Window of Opportunity

Your posts are intriguing, and your willingness to have this discussion evokes my response.

I can say with a broad mind that I empathize with your situation, as I would the situation of any being. I understand that positive and negative elements have always co-existed since our universe's creation, not only within the Three Realms, but in even greater spans of time-space. For, as I understand, without both positive and negative factors, life itself would seem dull and uneventful. The things people do would be easily accomplished and would bring them no sense of satisfaction. Within the Three Realms, and in the Human World in particular, beings also commit sins (i.e., generate karma) in the course of living their lives. The tribulations and sufferings man encounters in turn are indeed created by himself, notwithstanding the fact that the Human World was designed to be a Sphere of Turmoil. Large-scale events such as wars, famines, plagues, a change in the economic climate, etc. are indeed beyond the decree of ordinary individuals, and these enable man to repay sins (karma) and expand his thinking beyond the superficial and illusory. The process of transmigrating within the Three Realms also reflects the balancing of positive and negative factors, and the entirety of a being's history reflects the culmination of that being's choices, his thoughts and complex karmic relationships. Therefore, I would not disagree with your Family's espoused role of Catalyst. Indeed, you have been following History's arrangement and helping to guide it.

I have understanding toward high-level beings who have descended to participate in history's affairs and who have furthermore agreed to perform the role of Antithesis. The journey that the 'demon' Lucifer has traveled has indeed been difficult. Those who have agreed to perform certain roles throughout the course of history's play have likewise made sacrifices and endured many things, and the sincerity of these efforts should be acknowledged and cherished. As for your description of the relationship between Lucifer and Yahweh, this deviates from my understanding, although I have not looked into this issue much. My understanding was that Yahweh created Lucifer, and, while Lucifer's Rebellion and Fall may well have been arranged to serve the development of Earth and the Underworld and begin to establish a standard for negative factors at the levels within the Three Realms (factors such as deceitfulness as opposed to honesty, callousness and hatred as opposed to benevolence, and selfish greed as opposed to immense tolerance), Lucifer would still bear responsibility for the sin of rebelling against Heaven's Law. Nor could such a being be placed in a pure environment free from the deceitfulness, hatred and selfishness that such a being embodied. To put it another way, in view of History's Arrangement, the Fall of Lucifer may well have been a "necessary evil," but this alone does not remove responsibility or consequences for such evil. At the conclusion of these events, this evil and the composition of the beings involved still must be dealt with, even if they can be met with a benevolent resolution. Only then would they be able to enter the future. That is to say, at a certain point in time, if you still harbor resentment, hatred, deceitfulness, callousness, etc. you will need to relinquish these things, as they are substances that are being disposed of. Having fallen, Lucifer alone could not assure even his own survival, let alone the lives of those he was responsible for, and a benevolent resolution from a Higher Being would be needed to restore him.


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Thus, I would also suggest to you through this forum, that your Family is not beyond the current process of cosmic change ("Harvesting"), which has implications beyond what you are portraying. Nor does the original arrangement that your Family was charged to carry out inherently discharge you from responsibility to your own fate. I am not accusing you of suggesting this--clearly you acknowledge karmic responsibility for your actions--yet I sense you may be underestimating the nature of the test that you yourself face. At progressive levels of creation the beings at any level do not have knowledge of beings or truths at levels higher than their own. For any being within the Three Realms, his ultimate knowledge is bound to be limited, and a being within the Three Realms really is not able to fully grasp the True Meaning of what is taking place now. If you take a look, you will see that many cosmic structures and Celestial Bodies have undergone dramatic changes that were not anticipated. Arrangements made for the course of History have also undergone changes. The Milky Way itself has been distanced from the rest of the known universe. Surely, your Family has detected this. If you cling stubbornly to past arrangements, it may put your Family in a difficult situation. Given the role you are playing, at a certain point, you may be well served to put down your script and simply abstain from further course of action. You may not believe these words I am telling you, but I will share these words with you just the same.

In addition, all beings and all living environments throughout the long course of History were infused with a trait whereby they undergo a process of formation, stasis, degeneration and destruction. At the present stage, all things and all beings have undergone this process of degeneration, which is to say that nothing is as pure as it once was. This factor causes beings to deteriorate separate from your intentional efforts to amplify 'negative polarity.' Yet, as all beings have degenerated, they cannot detect this themselves. This process would have affected you as well, and in light of this, you would be well served to look upon your own intentions and discern whether they originate in purity, lest you deceive even yourself.


