think a global government/economy will solve our problems of national differences, wars, poverty, etc...i'm afraid you may be sadly mistaken.

The message will come across as making the lives of global citizens easier, and you are right when there will be no more "wars." The reason why there will be no more wars is because, simply, anyone who acts out against what the global government enforces will be labeled a terrorist and will be jailes and possibly even executed. It IS a means of control, far more effective than any religious or economic stranglehold. When the world works together, those in power police together, and when there is a small group of people controlling the policing of the global masses, they can essentially control the entire world from an office with a previously unimaginable scope.

Whether or not a global society is a good or bad thing is not the issue as the idea itself could work if people were allowed equal participation. The issue is whether or not the orchestrators are money/power-hungry elitists who are heartless when it comes to the benefit of humanity as a whole.

Originally posted by metaldemon2000
I for one would love to be able to go to a place like Iraq and see some of the most ancient ruines on the planet but i cant because of the wars we wage.

And you want to hand full control over to the evil men who started these wars? What makes you think they will let you do what you want?

reply to post by wintermarches

The original Bretton Woods system came into being at a conference of 44 nations beginning on July 1, 1944, in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, convened on the initiative of U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt. On July 22, the group agreed to create an International Monetary Fund (IMF) and a Bank for Reconstruction and Development, later known as the World Bank. The main purpose of these institutions was to deal with the economic problems of the European countries that had been devastated by war. They began to function in early 1945, as World War II was nearing its end.

1. The core of the new system was the arrangement for fixed currency parities, which would make it possible to revive world trade. The value of the dollar was pegged to a specific weight of gold, and, until the end of the 1960s, it functioned as the accepted substitute for gold. Exchange rates of other currencies were to be changed in relation to the dollar or gold, only as a measure of last resort, after national policy measures had been exhausted. Long-term investment and trade could thus be undertaken on a stable currency background, and risk of dramatic currency losses and speculation was nonexistent at that time.

From the beginning, however, there were clashes between the "free-trade" colonial policies of the British delegation, and the concepts of President Roosevelt, who had told Britain's Sir Winston Churchill as early as 1941 that the United States was not going to fight the war in order to restore Britain's colonies. After Roosevelt's death, unfortunately, his understanding of postwar economic policy was abandoned by successive Presidents (with the exception of John F. Kennedy), and the IMF and World Bank increasingly came to play the role of instruments of neo-colonial looting, on behalf of the British-based financier oligarchy. When President Nixon finally took the dollar off its gold backing in 1971, the Bretton Woods system became defunct.

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4. The President of the United States must act in concert with other governments, to put the existing financial and monetary system into bankruptcy, and to put a new world monetary system into place.

www.schillerinstitute.org...

Now you should ask yourself, if you see the devil in any phrase that starts with "new global" and "new world"? The above quotes should show you, that these phrases can be used in a good manner. You should ask yourself what in this world have to be changed. We should all agree, that the changes have to take place on a global scale AS IT IS a global problem!

Lyndon LaRouche has been the architect of just such a New Bretton Woods proposal for decades. LaRouche has called for the Four Powers -- the United States, Russia, China and India -- to take the lead in convening a conference to carry out a bankruptcy reorganization of the current, hopelessly bankrupt global financial system, and to establish, by treaty agreement, a new, fixed-exchange rate system, to end the tyranny of currency speculation.

www.larouchepac.com



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Well surprise, surprise...a call for a new world order eh? Right on cue..

Time to take up arms if they try it on. I for one aint going to lie down & be anyones bitch.

At the last Council of the EU heads of state and government in Brussels, acting chairman Nicolas Sarkozy proudly announced that the 27 member states had reached a consensus on his proposal for calling a “new Bretton Woods,” preferably in November in New York, to reform capitalism, revive the world economy, and eliminate deformities, from speculative finance to tax havens. Shortly thereafter, Economics Minister Giulio Tremonti, who, for some time, has characterized financial speculation as “the plague of the century” and has announced anti-marketist policies aligned with Sarkozy's, and claimed that the idea of a global meeting like the one in 1944 requested by British economist John Maynard Keynes (that allowed 44 countries to stabilize currency exchange rates and established institutions such as the International Monetary Fund), was his.

Interviewed by Corriere in Brussels, Tremonti then specified that he meant that he was the first among government officials to propose a “new Bretton Woods,” and that he was well aware that the idea had been pushed for many years by the American guru-politician Lyndon LaRouche, a historical enemy of financial speculation and deregulated free-marketism. The Economics Minister pointed out that he participated in a discussion with LaRouche in 2007 at a conference entitled “Marketism or New Deal,” organized in Rome by Alfonso Gianni, from Rifondazione Comunista.

www.larouchepac.com...

If it helps. Ron Paul would actually do the same thing.
Guess what, LaRouche was and Paul is a presidential candidate. Both get ZERO support. And this because they try to change the world.

If you have a better idea to change the world and you have a plan to implement it. Shoot! I'm open minded. But it has to be do-able, in this world, with the current government. What you wanna tell me now. Start a war against governments? Real terrorism like RAF did? Pray? ROFL

You should actually notice that protest change nothing. There are too few people who support our moves. There are to many brainwashed people out there.

The current move to implement a new economic and financial market is the only legal way and the only hope we have, atm. There is surly the problem that this gets out of the shape it was originally formed. The "British Empire" already try to jump in with there own "New Bretton Woods" by Brown, which will change only little but keep their power. Why should they do it? Because they don't want any changes. They want gambling money. They want looting other countries as they always did!

You get my respect if you actually research this your own.
It's lot of reading, decades of history to look at.

greetz
snidr

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if the PWTB are trying to implement a global economy/government what will happen to the countries that do not want to join. im not talking about large states, more like a lot af the smaller middle east states. will they just be exclude from import/export untill their economy collapses and the big fish then step in an take over ?

Originally posted by whoswatchinwho
if the PWTB are trying to implement a global economy/government what will happen to the countries that do not want to join. im not talking about large states, more like a lot af the smaller middle east states. will they just be exclude from import/export untill their economy collapses and the big fish then step in an take over ?

"Global economy" It's a global economy structure/law that takes care of trading. Every country has it's own economy.
A global economy will never exist in a total-global manner. A global economic analysis would just show how bad this world really is!

"Global government"
In this case your assumption is VERY possible.