'US missiles' hit Pakistan school

reply to post by Subversive_Populous


have you watched your fellow americans at the latest rallies insulting each other, wishing death on each other over mccain and obama beliefs, people shooting up colleges and schools in your own country killing all the pupils, i do not believe that all americans are like that but a lot of you are, your soldiers killed and tortured and raped the viatnamese, yeah sure blame the goverment but you dont have to carry out their wishes with such zeal

Originally posted by ANNED
Madrassa religious school now that in North Waziristan is most likely a militant training camp.
news.bbc.co.uk...
why did the Taliban surround the site right after the attack was it one of there training schools???? or were the planting evidence to incriminate the US in hitting a school.
www.indianexpress.com...

I think it is a presumption to just automatically say it was a military training camp. None of us here can know that. Plus, the western mind dictates unfairly that the muslim religion is like the military.

Also, if the Taliban, the actual militant group, came to the area immediately, it was probably to see the damage and determine how they were going to respond to this, just as the American military would after a missile strike on our soil.

Originally posted by moocowman
Infested with Taliban ? Dude did you go to find out ?

Yes, North Waziristan is infested with Taliban and Al-Qaeda elements. Most of the men and supplies that cross over into Afghanistan use this areas as their staging point for planning, training and refuge. Until recently coalition forces would not target them directly. This is a horribly inefficient way to fight a war, for obvious reasons, the situation in Afghanistan reflects this. Now that we have found a window in which we can attack these forces on both sides of the border we are taking full at vantage of it since it wont likely last forever.

As for this specific attack, I suggest you do some reading and not get hung up up in a PsyOp directly, and intentionally caused by Taliban leaders.

The air strike apparently targeting veteran militant Jalaluddin Haqqani, a major target for US forces, was the latest in a string of attacks on Pakistani soil that have raised tensions between Islamabad and Washington.

Security officials said the madrassa, or religious school, near Miranshah, the main town in troubled North Waziristan region, was set up by Haqqani during the 1980s "jihad" against Soviet forces in Afghanistan.

It was currently run by one of Haqqani's own commanders, Mullah Mansoor, and was recently used as a guest house for "international and local students traveling from other areas".

Since the fall of the Taliban, Haqqani has become one of the most active Taliban commanders launching attacks on international forces in Afghanistan from safe havens in Pakistan, security officials said.

His son Sirajuddin, also a leading Taliban commander, was an occasional visitor at the madrassa that was hit on Thursday, a senior security official handling tribal unrest told AFP.

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Who the exact people killed remains to be seen, however one should not use a "school", and I use that term very loosely, for aid in terroristic activities. Fail to head this can and will result in the above mentioned events.

reply to post by snudger

Pakistan is full of Muslims - Case closed.

No it isn't.
Though Islam is the predominant faith there are also Christians,Hindus,Sikhs, Buddhists,Parsis and Bahá'ís.

reply to post by jakyll



We may disagree with some facets of muslim ideology, but should we wage war based on that? We had a relatively good relationship with these people before we started showing too much dominance over their lands.

Originally posted by GreyFoxSolid
The odd thing is that we can't really do anything about it. Writing your congressman is futile- they do whatever they do regardless of their constituents. No media outlet is going to give a common person a conference to discuss this, and no politician in the upper eschelon seems to be saying anything about it.

In response to myself and some of you who responded to this, I will refer you here-

A Penultimate Idea To Ensure American Civil Liberty

reply to post by THELONIO


Ignorance at its best. I dont pretend to be perfect, no one should . All I can say is Im tired of people like you acting like I(or any American) should start some personal vendetta to go out and stop the bad apples. Whens the last time you stopped a riot in you country, what is your revolutionary track history. Dont tell me that there is nothing bad to speak of where you live because evil is everywhere and violence against violence is a redundant and ironic solution. So I pose the question, what would you have all of us Americans do to stop this. Your all so smart, whats the solution? Pettition a government that doesnt care, go into the street with pamphlets...guns(thats about what it would take to stop someone from doing what they will, and I am not a violent person. -But wait Im an American right, I must have forgot about my standard issue stockpile of weapons all americans get upon birth/citizenship. The world is the problem, stop trying to point the blame and everyone get off your ass-this is a global economy. All issues are global issues, and every single continent, country, state, province, city, village, tribe has the capability or evil and guess what most will show it at some point if not all the time. On that same track anything capable of doing wrong is capable of good. Me, I'm waiting on that great plan of yours to reshape America your chosen cause and enemy.

carry out with such zeal...that must be why there are so many americans commiting suicide in war and even after coming home. That must be why the number of americans on anti anxiety and depression medication is so high. That must be why so many people on this site from america come in and praise all of the monstrous things carried out by our government. I guess thats why there are so many peace rallys and demonstrations across this country, you dont see this because you obviously would rather remain ignorant to the good people in this country do or try to do.