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Originally posted by ogbert
what's glaring out at if if you were to follow this ideology is the percentages.
ok. we are going to be judged by our services to self or others. if we are 51% STO then we make it though an eon of reincarnations to the "other side" -where we will meet a piece of everyone else, BTW.

on the other hand if we are 51% service to self, then we get the 4th dimension negative.

Ehm, no it's not like that exactly. (as he said it) 51% will give passage to 4th positive, 95% negative will give passage to 4th negative and everything in between will go on in 3th (somewhere else)

oh.
pardon my oversight/confusion. read this stuff too fast sometimes.
thanks for the correction.

the ideology gives hope. kinda like when a nasty room mate says he's movin out! ha!

Originally posted by Helioflorae
reply to post by reconpilot

 

1. Read at least most of H_H's posts before posting something like this. S/he explains himself/herself quite well.

2. *Despite* anything that was ever said on this thread, any thread or anywhere else, why do you think souls can be "crushed" or "destroyed" in the first place?

Souls can be caged ,they can be trapped ,they can be abused .

What happens if you take an innocent child and leave her with a sadistic paedophile ? can you tell me thats justified because its a game ?

are you really going to embrace this sicko HH ?

perhaps you like the idea of raping innocent children ?

You people need to see this cynical evil HH for what he really is .

The dark side always hides behind a mask of light and they always try to justify evil by saying "you chose this" so they can evade responsibility for their sadistic actions .

you sign their contract when you submit ,when you bow to their agenda .

Your soul has an electrogravitic signature ,its an energy source .It can be harvested .What part of harvest dont you understand ?

Originally posted by MITCHEL
Puerile

Oh boy. Another condescending “authority” pretending to be a “helpful friend”.

Is there such a thing as a non-condescending authority?

Being submissive to a “creator” means you are a ‘subject’, and your claim of being dominant is a farce.

There is nothing more hateful than those telling lies and then asserting authority based upon their lies.

Foregone madness is on parade again

Treachery and hollow substance.

Absolutely .

You know , i would not be surprised to find this 'hidden hand' is Michael Ledwith ,the self appointed ambassador of the Ramtha school of enlightenement. Or impoverishment if you stay around long enough.

He was kicked out of a catholic seminary for innapropriate behaviour.

maybe he 's gone back to ROME so he can get some in with his paedophile priest buddies .


No ,the only reason he hides his hand is because he has no aces left to play . He's panicking just like the rest of his family .because people are waking up and not buying in to this 'the end justifies the means ' BS.

Originally posted by reconpilot
Souls can be caged ,they can be trapped ,they can be abused .

What happens if you take an innocent child and leave her with a sadistic paedophile ? can you tell me thats justified because its a game ?

are you really going to embrace this sicko HH ?

perhaps you like the idea of raping innocent children ?

You people need to see this cynical evil HH for what he really is .

The dark side always hides behind a mask of light and they always try to justify evil by saying "you chose this" so they can evade responsibility for their sadistic actions .

you sign their contract when you submit ,when you bow to their agenda .

Your soul has an electrogravitic signature ,its an energy source .It can be harvested .What part of harvest dont you understand ?

reconpilot,

I would like to know more about the issues you have brought up here. Can you direct me to the literature or a website? Thanks.

Ya know.............reconpilot may sound out there, but I think Hidden_Hand's initial post was pretty out there too. I'm not dissing either. What I AM saying, is that if you're willing to give credence to Hidden_Hand, why is reconpilot so out there?

Equal time, I say. Give recon a bit of time to make his case. I'm not saying he's right, but I AM saying............EQUAL TIME.

I personally believe recon is who he says he is. I'm not asking for followers. I'm asking for tolerance.

We are all anonymous posters. Who are we to judge who is true and who is false?

Take all the info you can get.

While delving deeper into this subject I found an interesting link, while I don't agree with all off it I found some information that does tie in , or may be flush out some of what the OP was speaking of.

illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com...

For this reason humanity spends its physical life trying to reconnect to the awareness lost. We want to return to our original knowing state, but seem always to lose our way. We continue to lose our way until we become conscious that lucifer deliberately aims to destroy us. We become aware that this luciferian thought form is the creator. Everything has been created to trick, manipulate and destroy humanity.

This does speak about the OP's families mission.

