Window of Opportunity

I agree that it would, in theory, be possible for a "well versed" RA/conspiracy student to go through with something like this.

However, as with the RA material it's not just the linguistic complexity. What really impresses me with the RA material is the context RA "comes from". Linguistic complexity can make idiots look smart (study "modern philosophy" like Jürgen Habermas and you will know what I mean. Extreme linguistic complexity, but it's all essentially noise that amounts to nothing).

What's impressive to me is the sense of vastness and distance I get from the RA material. I mean, it really comes of as "out of this world". It really feels like some higher intelligence far removed from "worldly drama" speaking here. And that is very very hard to fake without adding an involuntary flavor of pretentiousness into the mix.

With HH it's a bit of the same. He is much "closer" to us than RA is. But still there is something in that discourse that is not easy to fake. Even if you have all the info up front. Being well versed is not enough either, because that is content, and what I'm talking about is the context he "comes from". That's what I pick up on.

Anyone who writes/speak is coming from a certain context. What determines this context is their overall level of consciousness/awareness, their motive/intention (both conscious and unconscious), and not so much their ability to express themselves linguistically.

Yoga Sutras of Patanjali is very simple linguistically, yet you can feel that the author is coming from a profound context and a high level of consciousness. And that's what I feel from HH also. He's actually coming from a high above average level of awareness/consciousness.

And I'm not talking about a person who is "well read" here. It's his being. Look at all his answers where he comes up with his own "material". More or less everything he says is jam packed with subtle meaning and multi-layered. Again, not easy to fake at all.

A person of high awareness would not engage in a "simple hoax" just to amuse himself or for some other silly reason. Especially not when he's aware of the karmic reciprocations of attempting to mislead people in a "serious" matter like spirituality (or in any other matter for that matter).

I think this HH message is either what he says it is, OR it can be a "well versed and well read" person of high awareness reaching out to all those trapped in the "hating the elite" dualistic game.

If the latter is the case the intention would be to provide a larger perspective (half based on RA and half based on his/her own "fantasy") for people to realize that "hating and opposing" the elite/rulers is not really beneficial for oneself or for the world. He choose a conspiracy forum because there are bound to be a lot of such people here...

Since his intention is pure and STO it is OK to use "fantasy/parables" to demonstrate a point. Intention is really all that matters karmically, because that is the only thing you can really control. You cannot control outcomes, but you can control what you contribute to any situation, and so you're karmically responsible for intention (both conscious and unconscious) and not for outcomes.

("meaning well" is no excuse if deeper down you really meant to hurt. You are karmically responsible for the totality of what you put out. And in most people that can often be a mix of "well meaning" on the surface, and not so well meaning "below the surface". With HH his main points seems to be STO and well meaning to me, but I guess the 2012 stuff can be misleading, and even scary for some...)

I really don't know, but I do feel that there is more to this discourse than "a simple hoax".

double posted by mistake. Please delete this...

Originally posted by VisitorQ
A person of high awareness would not engage in a "simple hoax" just to amuse himself or for some other silly reason. Especially not when he's aware of the karmic reciprocations of attempting to mislead people in a "serious" matter like spirituality (or in any other matter for that matter).

A number of us, myself included, would agree with your comments. Just a couple more thoughts...

Assuming it was one aware person (I haven't quite ruled out group effort yet) maybe they were willing to take the karmic consequences of misleading people about their identity if it meant potentially awakening others. Isn't that the sort of thing a very selfless person would consider. But it may not have even been a case of "the ends justify the means" at all...............

Many souls of those people who began awakening from reading the HH had incarnate minds which normally wouldn't have been receptive to such material as they were still stuck on the conspiratorial, earthly side of things. Their souls thirsted for the knowledge and may have not minded at all if the incarnate mind or ego was mislead about something so unimportant as identity of an internet poster if it meant the entity received the important truth it so eagerly needed. For all we know there even may have been prior (to incarnation) agreement form both parties, fulfilled with the help of synchronicity. What i'm getting at is that it might not have been deception that warrants karmic consequences at all.

I dont want to sound cliche,

But I guess in the end the question we should be asking is what do our hearts tell us?


Discernment though reading the vibrational energy signature of the entity in question provides knowing, rather than the vague unsure speculations that arise from analysis by our limited intellectual minds.

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Yea, that was exactly what I was getting at with my post.

I've been fortunate enough to spend time in the presence of 2 different people in this life of a very high level of consciousness (so high that the field they produce is both clearly noticeable and has great potential for transforming whomever spends time in that field - it's called Satsang (eastern tradition)).

One thing I learned from spending time with such people is that they will say/do almost anything in their effort to wake people up. They are so unpredictable and spontaneous and you cannot really trust a word their saying because they'll say the exact opposite a moment later. This is forcing you to go deeper in yourself and start trusting what you feel deep inside instead of the words of some outside source.