Sorry to rag on you, but this is getting rediculous. Short of a complete revolution there is not a lot we can do that would be immediatly noticable. And btw- honest question, In this day in age a small group of rebels has a small chance of overthrowing a Super Power,let alone- arguably the most dominant of the global powers(im not 100% sold on this personally, but thats another issue) HAS ANY FORCE BEEN ABLE TO TAKE DOWN A COUNTRY THIS SIZE FROM WITHIN? And dont bring up the taliban or any nonsense like that because we all have yet to see if that day will ever come, IMO it never will -sorry Osama, you will be dead long before that wet dream ever comes to fruition-if ever.

www.liveleak.com...

Watch this video. This guy is from a religious school. 90% of all suicide bombers come from Pakistan. And thats suicide bombers only.

I can't watch the video at the moment, though I would hardly believe a media outlet about a fact like that.

reply to post by GreyFoxSolid

We may disagree with some facets of muslim ideology, but should we wage war based on that? We had a relatively good relationship with these people before we started showing too much dominance over their lands.

Nope.
But too many people believe that we should.

One of the major problems that people have in the West is that they don't know the history of these countries.Britain since colonial times and the US since the 1930s-40s have been dictating and meddling in the affairs of the Middle East.

This is why many dislike the West.
Its not based on irrationality,its based on our behaviour in their countries.

Originally posted by deltaboy
www.liveleak.com...

Watch this video. This guy is from a religious school. 90% of all suicide bombers come from Pakistan. And thats suicide bombers only.

Oh yes anyone who attends a religious school is a suicide bomber.

I am disgusted at the attitude of Pakistan towards this situation.Corrupt politicians really have messed up the country for a few million $$$.They really need a president like Iran who doesn't give or take Sh** from anyone.If Iran can survive by putting it's finger up tp the West than so can Pakistan with its nukes and it will always have China backing it in tough situations espicially dealing with US.





[edit on 24-10-2008 by t0ken]

Agreed on both points.

I hate to sound like I am going against my country, but more and more I found out that my country is really a terrorist nation to other nations. We just have more professional weapons.

reply to post by deltaboy

90% of all suicide bombers come from Pakistan.

The US government has been claiming since January last year that Al-Qaeda is rebuilding in the Tribal lands of Pakistan.

Yet intelligence organizations from other countries who have been operating in that area have made no such claims or discoveries.

And given the America's current record of 'intelligence' information and corruption,i would triple check such claims.

It's always sad when young people get killed.

I guess it would be prudent to not place schools next to a militants home.


I feel sorry for the families of the students. I feel the blame should fall into the laps of the militants. If you are a militant move away from schools. Go live by yourself. Then when the US finds you, you will be the only person killed.

reply to post by jakyll


Well lets see...

1. Al Qaeda was created in 1988 from the Mujahadeen funded by the CIA as well as other intelligence organizations through Pakistan's ISI with training camps and supply of weaponry and money.

2. Taliban was created by the ISI by Pakistan in 94.

3. Most of the casualties and attacks have occurred on the Afghan-Pakistan border.

reply to post by Wildbob77


Terrorists and militants tend to take their families with them. Its well known.

reply to post by andy1033


When you use the word "you guys" you're using an awefully broad term, and saying everyone hates us, well that is just a lie.

Its the same old, same old.. ..the talibans etc hide in occupied villages, near schools etc knowing that they cant call in fast air (air support, british term). They know the they cant use bombers because of the colateral damage...thus escape.. they use their own people as a human shield..So, im sorry for the innocents, as a father myself, it disgusts me..if it happens, its accidental..as has happened so many times when the Americans cause a "Blue on blue" incident and kill three or four brits..THE JOYS OF WAR...bombs and bullets dont know the difference.

reply to post by snowen20


Crap like this makes me sick to my stomach. How easy it is to sit in another country and badmouth the U.S., right?

Heres a segment, well not a segment but in the last part of the video where they discuss about the enemy's ability to train and arm new recruits with impunity in Pakistan. Course the Predator attacks tend to show they aren't invunerable to attacks even when hiding in another country.