ABC Nightline news: The UFO Disclosure Process Has Begun

reply to post by FlyersFan


While I agree with you, I see a major problem. If we consider them a threat and blow them out of the sky they will come back with more. And I am doubting we will win a war against them.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Telos
This ABC Nightline News segment portrays the Extraterrestrial presence as a military “threat,” a reality which is not consistent with the intentions and presence of upper-dimensional ethical Extraterrestrial civilizations.

How the hell would they know what 'reality' is in regards to the intentions of ETs??

How the hell would they know that they are 'upper-dimensional and ethical' ETs?

Poppycock!

OF COURSE they are a threat! They kidnap people from all over the planet. They perform painful experiments on them and mess with their memories. They seem to have no regard for humans and our sufferings - and in fact the ETs CAUSE MORE SUFFERING by their experiments on people. Not to mention the fact that there is some kind of secrecy going on between the ETs and the shadow governments.

I couldn't see your links - but I say that whoever has a problem with calling the ETs a threat need to get their head examined.

Kind of ironic, I bet most lab-test animals feel the same way. We are using them for testing why? For the "greater good." How do we not know that alien life is not doing the same with us?

They are studying us so that they can be of the greatest benefit? No one knows why what happens does, it's all conjuncture and guesswork. It's human nature to assume the worst.

I personally don't believe we are any closer to full disclosure regarding the phenomenon than we have been before,,, nothing good usually comes from the media. I mean that documentary ABC's seeing is believing was just ridiculous,,, they actually called Roswell a myth, took the opinion of an astronomer who can't even tell the difference between a UFO and the moon, and completely discredited and disrespected the credible and accurate testimonies of Jesse Marcel Senior and his son.

But I still try to remain optimistic as much as I can, hoping that one day we will get the disclosure we all want.

By the way OP, I am flagging this thread for sure. Any thread dedicated to the subject of disclosure is an interesting thread indeed

[edit on 23/10/08 by Majorion]

Another interesting question, assuming they are benevolent lifeforms, how far will they allow us to go?

Even now we are blowing the living hell out of each other, we are reaching crisis point with Iran and thats going to be a crisis point with Russia (doubly so given current affairs with Russia), most likely a tense situation with China. In a sense as we stand right now we are just one war from a world war, which is a scary thought when you consider the players at the table.

Iran are seemingly hell bent on letting things escalate, USA are hell bent on stopping them, Russia are hell bent on stopping USA stopping, and any benevolent life watching must be asking itself some hard questions right now.

How far do we allow humanity to go? Can we sit back and allow them to destroy life on Earth? Are humanity more valuable than all the other species on the planet?

This in itself could explain both the vast increase in sightings and objects, indeed as was said in another post since we nuked hiroshima things down here seem to have become of great interest to "someone" or at least it has sparked a swathe of UFOs. In turn im sure those in the "knowledge loop" lets say (this considering the very valid point that maybe its as much commercial and private as military controlled these days) will have become aware of this increase and must be asking themselves the question, what happens next.

So maybe disclosure and getting the public up to speed is becoming a time critical event, everyone knows aliens popping up and announcing themselves out of the blue would NOT be good for those who already know more than they are letting on.

My personal feeling is something is building behind the scenes, UN meetings, Government agreements, released files, relaxed media control, everything suggests we have entered a new stage of the game where nobody can afford a planet full of mushrooms anymore.

Originally posted by Majorion
I personally don't believe we are any closer to full disclosure regarding the phenomenon than we have been before,,, nothing good usually comes from the media. I mean that documentary ABC's seeing is believing was just ridiculous,,, they actually called Roswell a myth, took the opinion of an astronomer who can't even tell the difference between a UFO and the moon, and completely discredited and disrespected the credible and accurate testimonies of Jesse Marcel Senior and his son.

But I still try to remain optimistic as much as I can, hoping that one day we will get the disclosure we all want.

You have to understand that despite popualr belief the media control is not a direct device. Its not like someone in dark suits briefs every journalist on no UFO subjects.

Its more likely been a subtle dissuasion technique, kind of HQ saying "look we are a "serious" news entity so this topic isnt suitable, stick to matters of genuine public interest" a subtle painting of the "crackpot" picture.

We now have a media which has got very used to treating the issue with disdain and has never really been allowed to think seriously. If disclosure is happening then it would start with a "relaxing" of the reigns.

HQ wont be sending those little directives on "crackpot" or "invalid" stories, and journalists will slowly nudge at the subject until they get used to the idea. Remeber many journalists are USED to treating the subject as a joke and nobody in a dark suit is going to appear and say "take this seriously" thats going to come with time and momentum.

Originally posted by silver6ix

So maybe disclosure and getting the public up to speed is becoming a time critical event, everyone knows aliens popping up and announcing themselves out of the blue would NOT be good for those who already know more than they are letting on.

My personal feeling is something is building behind the scenes, UN meetings, Government agreements, released files, relaxed media control, everything suggests we have entered a new stage of the game where nobody can afford a planet full of mushrooms anymore.