Point is: People of high awareness will make up stuff, lie, joke, curse, yell... they will play on the full spectrum of the instrument of your body/mind/spirit.... and they will do it all as basically "an act" coming always from a selfless, STO, spacious, silent, and loving space/context inside.

I really wish I had been here when this thing was "live"... But it's an interesting mystery.... And I guess 2012 and beyond will provide some answers at least (otherwise we'll have to wait until we are dead and hopefully we have access to "everything" from the other side...

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Who ever wrote this magnificent thread, hoax or not is genius, absolute genius, pure and simple, It has been the single best thread I have ever read, anywhere, on any site, on anything i have ever been interested in. It warmed my heart to the core and IMO hoax or not if everyone on the planet lived by what is being said then whoa!

Hoax maybe?
Inspiring most certainly!

Thanks

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Heya VisitorQ.

Im not (and wouldnt) dismiss anything about being in contact with people in an higher conscious level. Something I learned soon after one grandious realization, triggered by a conversation with such a person, is to never forget to realize the almost oposite awareness of 'knowing it' and 'being it'.

Im not sure if my next suggestion would actually apply to you, but even if it doesnt, its still a nice read in case you havent read it yet:
Chuang Tzu (taoist figure) The Wheel Maker (short story) www.truetao.org...

wow, very entertaining to say the least.
Maybe a Hollywood movie could do it
justice for mass distribution.

As far as the content, very enlightening and
very disturbing at the same time.

Hoax or not, it was a stroke of genius.

But it def confirmed a few thoughts I had
that Lucifer is behind the NWO and the
elites are conspiring toward a good harvest
of sinful unsaved souls.

And since Dec. 2012 is only 21 months away,
we shall know soon enough. In all of HH's post
of the pages I read, nowhere is hell mentioned.
It says that souls are re-incarnated in another earth
to start over again. Kind of misleading IMO.
Of course I didn't read ALL of the pages
so I may have missed it.

So now we have an entity who says Lucifer
and his minions are good and they love us
and are only doing this cause they were contracted
to do this. If they loved us so much, why do they need
a contract, would they do it completely out of love
instead of being forced to do it?

Also another thing, HH talks about the Council of Elders
on Saturn. But then talks about things from other universes
outside our solar system. Why is this council on Saturn
when there are so many other suitable planets in other
galaxies?

I also notice there is not one single shred of
evidence HH produced other than his words
on a forum. Or maybe he'd like to point out
the Council's Headquarters Building/Structure
on Saturn? Oh yea, that's right, we can't see
it cuz it is in another dimension.

I think this is a propaganda tool by the elites
to make people fall over to their enslavement
without putting up a fight. Yea, the elites love
us alright. They keep us enslaved to natural
resources they control so they can make a profit.
If they were a spiritual entity, why would they need
the money ??? If they were truly what HH is
describing here, then we would have free energy
not connected to a fossil fuel intravenous IV.

Sorry HH, not buying it.
But def a well thought out hoax.
I will give ya credit for that
You get an A+ on your graduate thesis.

Part of Lucifer's job is to discredit
the words of God in the Bible. I think
this thread tries to do exactly that.

I'll stick to Christianity thanks
besides that is what my heart is telling
me.

And if I had the opportunity to ask HH
another question, it would be:

What part does George Soros play
in this scenario? And secondly, what
real name did your creator give you ?

I have read the writings of HH several times now..and subsequently read some of the Ra (I am Ra...blah blah)....
Frankly, I think it is foolish to believe this whole heartedly. My gut instinct is to think that *if* this is real, then it is Satan trying to fool people away from God. I am not a fanatical Christian, but I do have Christian beliefs. I have never belonged to a church because I do not like "religion". Do not follow Lucifer, no matter how inviting he seems. It is a trick, I think. Yes - do unto other as you would have done to you, but only because that is how God would have you do. Not because Licifer would.

Originally posted by liveyourlife
My gut instinct is to think that *if* this is real, then it is Satan trying to fool people away from God.

Of course it is. It has to be.

(Through such a narrow filter that is)

I welcome you dear Messer, I presume that you are the one who ought to have a conversation.
I hope for the possibility of contact with you, not only through this forum. In fact, I can convince you that there are more effective means in the digital world for dialogue
Excuse me for my bad English.
I think these materials are of interest to you
m3ra.ru...

So the 'dark side's' objective is to 'hide the origins of humans'. I'm sorry but what-the-#-am-I-reading. Humans are merely animals that were given the chance of spiritual growth years back when and are continuing to grow and grow. Humanity's just not going to be sunshine and roses with the snap of fingers. There's billions of people here all with free thought and free will. I'd say the 'leaders' are doing a pretty good job so far as to raise humanity up to something more then it is.

Maybe I'm wrong and they're actually evil (although I just consider them teachers of sorts as evil is human's personification of learning.) and they're really blood sucking reptilians that are so entwined in the path of lust that they just pervert everything. It just seems like ones who got to entwined in trying to become something more then human and coming to that conclusion.

