'US missiles' hit Pakistan school

Originally posted by Britguy
Who is actually operating these missile carrying UAV's?

The missile is actually fired by an Air Force E-5 sitting at a computer console at an Air Force base outside Sunnyvale, California. By their own rules of engagement, they are allowed to kill 20 innocent people to get at one suspected terwerwist.

One thing I don't understand about this war on terror, is why haven't we destroyed all the opium fields in Afghanistan. It's the Taliban's (CIA's )main source of income, which they then use to buy weapons. Surely common sense dictates that we should destroy all the opium fields. No opium = no money = no weapons = no war. These farmers should stick to growing crops that are legal.

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[edit on 25-10-2008 by kindred]

reply to post by andy1033
pinheads are the ones that put terrorist in the schools, if they hit the school bet yourself they use it because they figure they are protected, not that someone was located near it.

reply to post by SuperViking

Illegal? That doesn't even make any sense. All wars are "illegal".

If wars breach the United Nations Charter they are classed as illegal.

The Afghan and Iraq wars have breached this charter.


And Pakistan is fighting.But because they are not doing it the American way they are deemed as lazy and incompitent.

Really, the U.S. giving money to Pakistan to protect it's borders is bad for Pakistan, because they don't work to be more self sustaining in that respect.

i won't be surprised if the U.S. threw a nuke at Iran with Bin Ladin as the excuse.

That's probably what they will do actually.

Originally posted by jakyll
reply to post by SuperViking

 

Illegal? That doesn't even make any sense. All wars are "illegal".

If wars breach the United Nations Charter they are classed as illegal.

Ahh the UN.

Neither "breached" the UN charter. I don't even know how you could conclude Afghanistan did, and while you could say the UN didn't suppor the US in Iraq, that's simply because the UN didn't follow THEIR OWN binding resolution.

That's interesting though. "Illegal"

reply to post by SuperViking


So if NATO decided to invade America because they believed bin Laden was hiding there,would you laugh then and say that its a just cause?

Because thats exactly what has been done to Afghanistan.

What does that have to do with 'legal' or 'illegal'. It's like people just like to call things illegal that they don't like, and search for any possible circumstances that can back it up.

Sure, the invasion of Afghanistan is 'illegal' to the Taliban and the invasion of Iraq is 'illegal' to Saddam, but don't you think it's a bit disingenuous to call them 'illegal' to everyone?

reply to post by WestPoint23


Statements like that just fuel the world's animosity and hatred toward America.

Someone wrote on this thread that our military says they are justified in killing 20 innocent people to "get" one targeted person. That is utter bull#! Those who would kill 20 innocent people to "get" one targeted "suspect" are just mass murderers themselves.

We are 300,000,000 people in a world of 6,000,000,000! Try viewing the world as a community. You can only carry the biggest stick for so long until someone else finds a bigger one.

I'm voting Obama/Biden. We can't afford another 4 or more years of the same.

Edited to tone down the vitriole.

[edit on 10/26/2008 by dubiousone]

The US and Britain's current foreign policy is playing into the hands of extremists. The longer we remain militarily involved in Iraq and Afghanistan, the more mistakes we will make leading to loss of noncombatant lives, and each mistake will be used for enormous political capital, furthering their aims of recruitment and radicalization.

The problem is not simply the Taleban, or Al Qaeda. The problem is radicalization and polarization of opinions. Incidents like this do absolutely nothing to further the West's interests or long term security.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
What do you suppose a Madrassa in that area is teaching, how to sing Kum Ba Yah? Not that I condone targeting such institutions but lets not be naive here. These tribal regions are infested with Taliban and Al Qaeda elements. Naturally for one of these leaders a residence next to such an institution is ideal. Of course that particular building was not targeted purposely if it was known to be a Madrassa. However if they continue to shelter such people and allow them such refugee near such place, inevitability things like this will continue to happen.

reading your post made me sick to the gut!

"what do you suppose a madrassa in that area is teaching" - instead of putting a random MSM induced fear mongering ideology of a madrassa, i would encourage everyone on ATS to do their independent research to really find out what a madrassa is.

I live in australia and hold the degree's in the following; Law, Commerce, HR & IR. I also run a business and take part in anything which further's the cause of society. I also happened to be a student of a Madrassa for a whole year! *shock horror* ... but that did not make me an extremist or a suicide bomber nor do i support the horrid acts they commit in the name of religion.

My grandfather and all his six brother's also studied in madrassa's and were eventually 'sponsored' by the people who ran the place to go to a proper school after their hard work was recognised. Out of the six, two are doctors, one is a senior scientist with the united nations, another was the chief botonist responsible for bringing many of the desserts back to life in the arab countries, one was a policeman.

None of them are suicide bombers or the sort of people who would encourage that type of thing.

Just to put the record straight, a madrassa is a school. It is run by religious leaders or an Imam (head of a mosque) for the young children who want to study and who's families want their future generations to be educated but cannot afford to send them to school because of the crushing poverty they live in. Unfortunately a lot of the imam's who run these places are not highly educated themselves so they do the best they can and teach the kids to read and write - and offcourse, a madrassa being affiliated with a mosque teaches them the Koranic scripture.

I just hope that the people on ATS who claim to be 'denying ignorance', deny their own ignorance first and do some independent fact finding before taking everything that the MSM gives them for face value.

Edited to correct spelling
[edit on 27-10-2008 by 04326]

[edit on 27-10-2008 by 04326]

Interesting development:

news.bbc.co.uk...

Can peace with the Taleban be achieved under the circumstances? Is there even such a thing?

An inclusive political framework seems to have solved a lot of the internal violence in Iraq with regards to groups such as the Ba'ath party and Moqtadr al Sadr's followers. The approach also eased tensions with the IRA in Britain and Northern Ireland (at a great cost to those that had lost loved ones in the troubles).

