If we was going to rebel against our govornments how would we do it?

reply to post by billyjoinedat2k8


a great way to protest - ignore the money of the government. organize in local group that aim to be self-sufficient , then meet your needs as a group. The government , elites etc only have the power we gave to them . Take it back ! so it would be like creating another United States inside the United States. See the amish community - of course they are a bad example in the way they stand against the technological progress, however their self-sufficiency is amazing..

I think toppling a government in the western world is pretty much impossible in one move. Especially in the uk as the people have no access to arms and violence would be required there would be no such thing as a peaceful take over, it’s a ludicrous idea. It would also have to be sustained

"Im mad as hell and wont take it anymore", yeah right as the riot police move in and batter your unarmed and defenceless head in.

So without arms you’re not left with many options other then to form a political party of your own but you would need quite a lot of financial backing and you would be thwarted as they are not going to give in easily, even if you started to gain momentum and support.

You could try to infiltrate political parties but to get in the right positions might take some years if not decades.

I think as a younger man an all out assault and swift takeover is a noble idea especially as we all know those intentions are for a fairer world, and the first step you would take as mentioned would be to ascertain a temporary leadership while a new democratic process was established and new people bought in.

It would therefore be a good idea to do a lot of research on the kind of people you would like to lead in this new democracy, so that once you have control you could invite them to help or even take charge.

You would also have to do something with those you have kicked out of power. They would not just back of and say oh well you win. What about all the Admirals, Field marshals and Generals, the big money men and corporate leaders.

And don’t forget the Gangsters

So you see my friend it would not be an easy task, you would be laying your own life and that of all those who chose to fight with you on the line and if you did not succeed and lived, then of to Guantanamo you go.

It is a nice fantasy to dream of eradicating the filthy scumbag hierarchy from the face of the world, but never going to happen.

Sometimes you should remember there are good people out there in power. Get smart and join them. Otherwise dream on.

Rule of thumb in a representative democracy, know wtf you are talking about when you decide for whom, or what initiative, you will cast your ballot.
Personally, I find it difficlt to digest the hollywooders or pop stars that think their opinions matter more than a regular Joes.
That being said, Madison Aver makes billions of $ off of people that listen to celeb endorsements.
I'm aking myself sick just thinking about the sheeple.

I think this is a great topic to get everybody talking and thinking of ways to quit giving our power away. There are a couple things I'd like to say, though.

First, I'm not sure the 'government' is the main problem. Who are the people/entities steering said government? That's probably the first big question. The following quote helped put it in perspective for me:

Permit me to issue and control the money of the nation and I care not who makes its laws. — Mayer Amsched Rothchild (If you don't know the name Rothchild, I highly reccomend googling it.)

In America, I can tell you the Federal Reserve issues and controls the money. When I hear people blame things on one party or the other I feel they're being a bit short sighted. The competition of the political parties is an illusion.

Second, what if being aware is the main element needed? I know it probably sounds simple minded but hear me out. I don't know about everyone else here, but I feel surrounded by people who aren't willing to even begin to think for themselves or step outside of the boxed reality they been given. Along the lines of 'When the student is ready the teacher appears.' - what if the action plan will take care of itself once there are more of us with an awakened mindset? Overthrowing the government won't wake people up, and it will be just a matter of time until we're right back here, giving our power away again because the masses never learned to think for themselves.

Again, I truly think the topic is noble. I just wonder if we could brainstorm ways of getting what we know out there to the general public - and hopefully in a palatable fashion.

Thanks for your time.

reply to post by dreamwithoutfear


Well said, I will deign to add that giving over to revolutionary will is going to be our final collapse.

Hi all,
I am glad that the initial post was made. I am having a hard time being single woman to find free minded people. Especially in my area (Dallas).

I am actually seeking to join a survival group to start or be in a underground economy.

If its been bad, its about to get worse.