TextWhen luciferian thought is applied the whole black light becomes divided separating male and female. In other words, we become separate from awareness. The original male/female oneness does not manifest in energy atoms. The original male/female knowing had no physical form or no physical atom energy. We were purely awareness. However, the luciferian mind conjured the human form and the human psyche

Note the the text I am quoting within the link makes a good case for the All Seeing I as being the Pupil.


Edit to correct that last sentence, the link has some intrpretation about the pupil as the "eye" if you read some of it.



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Heres my view. If you believe the Bible, which I do, wouldnt it make since for Lucifer to attempt to make excuses for the evil the he unleashes on this earth? And to claim that he is the true creator.

Revelations says that many will be deceived

If you believed all that OP said. Then it could be possible, in the end, that you could be standing next to Horrors being inflicted on a fellow human being, by the OP's group, and still accept the OPs creator as your own?

Sounds like deceit to me

reply to post by Aislin


I am a source myself because my family has opposed HH and his families operation from the very beggining . I can only appeal to your reasoning faculties .

Two wrongs dont make a right , its not rocket science , morality .

If you live in WA you will have heard plenty about the ramsters .All this Guff HH has been spewing out is straight from the files of Ramtha's 'ancient wisdom'.

It brainwashing really . yelms proximity to fort lewis should tell you the CIA is in on this sleazy operation. And trust me ,its sleazy .

Stay clear of this rubbish .As seductive and 'reasonable' as it sounds you have to understand that the truth he does tell is heavily spun and by his own admission ,circumscribed by his masters .

yahweh goes by many names in history . Enki ,enlil,jehovah,xerxes, Ea and so on . Its the same power hungry sadistic butcher though .

but he knows his time is running out . We have him cornered now ,he cant escape and he is getting desperate to find an exit . he knows the punishment for destroying souls is the forfeit of his own .

When the keen edge of this black blade strikes his throat there will be no mother to intervene this time.

did he not tell you about that sword HH ? no ,he would not . Its the blade he used to slay my family . Now we will return the favour .

but then there's a lot HH's 'family' does not tell him .

reply to post by reconpilot


Hidden Hand Wait!!!!!!

YOU DIDN'T TELL US WHAT CAR YOU DRIVE!!!!

Thanks to all for a great thread. Thanks to Hidden Hand for answering my questions. ReconPilot: Your responses are interesting. I opened up a thread for people to ask questions of you. See you there if you have time.

You know what, people...I'm starting to think that his message reads differently to different people. All communication does, that's a given. But when some of you read something entirely absent to others, either for or against H_H's message, it makes me think that his words really do have some sort of magic behind them.

I have never subscribed to any religion. I have never succumbed to any societal brainwashing. But four years ago began a very confusing period of my life. It was very painful physically and emotionally. It was my awakening.

His mention of the "zero-point time" rang bells for me. I had one myself nearly four years ago. That's long before I knew of any of this. Shortly thereafter I went to a psychic because I very much needed some answers. The session itself was exceedingly enlightening but at the end, she said something I found to be rather cryptic. I brushed it off then because we weren't using her native tongue but over time it has become more cryptic, particularly because her parting words never came to pass. Now I think I understand. What she said was "We'll see each other again at the end of summer." I have tried to call her, to sms her, to arrange meeting through people with her. There's never a connection. H_H said there are no coincidences. He's right.

She told me some things that I read in H_H's reply to me. I doubt any of you see what I see there. My son knows too that this person is authentic because of those words. He couldn't have known to say what he did not knowing me at all - unless his message was personal. This confirms other things the psychic said as well.

The journey I've had over the past four years convinces me that when you know something to be true in your heart, it invariably is absolutely true. Each of us has our own Absolute Truth.

Frankly, I see no benefit in any use in people commenting on what the bible says about Lucifer. That's as much good reading a history book written by the winner of whichever given war. It doesn't in any way resemble the truth. Earth's sacred texts all contain distortions of the truth, as H_H said. Many prophets and psychics say the same. Maybe it's time to rediscover your heart finally instead of spouting the same dogma we've heard throughout the ages. Give it a rest. It's time for the truth.

reply to post by CosmicEgg


Dear Cosmic Egg

When I read the opening of your last post, I immediately thought of the bible. There is no magic here, but there IS some very well written thought provoking content to his posts. But maybe it IS magic for you. It's all about perspective.

I'm starting to think that his message reads differently to different people. All communication does, that's a given. But when some of you read something entirely absent to others, either for or against H_H's message, it makes me think that his words really do have some sort of magic behind them.