Yes I believe in something a lot more then we are, but I don't believe we're to actually understand it just yet while in this shell. I believe we're here just to either learn to keep in habit of earthly desires (animalistic) and continue on with the same thing, sleeping, sex, work, etc. or look to something greater then this planet, at the infinite universe and reach for the stars to meet our star brothers and sisters.

But all that could also just be irony once I state I'm a Pleiadian starchild here to grow from experiences and face a big challenge of reconnecting with self just through this shell to give my fellow brothers and sisters some incentive. But for an objective to be to 'hide human origins' just seems utterly silly. It's trying to grasp at the straws that life is and make it much more complicated then it is. Human's specialty. And since that same objective is Human's specialty, I'd have to say it were thought up by one.

Originally posted by JoshNorton

To what extent has selective breeding been used to preserve the purity of the line?

It is interesting that you use the term selective breeding.

Sometimes I wonder just how much intentional selective breeding (and not only within the confines of the supposed "13 Illuminati Bloodlines") played and plays a role in the affairs of the world.

Maybe not as much as I've speculated though.

Originally posted by Hidden_Hand
It is very important to us, that the Polarization of this planet is Negative at the time of the Great Harvest. That means Service to Self orientated, as opposed to Positive, Service to Others. We require a Negative Harvest, and you are doing a fine job of helping us to attain our goal. We are very grateful.

(Note: Submerged Mineral Kingdom = Klipoth = Black Lodge)

The Revolution of the Consciousness

"Only the truly revolutionary human being can enter the kingdom of white magic, the kingdom of esotericism, the magis regnum, regnum Dei. Jesus said it:

"The kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force." – Matthew 11:12

"What is normal, what is natural, is that the race of intellectual animals falsely call human falls into the abyss in order to be devoured by Ammut, the devourer of the dead, whose crocodile jaws prefigured all the mouths of Hell of the Middle Ages. This abominable monster, a symbol of the mineral kingdom with its seven atomic, submerged regions, who is partly reptile, partly lion, and partly hippopotamus, and emerges—according to the sayings of the Egyptians—from an ardent, fiery lake, is the devourer of hearts, the devourer of the unvindicated ones, and who—for the Egyptians—symbolized a kind of terrible cosmic vulture, whose function was to consume the remainders or despoliation of humanity.

"Therefore, it is not rare for somebody to enter the mineral kingdom; that is normal, given that the mineral kingdom needs that one for its psychic nourishment.

"What is rare indeed is for somebody to enter the kingdom of high magic, because into this kingdom only the revolutionaries of the consciousness enter, ardent, like the fire." - Samael Aun Weor

See also:

Re: The White Lodge?

Ok. Language which he understands. Did you know that the most important individual strains are now here and not there (with you)? Are they looking for? Do you know what happened and why now doing this, namely that there has been penetrating the subconscious into consciousness and that the events are not so convenient for you to play?

I wish H_H comes back and answers some more questions as now we really are approaching IMO the end times. I hope "The Family" will allow him/her to do the same one more time, before the "Harvest" begins. I think and everyone probably would agree with me that we feel the acceleration in “the air”. I do not think H_H is some kind of a Hoax, as I’ve came very close to the same conclusion of what the truth may be long time before I read this thread. One of the things I’ve always been curious to find out is why the Illuminati don’t worship Christ but… Lucifer!? Well, now I know! Well, what do you ATS members think? Should we somehow do something and ask H_H to come back and illuminate us little further? May be we should start sending him/her PMs to come back!? Opinions?

Questions I wish I'd been around to ask:

1. If the 51% service to others vs. the 95% service to self ratio is accurate, it stands to reason that creating the conditions for a positive harvest would have been more easily achieved than wreaking centuries worth of wholesale awfulness. I also see no conflict with the Free Will thing, as the potential for negative action, and therefore, the choice, would still be present. Therefore, why did you guys opt to create a negative harvest?

2. You referred to 9/11 having been a human sacrifice? To what?

3. Have you enlisted the aid of negative-polarized entities in order to foster the conditions for this harvest? If so, what was offered in exchange for that aid?

Alas, my questions shall go unanswered.

Wow what an epic thread!

I'm not sure whether it was genuine or not but anyhow I'm inclined to take some of it as truth. The parts about the One infinite Creator and the fact that life is just a game coincides with my beliefs prior to reading this thread.

Wish Hidden_hand would come back, I have so many question.

ALS

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If you dont mind me asking....what observations have you made in 'life' to think its just a game, as if its something that does not matter, have purpose, ect?

Everything we see in nature, has some sort of purpose in the 'whole' of things. A 'game' seems to be for pleasure, killing time, entertainment...and I have trouble understanding why others call 'life' or existence a 'game'.

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