Personally, I just dont want to be around all of this anymore...just want to go to nature and just live.

seriously, another one? can't you honestly just post your thoughts in an old thread ... there are plenty to choose from.

Stop focusing on the government and focus on yourself. Become more independant. Grow your own food. Fix yourself first. Learn how to survive in any situation. Stop feeding the problem by focussing on it through buying their crap products, and try to get off the grid as much as possible.
Fill your own pocket instead of theirs.

The US government is at a point where it would be just about impossible to topple it. We Americans let it happen slowly but surely over time. Like so many said, if we were to take up arms and march on D.C., the riot squad and the national guard would absolutely crush us through any means it takes.

Any large vocal/non-violent moves would be crushed as well. Our government is simply too powerful and corrupt to let anything else happen.

I think the only choice would be those extremes you see in movies. EMP, knock ourselves back 200 years. Use WMD's at key points. Or convince 80% of the public to back it.

Personally, I'm moving to northern Idaho, getting me a cabin in the woods, and buying lots of guns and ammunition. Oh, yeah, to hell with paying taxes or getting tags for my vehicles. I won't need a vehicle anyway. I'll just live off of grizzly bear meat and fish (without a license of course).

One way to sabotage the revolt ahead of time is by talking about it and advertising it ahead of time. It tips off the powers that be. And it gets them to infiltrate groups and/or websites like ATS to see if the people talking about it are actually serious and how they are going about organizing this revolt. It's the quickest way to get themselves and websites like ATS shut down. And I'm sure none of us here at ATS would like to see that happen. Preferably, I'd rather see a "Regime change" by doing what we ALL should be doing early next month, by voting. Relatively easy and costs very little in the way of human life, if I must say so myself. Not that I am trying to stiffle free speech. That's the furthest thing from myu mind. It's just my way of stating an obvious point that, in my opinion, needs to be reasonally well considered before starting such a conversation here at ATS. Of course, you are allowed to disagree with me on this. It is your right.

Originally posted by billyjoinedat2k8
reply to post by infinite

 

Theres something you guys should learn about me

..... im not scared of them one bit seriously

i cant believe that im the only one willing to say that and the only one willing to stand up for myself

dear billyjoinedat...

for sure you are not alone. I have got simular thoughts running thru my head. I really dont want to wait until justice from above will come.....no.

I m wondering how we can unite, all over the world. Stand up get up...kind of...

I thought, that if every consumer in the world, will stop spending money for some dayes, the impact would be noticeable. But I doubt that most people want to.....




[edit on 25-10-2008 by mae_thoranee]

Originally posted by billyjoinedat2k8
reply to post by infinite

 

Theres something you guys should learn about me

..... im not scared of them one bit seriously

i cant believe that im the only one willing to say that and the only one willing to stand up for myself

I have openly spoken about my beliefs in anarchism and socialism on this site and my ambition to be a part of a revolutionary movement (not assuming we share the same vision, but something drastically different nonetheless). I am sure I am on an FBI list, but if they were going to do anything about it, they would have years ago.

So speak freely. And if they blow up your car because of it; speak more

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


It has to be open. It can't be underground.

Well it can be. If the goal is just to form a rebel military force to overthrow the current government. But why? Why would be want that? We want a better system, a better society. It needs a replacement.

The only way that can be achieved is if enough people believe in it. It has to be open. The working force has to believe in it.

Therefore the Revolution should be more a matter of philosophy then fire power.

[edit on 25-10-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

Hmm...

While it is always good to think about our own freedom and safety from tyranny, rallying against governments, even as just a hint of rebellion, would get a web site shut down in no time flat by those very same governments.

All governments tell their citizens that they are the freest in the world. No one is free, in reality. So, we take the oppression. That is all we really can do until some other government/country comes in and "liberates" us. Only then could we take the opportunity to hurry up and make things better because the new government/country taking over will just oppress us as soon as they can too.