As for psychics, well, I work with one on a daily basis. She doesn't make her living as a psychic, so we're working in the mundane world. She has a circle of friends who are all psychic and they talk to each other on a daily basis. What I have come to realize is that it's all very hit and miss. Sometimes they're right on the money, other times, not even close. I could give you dozens of examples of both, but for the sake of brevity, suffice it to say it's a crap shoot. Don't take them too seriously. If you get some good stuff in a reading, GREAT! Don't puzzle your puzzler over.. "We'll see each other again at the end of summer." Likely as not, it was a bid for future work for her. But maybe she's talking about the great cycle of things. After all, the Harvest DOES come at the end of the summer.

The journey I've had over the past four years convinces me that when you know something to be true in your heart, it invariably is absolutely true. Each of us has our own Absolute Truth.

And that is absolutely true.....until something comes along and changes it. But you are right, look to your own heart for truth and nowhere else. Take what fits and leave the rest behind.

Maybe it's time to rediscover your heart finally instead of spouting the same dogma we've heard throughout the ages. Give it a rest. It's time for the truth.

And wasn't that ultimately Hidden Hand's core message?

No worries......it's all good.

reply to post by reconpilot


Yes, souls can be abused, as you say, but not permanently destroyed as I understood you were saying. Pardon for my misunderstanding.

But I have to say you seem to be pulling stuff out of your, erm, "magic hat", since no one ever mentioned things such as child abuse, molesting or anything else being justified by this. Yes they are terrible things that no one should ever go through, but maybe they're essential for the growth of that individual soul - or souls, if you include the abuser and anyone else involved.

You seem to be awfully quick to judge, reconpilot, though I understand why you would think like this. But please, before you post anymore messages calling others by these names or condemning them as sympathizers of these deeds, understand that not everything is black and white. There are lessons to be learned that surpass the limits of a single lifetime.

And *please* for the love of Pete understand that no one's embracing H_H or "signing a contract". It's the message that rings true to many of us because it's how we've felt anyway. So instead of being "converted" by H_H we were, instead, reminded or had our beliefs confirmed. For me, the latter was the case.

As far as H_H goes as an individual, I highly doubt (m)any of us see him as a "prophet" or "saviour" of any sort or "embrace" him. In fact, I really hope no one does, so at least we agree on something Even though I myself am convinced of his authenticity, which I already explained in a previous post, it wouldn't matter much anyway because it's the message that counted. However I'm tired of saying this over and over, so I won't Clearly it's of no significance.

And as far as the "dark side" goes, I don't believe in it. You might as well talk about the Boogeyman who hides under my bed.

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Re: Winter in Malta

Trying to connect some dots....

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Perhaps H_H is trying to tell us who he is. : ) Cindy

reply to post by ThatDGgirl


Just wondering when you'll begin your awakening so you have an idea what I'm talking about. Your post wasn't particularly ... well, anything. Shall we say that it was "luke-warm" and leave it at that.

Specifically what I was pointing to with the "end of summer" bit was that it was directly in reference to the Harvest (which I, until now, knew nothing about). She was *not* baiting me for further business. I said that I haven't been able reconnect with her. Not in four years.

I move in a group of psychics/shamans/healers/witches but not everyone can do/see everything all the time. Name any walk of life where anyone can. Psychics are no different. We're still bound to a great extent by three dimensions and our own experiences herein.

I apologize if this seems a bit hostile but your comments seem to be purely to "hear the sound of your own voice".

All of what he said is just a mixture of different philosophies, that's it. The whole theory of incarnations and rebirth and karma are all taken from Hindu scriptures and mixed with names, etc., that are used in with western religions, like yahweh etc.,

If you read the the ancient Hindu text "Geeta" you will see that his whole theory is based on that book. I bet none of what he has predicted will come true. We, shall know in a few months time if there is a new currency like he says, or if those couple of cities he mentions, will really be inhabitable.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
All of what he said is just a mixture of different philosophies, that's it. The whole theory of incarnations and rebirth and karma are all taken from Hindu scriptures and mixed with names, etc., that are used in with western religions, like yahweh etc.,

yeah there is something for everybody here.

Damascus was an interesting choice. i think in one of the christian conspiracy theories Damascus becomes like a sea of glass, where no man will be able to walk for 1,000 years, this being one of the unfulfilled prophesies.

Christ spoke much about the harvest. ie. the parable of the tares or as HH put it for lack of a better metaphor, separating the wheat from the chaff.