I agree that there is something fishy going on, considering the UK have become much more open to the subject of UFO's releasing their previously classified UFO files and with the Vatican stating that it's okay to believe in extraterrestrials. If there is a disclosure plan,, it's only a very slow and gradual one IMHO.

Originally posted by Majorion

Originally posted by silver6ix

So maybe disclosure and getting the public up to speed is becoming a time critical event, everyone knows aliens popping up and announcing themselves out of the blue would NOT be good for those who already know more than they are letting on.

My personal feeling is something is building behind the scenes, UN meetings, Government agreements, released files, relaxed media control, everything suggests we have entered a new stage of the game where nobody can afford a planet full of mushrooms anymore.

I agree that there is something fishy going on, considering the UK have become much more open to the subject of UFO's releasing their previously classified UFO files and with the Vatican stating that it's okay to believe in extraterrestrials. If there is a disclosure plan,, it's only a very slow and gradual one IMHO.

They cant push the agenda because journalists have never been in the loop, in a sense media has been manipulated and us through them. If they start receiving instructions to run this stuff for no reason, a thousand investigative journalists will get their tails up.

What I feel will happen is there just wont be any discouragement. HQ wont make its little sideways comments about "valid stories" and will probably start to "accept that theres public interest" and from there journalists and editors will do what they do: sell stories which match public interest, as interest grows, more motivation will come because it matches the ideal of the paper, to sell more copies for example.

Once it reaches a level of huge public interest, then you will probably see official bodies "recognise public concerns" and start to be more "proactive" and it will all slowly blend into an acceptance until everyone knows.

This is just my feeling on the issue. Media control had to be a subtle manipulation of facts, if it was overt many, many journalists would have gotten suspicious and become whistle blowers long ago. Media is ignorant of where its strings are being pulled from.

[edit on 23-10-2008 by silver6ix]

Disclosure?
What are they "disclosing"? things that are in the common main stream media anyway.
Now if they come out with something none of know about, that would be real disclosure, but all they are doing is throwing the dog a bone which he has gnawed on time and time again.
They are pulling the wool over our collective eyes with the crap they are letting out.
(and most people are falling for it all)

reply to post by Lyrian


Your 100% correct Lyrian! It just appears that people want to make more fuss over this than it really deserves. Everything we're seeing via the mainstream media is old hat!

Like SaviorComplex mentioned, we had a similar thing in the 90's with the X-Files, Sightings etc gaining much popularity and everyone was screaming "Disclosure is just around the corner"... but it never happened. I think that UFO's are just a fashionable topic right now and this is simply an example of the media cashing in.

IRM

hmmm well its seems something is going on lately........

Over here in Australia in NSW, 3 major news channels have made reports about UFO sightings and the recent de-classified DoD reports..... we never get reports abouts UFO here !!!!

also a friend of mine called me the other day and left me this bizzare message on my fone stating that he had just seen a large silver, metallic cigar shaped object appear in the sky over Newcastle NSW that shot around at hyper sppeds then just vanished into thin air....

not really sure whats going on but I get the feeling were going to find something out real soon

Ah, maybe the governments will come out and say that ETs showed up, met with them, and decided (based on the "leader"s) that earthlings are just too stupid to have dealings with them. Perhaps the non-Terran fellows said "Ya, we'd help you guys out with all this sort of "problems" you present us with...but it's just not something we get involved with."

What about what so-and-so said a few posts up, about germs and stuff? In that video I was thinking that the "aliens" that woman took pictures of might be in a cloud of mist to keep our germs off of them...could be that is also some form of mobile atmosphere for them, "like how on that one movie" Predator - he had that mask thing to breath his kind of air?

I don't care if the NTs have an agenda or if they want to like, ya know, use us for cattle or whatever. I just wish they would donate some scientific advancements to us, publicly. What harm is it to give up a little info...maybe a plan for self-replicating deep-space drones?

The french government declassified vaults of files of their UFO investigations. But still, nothing that they released actually confirmed contact or the existence of extra terrestrial life.

Of course they are not going to release confirmation just because of declassification of files. Surely everyone must realise there are "classified" classified files....??

I don't see why it is unsettling! We have been waiting for this for hundreds of years! There is no doubt in my mind people will be scared and anxious about it. But after the disclosure, aliens may come back to earth and make physical contact.

we don't know if they are hostile or not, or if they even exist yet. But im guessing in the next few years we will find out

There could be something dark and sinister about it all...

What I've never been able to understand about UFO's is why, if they're real, aliens don't come and land in a busy marketplace and sign autographs? In the modern world - Aliens are bigger than the most well-known celebrity! They'd make billions!

On a more serious note, if aliens are trying to keep from influencing our development, why do they feel the need to light up their ships with blinking lights? Why is it that their ships also blink at night if its all a covert visit? As pics taken during daytime have shown, alien ships can turn all their lights off, and we can see their ships as plain as day, so why have the need to light up in the first place? Some form of "Faster than light" drive that needs to be powered up?