The best thing to do is vote for the ones who seem the least oppressive and keep giving them half our paychecks for nothing. There is no way to truly rebel and win anyhow. Unless you are a woman in Saudi Arabia, be glad you are at least freer than they are.

Having said that, I will give these hints:
The best bet to overthrow the current government in the short term is to vote. Vote for the minority or third party that most closely matches your beliefs, any chance you get. Encourage everyone around you to avoid the corporate owned major political parties, and to get out there and vote.

Suggested reading:
1984
Animal Farm
Alas, Babylon

Those three books are a great start to understanding the nature of government, the true extent of government control, survival if and when a rebellion or other major attack happens to your country, and the basic concept of "Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss." (Animal Farm) After reading those three books, you will be in the right frame of mind to truly begin answering your own question the best possible way.

[edit on 10/25/2008 by Rusty P. Shackleford]

Originally posted by xmaddness
reply to post by StevenDye

 

Most certainly he does. You cannot take a government out without immediately replacing the vacuum that will ensue. Any attempt to overthrow a government must also include a replacement.

End of story, you cannot have one without the other.

Well, actually...you can. It is called anarchy.

If we was going to rebel against our governments how would we do it '

Ok. Well, if we take up arms and threaten or actually hurt them physically, they'll kill or maim or imprison us. Then the rest of us will get scared and run away and bury our heads and be very obedient.


So .. we have to hurt them in other ways. Because if we don't hurt them, they won't listen or change, will they ?

How do we hurt them ? More importantly, how do we hurt them without getting hurt ourselves ?

What hurts them the most ? That's the first thing to be ascertained


Money ?

Yes ! Money !

Ok. So we stop buying gasoline. They don't expect we could ever live without it. Up to us to prove we can and will. Use public transport. Use feet. Use bicycles. Whatever it takes

Stop buying alcohol and cigarettes. They make massive profit on those and like gas .. they believe we can't live without them. Up to us to prove we can and will live without alcohol and cigarettes

Stop 'buying' the garbage they sell us as 'news'. Turn off the tv. Sell your tv. Burn your tv. Do not buy a new one. You don't need to keep up with people you know just because they have a big stupid plasma. You managed to live without tv once. You can do it again.

If people stop watching tv .. the ratings will drop.
When the ratings drop .. advertisers cease paying money for advertisements to be beamed into your hypnotised brain.
So .. by turning off your tv you will REALLY hurt them.

Stop buying print media. Do you really need to see another four page spread of Britney or Posh or Brangelina ? THEY don't need you. THEY don't care about you and your boring existence. So WHY do you need to fester about theirs ? You see ? So stop buying print media .. that means the putrid rags they have the hide to call 'news'papers .. plus all those stupid, infantile magazines about OTHER people's lives. Instead .. make your OWN life interesting .. to you.

Stop buying idiotic 'brand name' clothing and accessories.
Who do you think you are, just because you're wearing expensive plastic buckets on your feet that some Asian kid was paid a dollar a time for churning out .. so that you could pay a couple of HUNDRED dollars for them ?

Why do you think you're gaining attention and respect because you're wearing 'designer' jeans .. and getting around at the same time being free advertisement for the manufacturer ? Your bum is the SAME SIZE, no matter which brand you wear.

And ... if you're going to walk around the streets like a walking billboard --- then do it right and get PAID for wearing a sandwich board ! Never know .. it might become 'trendy'.

Ok .. think you've got it now.

To hurt them, you simply have to stop FEEDING them

When YOU stop .. THEY lose their power

You can do it if you want. If enough want to. It's not difficult. You will be better for it and so will your life.

Up to you

reply to post by Rusty P. Shackleford


Perhaps so.

But anarchy does not necessarily entail an absence of a system, or rules. That is a common misconception about Anarchism as a political philosophy. Granted this is an umbrella term and there are more then one branches under it. Still, most even encourage unions and other social collaborative functions. It is not about 'chaos'.