So do you think something similar can work with the Taleban? Or is it a bit naive to assume that every terrorist (/freedom fighter, /militant, etc) just wants to have his voice heard?

reply to post by SuperViking

What does that have to do with 'legal' or 'illegal'. It's like people just like to call things illegal that they don't like, and search for any possible circumstances that can back it up.

In the case of Afghanistan.

After September 11 President Bush called the attacks an act of terrorism,which they were under the United States domestic law definition at that time.Soon after and apparently after consultations with Secretary of State Powell,he proceeded to call these an act of war.They were not an act of war as traditionally defined.An act of war is a military attack by one state against another state.There is so far no evidence produced that the state of Afghanistan,at the time,either attacked the United States or authorized or approved such an attack. (and keep in mind 15 of these 19 people alleged to have committed these attacks were from Saudi Arabia,not Afghanistan)

Bush went to the United National Security Council to get a resolution authorizing the use of military force against Afghanistan and Al Qaeda.He failed.You have to remember that.This war has never been authorized by the United Nations Security Council.The same goes for Iraq.
Bush then went to Congress,and,despite all the rhetoric we have heard by the Bush administration Congress never declared war against Afghanistan or against anyone.There is technically no state of war today against anyone as a matter of constitutional law as formally declared.These 2 wars have never been approved by the U.N. Security Council so technically it is illegal under international law.It constitutes an act and a war of aggression by the United States against Afghanistan and Iraq.


Do you understand now?






[edit on 28-10-2008 by jakyll]

Of course the UNSC wasn't going to green light any American manuever, Russia and China are on it. It's a political move.

Why do you put any creedance in the UN whatsoever? The only times the UN has been able to do anything is when Russia either boycotted the whole apparatus (Korea) or was too weak to do anything but rubber stamp any other powers' goals (Gulf War).

Which is why I have to laugh at 'legal' and 'illegal'- like that matters!

reply to post by SuperViking


Did you not read what i said properly?

The US Congress has not declared war,it is breaching its own laws never mind the UNs.

A terrorist act has been used to fuel a war of aggression against 2 countries and nothing you say will make it legal,right,just or whatever word you want to use.





[edit on 28-10-2008 by jakyll]

So legal means 'just' or 'right', to you? Okay.

I definitely think both wars were 'right' in the sense that they follow the raison d'etat of the US. And that's what the government of the United States is supposed to protect and expand.

Congress has very little to do with it- look into the War Powers Act.

I kinda figured you were crying about 'illegal' as an excuse to proclaim it as 'wrong', I just wanted to hear your reasoning behind it. Turns out, there wasn't any.

Paki ISI. Pure crapola. These "schools" are training centers for terrorists. The BBC made sure to CYA on this one by using plenty of off the record informants.

I thought I was angry at hearing the US went into Syria and bombed and killed Innocent Men, Women, and Children...According to Syria. Even if innocent life wasn't taken...what the hell are we doing in Syria throwing bombs? Did we have an agreement threw the U.N. that if we found any *Bad Guy's* in Syria the gloves were off? Did we have an agreement with Syria stating that if we had good intel that the *Taliban* was with-in their boarders *It's ON!*?? I seem to remember before we told the U.N. to *Fu**OFF* concerning Iraq we at least asked their permission...errrrrrrrrrr if they had any idea's? Ok...not so sure what went down within the walls of the U.N. concerning Iraq...but I do know we basically told them to *EatIT* we were going in...to hell with what anyone else thought!!! What the hell is the US doing bombing Syria? Syria was right in calling it a *Terrorist Act* Another ATS'er said had the role been reversed and it was Syria that came in and bombed a school killing our children... olord... Syria was where on the map?

To have some ATS'ers actually excuse the US because they were told bad men had set up camp close to the school...to bad..so sad...*basically* ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!?!! I am now responsible for knowing what my neighbors are doing? That's ridiculous. As 911 was a false flag so Bush and his elitist buddies could get their claws into the MiddleEastern Oil...Going into Syria I fear could start an incident that Bush and his Skull and Bones friends could only Pray for! If it happens before jan 2oth...does he set forth Martial Law? Thus preventing the New President from taking office? Yea it might sound a little off the wall to some...to those some I say this...it's because you haven't done your homework. Your blind to what is really going on within the walls of the WhiteHouse and Bush & Friends! Anyone that could kill over 3ooopeople domestically and God knows how many overseas...what would they do for the *end game*???

Educate yourselves....before it's to late! That's why McCain needs to be stopped or he'll just carry on the evil deeds of Skull and Bones. It's not to late for someone with morals and values to get in and start to change this whole thing around. Apologize for Bush....show dignity, respect, caring and honesty above all else...we could be alright. The bad thing is...you can't fix this in a short period of time. 2 wars, war crimes, lies, ripping up our constitution, torture, the health and well being of our military...*brain washed* Economy, letting people like Dick, KBR, Brother Bush to rip us off consistently, Corps taking our money...lying, laughing, HUGE BONUS, etc.etc...


And last but not least....we the American People allowing Him and others like him to get away with it. Once we all speak up collectively, instead of being SPLIT...richman poorman...not getting in over our heads...CREDIT..CREDIT..CREDIT....this would have never happened to the degree it has!!!

ok...well, I think I'm done. Although I could insert so many more facts and proof...I feel I should give it a rest. I think my points been made.

*Let Freedom RING*

reply to post by die_another_day


What a super intelligent well thought out response, because we all know the U.S. throws nuclear weapon strikes around at random.

Do yourself a favor and think before you post, maybe research U.S. history, etc.