If it's not a covert visit, why haven't they landed somewhere public yet? Or do they just not care about us? I believe governments fully know about the alien presence, but maybe UFO's have been shot down one too many times, so see us all as hostile, but in that case, why aren't there millions of their ships invading our planet and wiping us out?

Maybe the aliens are the real masters of this planet? We all know about the Masonic/Illuminati pyramid structure when it comes to their organisation, so maybe at the very top, aliens are the ones that are in ultimate control of human existence. It would also explain why wars are started by the west with no regard for human life, since the aliens wouldn't give a crap about human life. But then, that would beg the question - Why are they here in the first place?

On a more serious note, if aliens are trying to keep from influencing our development, why do they feel the need to light up their ships with blinking lights? Why is it that their ships also blink at night if its all a covert visit? As pics taken during daytime have shown, alien ships can turn all their lights off, and we can see their ships as plain as day, so why have the need to light up in the first place? Some form of "Faster than light" drive that needs to be powered up?

If it's not a covert visit, why haven't they landed somewhere public yet? Or do they just not care about us? I believe governments fully know about the alien presence, but maybe UFO's have been shot down one too many times, so see us all as hostile, but in that case, why aren't there millions of their ships invading our planet and wiping us out?

The most economical explanation: the blinking lights are human craft.

Now, if we assume that they are ET's, then the potential answers could be:

1) Yes, the light is an unwanted side effect from the physics of the propulsion. During the daytime, presumably the light is emitted as well, but we can't see it because of the much brighter diffuse sky, just as stars don't stop shining during the daytime---we just can't distinguish them from atmospheric scattering.

2) The ET's are "covert" in the sense that they don't feel any need to start a mutual two-way understanding, but they simultaneously don't feel a need to take extraordinary measures to conceal themselves at all time, because there aren't any consequences.

3) They haven't wipe us out because they see no benefit in it, or perhaps their interest in the planet includes something about us. Even if their interest in us doesn't appear to correspond to anything we need. I.e. the ET's are in it for them, not us.

Combining #2 and #3---if they had an overriding interest in "earthlings having no knowledge of ET's", then they'd simply buzz off and never come. If they are coming, then they are balancing the convenience of whatever they're getting here, versus some interest in not making it too obvious.

What would be "too obvious"? Sufficiently overt contact that humans would be encouraged to organize active resistance or denial, hurting the ease that ET's can pursue whatever they're doing.

"Disclosure" is in 100% control of any ET's, not humans. My opinion is that the lack of such is the result of ET's policies, and that they are doing so for their own interests.

If certain government elements were certain about ET contact---and lack of ET interest in mutually beneficial overt relationships---then they would come to the same conclusion regarding disclosure. Namely, what would be the result if they did admit ET's were coming here, but they had no idea why? First, they'd be blamed for not telling people, and then they'd be blamed for not protecting people. Regarding the second, there would be a major push to fight back against ET which they realize we would lose badly.

Then there's the possibility that the government elements were told by ET to shut up, or else: "nice planet you've got here. Shame if anything happened to it".

That fact sure could motivate a pretty aggressive cover-up, right? And it would be the right thing to do, too.

Originally posted by Disclosure Agent
hmmm well its seems something is going on lately........

Over here in Australia in NSW, 3 major news channels have made reports about UFO sightings and the recent de-classified DoD reports..... we never get reports abouts UFO here !!!!

Mate, I was just about to say the exact same thing (except for the thing about a friend seeing one )

I have also noticed that the past few days there have been quite a few reports on declassified ufo documents, sightings and encounters. Very interesting, maybe Aus will be the first to fully disclose

A few weeks ago they were reporting on other ufo things as well. Maybe they will continue to report on it more and more, until everyone is used to it and it won't be such a shock when something does happen.

i don't particularly like the look of this. The reason why i say that is because more and more people working for the government and in the media are saying they are a threat to us. Now, how many times have you heard whistleblowers such as the woman in the disclosure project say that the government is going to stage an alien attack on the people. Just like 9/11, they are going to inject fear into society and take away our libertise by saying aliens are trying to destroy us.

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Question: What makes you say von Braun's good name? Is there some proof of his good name or is this just your thoughts? Just wondering and I am not trying belittle you or any body else.
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Listen, when i hear people say that Aliens are a threat it kinda puzzle's me, why are Aliens or UFOS a threat?

Plus why do people believe Dr. Carol, how do you know she's telling the truth? She mite be full of it!

We need to sort out our own crap before be start meeting Aliens! When we do sort out our own crap, then we can explore space in peace!

We are slowly being desensitized for the alleged big reveal. Oh yeah. Don't forget about the TV ratings that these stories can generate. UFO programming is all over several of the large cable channels and now the Networks are climbing on the bandwagon. Just look at the advertising on the ATS website. We are all chipping in to the big pot o gold.